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I've always heard, you can't choose if you go bald, but you can choose when you go bald. Just shave your head if you don't like going bald. It seems to me like
by jeffreyrogers 8y ago
I've always heard, you can't choose if you go bald, but you can choose when you go bald. Just shave your head if you don't like going bald. It seems to me like the people going bald are the ones who care about it. I don't think it affects how others think of you much at all.
Propecia is apparently effective but the sexual side effects seem to make it not worth it.
- fossuser 8y agoShaved head is the best option, but going bald definitely negatively affects your attractiveness and makes it harder to get dates - especially when younger.
- gadders 8y agoI think attractiveness is like creating a D&D character. You have a low score for "hair" - to compensate max out on sense of humour or abs or something.
- toasterlovin 8y agoFWIW, all of the things you mentioned are probably highly determined by genetics.
- naasking 8y agoYou think abs/a good physique and humour aren't skills you can develop?
- toasterlovin 8y agoYeah, pretty much. The person I responded to didn't mention physique, which can be influenced by lifting weights. Diet works to a certain degree (ie, you can avoid most of the really bad stuff and you will see improvements, but you probably won't end up as a fitness model). I think there's a good chance that the ability to stick to a diet is highly influenced by genetics, as evidenced by the fact that dieting is a notoriously poor long-term intervention, even though it is incredibly simple in concept. The person I responded to specifically mentioned abs. Having visible abs requires an incredibly low level of body fat, which is not achievable my most people unless they take performance enhancing drugs of some kind. But, you know, the people selling programs and methods for achieving abs have a vested interest in this not being widely known. As for sense of humor. I dunno. I guess you're probably funnier when you're in a specific state of mind (at ease, not stressed out, etc.). And I guess you can memorize some jokes and gags. But in my personal experience, funny people all tend to be funny in unique ways. As in, there's no way they learned their particular brand of humor from somebody else.
- naasking 8y ago> I think there's a good chance that the ability to stick to a diet is highly influenced by genetics, as evidenced by the fact that dieting is a notoriously poor long-term intervention, even though it is incredibly simple in concept. This conclusion is based on data with very poor controls. The success of dieting depends entirely on its macro and micronutrient composition. Dieting also has poor long-term success because people see it as a temporary measure, and not as a lifestyle change as they should, ie. this is how I should be eating from now on. It's no wonder they revert back to previous body composition with that mindset. Studies have also shown people vastly underestimate the number of calories they eat. There are numerous studies that demonstrate that people who stick to a fixed nutrition plan of X meals per day with decent portion sizes, and no snacking outside of meal times, easily maintain their weight long term. This doesn't require superhuman genetics or some kind of iron clad will power, your body compensates for small fluctuations above or below your caloric target. Which isn't to say there are no more mysteries in nutrition science, but the basics are well understood and simple to adhere to. Most people just don't want to. I was in that group a little over a year ago. > The person I responded to specifically mentioned abs. Having visible abs requires an incredibly low level of body fat, which is not achievable my most people unless they take performance enhancing drugs of some kind. Well that's completely false. Abs are visible at body fat levels as high as 15%, depending on the underlying musculature. At 10-12%, even that's no longer a factor. These body fat levels are readily achievable. 10-15% is also easily sustainable and not "incredible" by any stretch. You can get abs just with a good diet without any exercise at all in fact. Edit: go ahead and google image search "skinny abs" for plenty of pictures of skinny people with abs. You're telling me they're all on performance enhancing drugs? > But in my personal experience, funny people all tend to be funny in unique ways. Which they learned through life experience. Mimicking relatives and friends, seeing and retaining what they and others did that made people laugh. If you decide to one day change and become funny, these kinds of observations followed by trial and error are exactly how all the funny people you know became funny. Ask any comedian if their jokes just come naturally to them via genetic inspiration, or if they have to actually work at it. They'll tell you how many times they've bombed on stage.
- toasterlovin 8y ago
- loco5niner 8y agoAbs and sense of humor determined by genetics? Surely you jest.
- toasterlovin 8y agoGiven how desirable abs are and how few people have them, how is it plausible that they are merely the result of effort? Surely if all you had to do was follow X program for Y months, most men would have abs. But they don't. Similar situation for humor. Women consistently rate a sense of humor as one of the key things they are attracted to. Yet most men are not funny. Surely if all you had to do to be funny was follow X program for Y months, most men would be Dave Chappelle. But they're not. Probably because being funny is some kind of an indicator of intelligence that can't be developed or faked easily. And that's probably why women are attracted to it: it's a reliable, genuine indicator of genetic quality.
- newnewpdro 8y ago> Given how desirable abs are and how few people have them, how is it plausible that they are merely the result of effort? Surely if all you had to do was follow X program for Y months, most men would have abs. But they don't. As someone who has been fat in what feels like a different life, and today enjoys a developed athletic physique, I find your comment ridiculous. It sounds like the kind of self-delusion an overweight, unfunny person engages in to feel better about themselves while avoiding the challenge to be healthier, more attractive, or have a better personality. People are lazy, lack discipline, and are surrounded by poor choices, these are the dominant factors.
- toasterlovin 8y agoSorry, there are parallel threads going, so I'm going to abandon this one. That said, I misspoke slightly here and rather than rehashing everything, I'll point you to my response to naasking.
- loco5niner 8y ago> Surely if all you had to do was follow X program for Y months, most men would have abs. But they don't. Discipline, determination, motivation vs laziness? This is pretty true for success in anything. Eat less, exercise more -> better body. Spend less than you earn -> better financial stability. Etc. Certainly there are some who could never have abs. I doubt it's very many though.
- swat535 8y ago> all of the things you mentioned are probably highly determined by genetics - citation needed Please do explain to us how super genes are required for one to develop abs or a sense of humour. As someone who was seriously skinny and out of shape and managed to develop abs through consistent training and dieting, I disagree with this. Sure, it is easier to develop abs if you are already in a normal BMI and have your diet under control, but after reading all your comments on this threat, I haven't seen any concrete evidence that one can't achieve those unless they have some special genetics. Sounds more like an excuse one makes for himself to throw his hands up in the air and call it a day rather than actually implementing diligence and self-control.
- Taylor_OD 8y agoI decided to get ahead of my hair thinning by shaving my head last year. It's shut down online dating almost completely. But because I stand out a little more now it's actually been great for my work life. People don't forget the bald bearded guy.
- refurb 8y agoIt's shut down online dating almost completely. Hmmm... I shave my head and my experience with online dating is that it actually attracted women that love shaved heads.
- Taylor_OD 8y agoYes - I've seen some of that. But I'm 26. I don't know if there are as many people my age who love shaved heads as there are past 30 or so. (I'm assuming you are older than I am)
- macintux 8y agoInteresting. As a bald bearded guy they seem to be everywhere, so I've never thought of myself as standing out.
- Taylor_OD 8y agoI work in sales/recruiting and most the people in the industry are young, clean shaved, attractive folks so the bald bearded look stands out.
- ams6110 8y agoYour tagline on dating sites should be "I want to dip my bald head in oil and rub it all over your body" Seinfeld fans will recognize the quote.
- fian 8y agoI started shaving to a No 2 in university due to thinning hair. At the time I perceived a decrease in interest from women. 20+yras later, I shave with no comb (< No 1) about once a month. There is a definite increase in interest from women when my head is freshly shaved vs after a couple of weeks of regrowth. So I feel there is an attractiveness spectrum where full head of hair > none or almost no hair > partially bald / balding. Interestingly in winter I often wear a beanie and people take a much longer look when greeting me while I have it on. I am not sure if it is because it forces them to focus more on my facial features for recognition or maybe they are trying to work out what my hair might look like underneath. Regardless, losing hair and shaving my head did affect my attractiveness. Weirdly I think it also can be similar to the "grey-hair" effect where people attribute a sign of aging to greater experience and wisdom.
- purple-again 8y agoPeople that don't shave their head drastically underestimate how much work it is to maintain that image. Worse, when you slack off because life is stressing you out, its immediately obvious to everyone around you and the depression cycle goes into hyperdrive as you have to deal with constant comments and queries reminding you about both your baldness that is probably a significant source of stress and your current mental state.
- hfdgiutdryg 8y agoWork to maintain a shaved head? Get a cordless, adjustable beard trimmer. Buzz your head every day in the shower. No mess and it takes maybe 30 seconds. Regular people can't tell the difference between the shortest setting and shaved with a blade. I've been doing this for most of the last 20 years. If you insist on shaving with a blade, a Mach 3 should do the job in under a minute.
- macintux 8y ago> If you insist on shaving with a blade, a Mach 3 should do the job in under a minute. I'm confident I would cause myself injury if I tried to shave my head and face that fast. (Source: infrequently but predictably injuring myself while not paying attention.)
- ams6110 8y agoThe other advantage of that is that leaving a tiny bit of stubble rather than shaving razor-smooth will help prevent ingrown hairs.
- msamwald 8y agoThe one scientific text on the matter I found via a quick Google search suggests that a shaved head increases perception of dominance and confidence, but decreases attractiveness: http://opim.wharton.upenn.edu/DPlab/papers/publishedPapers/Mannes_2012_%20Shorn%20scalps%20and%20perceptions%20of%20male%20dominance.pdf http://opim.wharton.upenn.edu/DPlab/papers/publishedPapers/M... Oddly, but not surprisingly, the public press over-represented those findings as also suggesting that fully bald men are perceived as more attractive: https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/4469188/bald-men-perceived-more-attractive-confident-dominant-study/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/4469188/bald-men-perceived... Which is quite a common thing in this kind of discourse. People are quick to suggest that being bald is really okay and nobody should care, but give the same people 100 pictures of men and they will end up rating those with full hair more attractive than those with hair loss or baldness without further reflection. Startup idea: creating some kind of stylish, fluffy headgear that somehow replaces hair while still not trying to pose as fake hair / a toupee. This could be huge fashion market.
- weiming 8y agoThis also depends on someone's body type (are you overweight or fit?) and facial bone structure. Having a well-defined jawline and facial symmetry helps. There are people who look good bald (see: Dwayne Johnson), but it's not for everyone.
- beenBoutIT 8y agoA whole lot of guys end up losing all of their hair trying to get muscles like Dwayne Johnson.
- ViViDboarder 8y ago“Startup idea: creating some kind of stylish, fluffy headgear that somehow replaces hair while still not trying to pose as fake hair / a toupee. This could be huge fashion market.” Hats. You’re describing hats.
- amelius 8y ago
- gadders 8y agoI was reminded of an episode of Seinfeld where a guy with a full head of hair started shaving his head because it was cool. He eventually got fed up with shaving his head and decided to let it grow back, only to find he had gone bald for real in the meantime.
- mlevental 8y agoElaine's bf the swimmer. shaved his head to go faster and she pushed him to grow it back after seeing a photo of him with. he had started to go bald
- pound 8y agoIIRIC he shaved his head for faster swimming and grew it back when Elaine asked him after seeing his driver license photo with gorgeous hair. But yes, his transformation from pretty cool person into a slob and giving up on everything after realizing he is bolding was close to life experience of many :/ edit: I was sitting on this page for too long and missed that there is another reply already
- tibbon 8y agoI decided to shave my head a few times in my 20's just to see how it looked on me. It looks great, so I'm not worried about that fallback plan. Thankfully at 35, I have barely receding hair and a blue mohawk, so I'm probably ok for a while :)
- p0nce 8y ago> I don't think it affects how others think of you much at all. Unfortunately people care a good deal about that.
- adventured 8y agoThere's also a highly effective surgical alternative to everything mentioned in this thread: FUE hair follicle transplants. You can move roughly half the hair from the side of your head to the top without causing an overly thin look on the sides. It has been speculated that Elon Musk fixed his early balding with FUE. If you look at the side of his head today, you can see the thinning.
- to_bpr 8y agoI'm no expert on this, but I'm almost positive I've read that post-transplant one has to use finasteride (+ minoxidil iirc) to keep the transplanted hair safe from DHT removing it.
- Zelphyr 8y agoIf did this very thing after my hairline and bald spot became prominent and don’t regret it one bit. It’s easier, cheaper, and, given the fact that I can count on one hand the number of haircuts in my life I actually liked, looks better on me I think.
- zjaffee 8y agoI take propecia and I have experienced zero sexual side effects that are in anyway noticeable.
- dominotw 8y agodoesn't work if you have bumpy weird shaped head.
- krapp 8y agoI'm afraid that if I lose my hair I'll find out I have some weird crack or a third eye or something in there...
- matthiaswh 8y agoI thought that I had wavy hair Until I shaved. Instead, I find that I have straight hair And a very wavy head. - Shel Silverstein http://shelsilverstein.yolasite.com/wavy-hair.php http://shelsilverstein.yolasite.com/wavy-hair.php
- newnewpdro 8y agoThe most obvious impact is in the sexual selection department. There's no shortage of online dating profiles where women openly state they will only date tall men with a full head of hair.
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- godelmachine 8y agoWhat sexual side effects are you talking about? I was on Finasteride for 4 months. Never spotted any side effects!
- MrDam 8y agoI was on it for maybe 2 weeks. A few days in I noticed a sort of numbing of my weenie. Needless to say I stopped taking it shortly thereafter and things went back to normal. I don't want to know what would've happened had I continued for a long duration.
- godelmachine 8y agoI am not sure. I used to apply an external lotion Finasteride. Maybe I will straightaway refuse if a doc prescribes Finasteride pills to me.
- ams6110 8y agoViagra was originally developed as a treatment for baldness, but they pivoted when the test subject reported getting erections.
- jazoom 8y agoThat's just not true. 1989: British Pfizer scientists Peter Dunn and Albert Wood create a drug called sildenafil citrate that they believe will be useful in treating high blood pressure and angina, a chest pain associated with coronary heart disease.