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Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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grey-area 8y ago
The News, Stocks, Voice Memos and Home apps were brought to Mac using iOS frameworks that have been adapted to macOS. Starting in late 2019, these additional frameworks will make it easier for developers to bring their iOS apps to macOS — providing new opportunities for developers and creating more apps for Mac users to enjoy. Looks like UIKit is the future, despite protestations to the contrary.
- tabs_masterrace 8y ago
  This is a good thing. While very similar, UIKit blows AppKit away in terms of API usability and design. Also, I think it's perfectly fine to write macOS apps using UIKit, would be similar to making iPad apps. It needs a few Desktop/Mouse related adjustments but Apple is probably going to be smart about that. Definitely not gonna be like what happened with Windows Metro apps
  - grey-area 8y ago
    I agree, and frankly it’s been obvious since its inception that uikit is a better appkit written with the benefit of experience - more limited at present but suitable for all devices. They should have started this years ago and have a unified platform with tweaks for different UI. Bizarre doublespeak in the presentation though as they denied this was the plan - explicitly said no merger.
    - aeontech 8y ago
      It's not doublespeak, it's very clear refutation to those who fear macOS fading away and being replaced by a locked down, ARM-powered iOS laptops, Apple machines turning into alternate version of Chromebooks. The message reads to me as "we're bringing the good things from iOS over to macOS, rather than abandoning macOS and replacing it with iOS".
      - grey-area 8y ago
        They said: "Are you merging iOS and macOS?" "No." Then proceeded to detail the port of the iOS APIs to Mac and some apps just using those APIs. Time will tell, but I think a merge is exactly what they are planning long term, and it makes sense to do so (with some differences for user input and larger screens). It's crazy to develop very similar APIs for GUI apps in parallel, and what has become two different OSs with slightly different apps and feature sets, but a huge amount of overlap. The savings for Apple and developers of having a consistent set of new APIs and one set of apps to manage (for example their entire office suite) would be huge. The sheer pressure of money and users on the iOS side means that will be the dominant one, and UIKit will win. Re lockdown, that's more a political decision than a technical one, it could go either way, I suspect both platforms will become gradually more and more similar (they already are converging) and the future will be close to the one you fear, with at the very least some ARM powered locked down laptops (which I'd be very happy with).
        aeontech 8y ago
        > It's crazy to develop very similar APIs for GUI apps in parallel, and what has become two different OSs with slightly different apps and feature sets, but a huge amount of overlap. The savings for Apple and developers of having a consistent set of new APIs and one set of apps to manage (for example their entire office suite) would be huge. Right, and what the announcement seems to show is that UIKit could eventually grow to replace AppKit. Like you yourself say - "uikit is a better appkit written with the benefit of experience". That still doesn't imply the two OS would necessarily be merged - there's still a ton of things that make sense for macOS that are not needed in iOS, and vice versa - just for one thing, they have vastly different energy budgets. There's also a ton of overlap and shared code already, for pieces that it does make sense to share. So, I still think the answer is really targeted at people who fear that iOS (with all of its current limitations) will replace macOS, essentially, rather than being a misdirection as you seem to find it?
        grey-area 8y ago
        From a customer perspective, there may be two OSs - that's really a marketing question. From a developer perspective, I expect them to arrive at one API, with a few options to allow feedback from various sources (tap or click), and handling multiple screen sizes gracefully, and therefore pretty much one OS, so that you can build one app across devices - this is exactly what they are trying out with their ios app port. Once you do that, it doesn't make sense to have two APIs. I can't think of many features that would be exclusive - to take your example of energy budgets, saving energy on both is equally important now that laptops are a mainstay and desktops an afterthought. We may well see ARM laptops for this reason. Watches are the one exception that have a budget so tight at present that normal apps just aren't feasible. So I think a merge is exactly what is on the cards in the long term, particularly as they are now run by an operations person and the money flows in more and more from phones, not computers.
- nxc18 8y ago
  Hope significant are the differences between cocoa and uikit? I don't have any experience besides some light source browsing and it seemed the big difference is the NS to UI prefix change. Anyone care to summarize for the unenlightened?
  - Klonoar 8y ago
    The differences are more in implementation than anything else: - AppKit isn't layer-backed by default, requiring you to handle this. Something as simple as setting the background color for an NSView is far more of a ritual than it is for a UIView. - NSColor/NSImage under the hood are different than UIColor and UIImage. - NSTableView and NSCollectionView have big differences (NSCollectionView is more subtle, I should say) that rear their head when you start trying to do anything like you would on iOS. e.g, NSTableView doesn't automatically get an NSScrollView, grouped rows operate like headers but the underlying data structure isn't easy to share, collection view items are view controllers on macOS but not on iOS, etc. - Delegate methods are entirely different, requiring you to #if check everywhere. - Trying to use NSTextField like a UILabel is a trip, requiring you to understand an archaic NSCell architecture that you'll wish you didn't have to deal with in 2018. The list goes on, and most developers that share code between iOS and macOS have their own frankenstein framework floating around. UIKit on macOS would do a lot to alleviate this. Edited because, speaking of 2018... this should not be this annoying to format.
    - reificator 8y ago
      Similar to some markdown parsers, you need to have multiple newlines in the source in order for the presentation to have a newline. EDIT: Looks like you got there before I finished typing.
    - jonhendry18 8y ago
      "Something as simple as setting the background color for an NSView is far more of a ritual than it is for a UIView." Or you just use an NSBox as the rearmost subview of the NSView, and set its fill color.
forgotmypw 8y ago
Does anyone know where the hardware support is listed?
- donarb 8y ago
  From the press release: "macOS Mojave will be available this fall as a free software update for Macs introduced in mid-2012 or later, plus 2010 and 2012 Mac Pro models with recommended Metal-capable graphics cards." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/06/apple-introduces-macos-mojave/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/06/apple-introduces-maco...
- milhous 8y ago
  From the Press Release under "Availability" "macOS Mojave will be available this fall as a free software update for Macs introduced in mid-2012 or later, plus 2010 and 2012 Mac Pro models with recommended Metal-capable graphics cards." Looks like it's the end of the road for my 2010 Mac mini running High Sierra. So long as Photos and Photo Stream continue to work, I'm not complaining. It was a good run.
  - Clubber 8y ago
    Check ebay. I recently bought a 2013 Mac Pro off ebay for a good price. My 2009 Mac Pro was no longer supported. I figure the 2013s will probably have another 5 years after whatever new model they come out with next year.
    - Lio 8y ago
      I’m pretty sure there’s a way to upgrade the firmware on 2009 Mac Pro to keep it going. Can’t quite remember the details but I think it’s even possible to bring it up to 2012 spec which will be supported in Mojave.
      - Clubber 8y ago
        Ya, I couldn't get it to work and I have more money than patience. I also didn't buy one when they first came out, so I was happy with my 4 years of holding off for a good price. Besides, new (to me) hardware always motivates me to build products. I'm working on an Azure app on a Windows 10 VM inside a macOS. :) I need to get around to learning how to work on C# apps in macOS rather than Visual Studio, but I haven't quite gotten around to it yet. Either way, now I have a trashcan / hand warmer on my desk with a TB connected external drive cage with 2 mirror sets, and it makes me happy.
callumprentice 8y ago
Interesting note at the end about News, Stocks, Voice Memos in that they were "ported" from iOS versions with "some minor code changes". If that's the whole story, it would be pretty nice to be able to make apps that work on both platforms with only a few source differences.
- dangoor 8y ago
  They said they'd be releasing that tech to other developers next year, I believe
- conception 8y ago
  Basically an Electron for OSX is pretty neat.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    This isn’t Electron. It’s fully native with no web component intermediate.
  - kridsdale1 8y ago
    It’s more like Wine. Real native runtime libraries interacting an app API to a different underlying OS.
    - floatboth 8y ago
      The underlying OS is extremely similar (they're both Darwin and they share the Core * frameworks). And unlike Wine, they won't be running unmodified binaries.
      - __david__ 8y ago
        Well, it's closer to winelib [1], which is an integral part of Wine. [1] https://wiki.winehq.org/Winelib_User%27s_Guide#What_is_Winelib.3F https://wiki.winehq.org/Winelib_User%27s_Guide#What_is_Winel...
jumelles 8y ago
I'm continually amazed at how much Apple hypes up the most pointless, useless, basic things. This is a new version of a major operating system, and we get... the desktop organized by filetype. A built-in stock application. How is an App Store update considered part of an OS update?
- aldanor 8y ago
  I can't help shuddering everytime Craig presents (is forced to present? is paid to present?) the... omg... wait for it... the new set of animojis, on stage.
  - some_account 8y ago
    Yeah it's very cringe to watch. A grown man being exited about personal emois on a phone. Really?
    - IOT_Apprentice 8y ago
      Yet teens are a very popular demographic for buying iPhones, so if they like it, so what?
      - some_account 8y ago
        I'm a developer using the mac as a programming and devops system. I do not want teen features to be the best thing about my next upgrade. I want it to be about the computer feeling faster, smoother, better. You know, like an operating system feature?
        saagarjha 8y ago
        Why not have both?
        Lio 8y ago
        This. MacBook Pros are getting more and more expensive surely they’re already outside of the teen demographics purchasing power. It’s professionals and those that aspire to be professional who spend > £2,000 on a laptop. I want decent UI (including keyboard shortcuts I can touch type), more features and better performance more than I want fluff like voice commands or anything-moji. When thy said there another part of the platform they were ignoring I got excited for a moment. I thought they bringing out an Apple official version of homebrew. Nope iOS apps.
shmerl 8y ago
So, did they at last add support for Vulkan and OpenGL 4.6 in the system and Ogg/Opus in Safari?
- ihuman 8y ago
  OpenGL is deprecated in 10.14 > Apps built using OpenGL and OpenCL will continue to run in macOS 10.14, but these legacy technologies are deprecated in macOS 10.14. Games and graphics-intensive apps that use OpenGL should now adopt Metal. Similarly, apps that use OpenCL for computational tasks should now adopt Metal and Metal Performance Shaders.
  - shmerl 8y ago
    I guess it's time for some developers to deprecate macOS as legacy now too :)
    - ihuman 8y ago
      Or they could just use Metal 2, or Vulkan via MoltenVK Edit: There's also MoltenGL, so they could run OpenGL applications with Metal.
      - shmerl 8y ago
        I'm just being snarky about it. Sure, you can use MoltenVK to work around this for Vulkan, but Apple are lock-in jerks here not to support OpenGL to begin with and call it "legacy" when they don't offer Vulkan support either. MoltenGL isn't FOSS so projects like Wine can't use it for instance.
- chuckdries 8y ago
  nope, on the contrary they deprecated opengl entirely
- Gaelan 8y ago
  I mean, Metal + MoltenVK is pretty close
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empath75 8y ago
So basically porting a few ios apps that hardly anyone even uses counts as a major OS release?
- briandear 8y ago
  "Hardly anyone uses" ?? Any data to support that complete falsehood?
janlukacs 8y ago
WWDC 2018, from underwhelming to boring. I will lose my mind if i hear *oji one more time. Will they ever stop with this nonsense? Favicons in Safari? It took them 6 years for the browser to remember the zoom setting per site, now we have the luxury of having favicons.
- ihuman 8y ago
  Bitmoji and Animoji were already popular, so it makes sense for Apple to combine the two (and sherlock Bitmoji).
  - madeofpalk 8y ago
    > and sherlock Bitmoji Considering Animoji and Memoji are only in Apple's Messaging app/iMessage, I think Bitmoji will be fine as long as Snapchat is fine (which, well, isn't certain).
- erichurkman 8y ago
  I wonder if they'll ever fix `localStorage` in private Safari windows. It breaks countless sites and Safari is the only browser to block it.
  - janlukacs 8y ago
    I love Safari, it's my main browser - but there are so many small annoying things that take ages to fix it's just sad.
  - madeofpalk 8y ago
    Any site that is broken by Private Browsing causing storage quota exceptions in localStorage is going to be broken by quota exceptions under "normal" operation. It's in the spec, maybe developers should make their websites a bit more resilient to the very real errors that can happen? Did they just forget about error handling?
    - rasz 8y ago
saudioger 8y ago
So how far are away from the macOS iOS merge? A Stocks app as an OS-level feature feels pretty darn close.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  They explicitly answered this exact question with a resounding “No.”
  - saudioger 8y ago
    Which means they aren't doing it now, not that they aren't doing it ever. Apple publicly derided phones with large screens for years and then released their own.
- jonhendry18 8y ago
  "A Stocks app as an OS-level feature feels pretty darn close." A Stocks app is trivial. There's been a Stocks Dashboard widget type thing for years and years. Merging the OSes would mean revamping the macOS UI to be usable with touch screens, removing or drastically changing file access, etc.
  - saudioger 8y ago
    They depreciated Open GL and built Metal 2 for macOS, differentiating touch and mouse input screens from each other and file access are trivial by comparison. It's not like iOS doesn't have a file system, they just don't allow you to access it.
matt_s 8y ago
MacOS will not be replaced by iOS, but they will bring UIKit to MacOS so you can port apps. That sounds like they are unifying the two OS's to me, or I am mis-remembering the question Tim Cook answered with a definitive No?
- saudioger 8y ago
  More like: No...t yet
  - jaxondu 8y ago
    On stage Craig answers the question “will macOS and iOS merge” with a big NO, at least for as long as the guy is still with Apple.
    - saudioger 8y ago
      >at least for as long as the guy is still with Apple. This is nothing new. They've said things on stage that they've literally reversed on a year later.
      - orbitur 8y ago
        Aside from Steve Jobs surprising the Facetime team with his open source announcement (and honestly, any Steve Jobs claims in general), what are you referring to?
        saudioger 8y ago
        Large phones was one. They specifically bashed the competition the year before saying that they weren't ergonomic.
- threeseed 8y ago
  No it sounds like exactly what they said. You will be able to use UIKit to help port your apps across. But they aren't going to be merging all of the other parts of the OS together. Especially since iOS and OSX differ significantly in parts e.g. security posture.
colonelpopcorn 8y ago
The name is unfortunately shared with the ill-fated marketing campaign from Microsoft to tell people Vista wasn't a hot pile of garbage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihorvo2tEuA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihorvo2tEuA
- ghostly_s 8y ago
  I'm sure that's fresh in the mind of many Mac users.
- r00fus 8y ago
  Yeah, Apple has "reinvigorated" old terminology many many times. It goes along with the "Places in CA" theme Cook introduced, and, honestly, honeybadger don't give a shit.
Elect2 8y ago
Still no window border. I often clicked wrong window when multiple windows stacked together.
- apearson 8y ago
  I really hope they don't add window borders. I enjoy not having unusable areas.
- thiagocsf 8y ago
  I’m a Mac user who used Linux for years and windows before that. I don’t miss the borders anymore. Try to use the keyboard shortcuts to switch windows. Even if you always have a hand on the mouse/pad, your other hand can still be your keyboard commander. If you’re convinced to keep using clicks to switch windows, look up the gesture to zoom out so you can see the whole windows and the click.
fermienrico 8y ago
Apple did not mention AMD or nVidia in their eGPU support announcement. With ML/DL, Rendering (Redshift is nVidia exclusive) and Gaming; Apple needs to throw the towel and work with nVidia to make a solid native driver for the mac.
- asniper 8y ago
  WWDC is typically software, not hardware related.
0x0 8y ago
Wow, they are DEPRECATING OpenGL from both macOS and iOS: https://developer.apple.com/macos/whats-new/ https://developer.apple.com/macos/whats-new/ This is in addition to last year's announcement that "macOS High Sierra is the last version of macOS to run 32bit apps without compromise" I wonder if we will soon see a new lineage of Macbooks fitted with Apple-specific arm64 chips. The most scary thought is if UIKit-on-macOS starts requiring Developer ID entitlements and need to be installed via the app store, with fairplay DRM encryption of binaries and everything. Edit: Also, r.i.p. my old macbook air 2011 :-/
- galad87 8y ago
  The writing was on the wall since they stopped updating it (OpenGL) 5 years ago.
  - 0x0 8y ago
    True, but it'd be a shame to lose out on the library of legacy software and games. Edit: and XQuartz (X11) with OpenGL comes in handy once in a while too...
    - numbsafari 8y ago
      I mean... it looks like there's at least one commercial option for OpenGL on Metal (MoltenGL). Also, it seems to me that the better option in the long run for legacy game support is to just run a VM for the highest degree of compatibility.
      - ryandrake 8y ago
        Yep, I bet the MoltenGL guys are throwing a major party right now. I wonder what kind of effort it would be to hook up Mesa to a Metal backend...?
        stuaxo 8y ago
        Years. EDIT: As a follower of https://mesamatrix.net/ https://mesamatrix.net/ I don't think it would be unreasonable to say about 3 years to get something that kind of works, five for something semi reasonable, and 8 for something at modern open gl level.
nolite 8y ago
Really now..? We're innovating with color schemes?
- falcon620 8y ago
  I pulled that move once in an old product - not all of our users could upgrade to the newer product because of HW constraints - the one we had directed like 97% of our development efforts at, but that tiny thing kept them happy for quite some time. (We went with four color themes though, not just two.) I recommend this move if you want to make an abandoned product line seem like it's at least a little bit alive.
- MitjaBezensek 8y ago
  Sad thing is that that was one of the most exciting things :)
- foobarbazetc 8y ago
  But dark mode is the best thing announced...
Analemma_ 8y ago
"We know you're all very upset about our new keyboards that break and require a $700 repair if they get a grain of sand in them, so today we're announcing that the new OS is named after a desert. We're Apple! We hate you, and you're going to keep buying it regardless."
derekjobst 8y ago
Didn't Microsoft have an OS project called Mojave? http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2008/08/wandering_through_the_desert_with_windows.html http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2008/08/...
52-6F-62 8y ago
From a publishing industry standpoint, Apple News desktop is pretty big. Especially if that means Apple News is coming to other countries (including, more specifically, Canada). And especially since they bought Texture. There's likely more to come on that front.
- naravara 8y ago
  The lack of a desktop client is the main reason I don't use Apple News. If I were Feedly or any other RSS reader I'd be scared right now. Granted, what Apple News could really benefit from would be an option to log in and read from my sources through a web browser. It would be nice if I could check up on things from, for instance, a public library.
  - 52-6F-62 8y ago
    Absolutely. A unified subscription model would be a boon to readers. It's proven complicated to implement due to no standard among publishers for handling subscriptions. Outside of the more innovative companies, it seems a bit ad hoc as new technologies rise, appreciate into maturity, settle into mediocrity (where they are adopted), and fall (while they're increasingly difficult to maintain until the next third state). I think you're onto it, though. And the more effort publishers put into the content, I think the better they'd do. Unfortunately many decisions on the digital front have so far been decided by marketing or operations along the old anti-Ford model: "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses."— they aren't so keen on improving experience, they just want faster horses.
    - naravara 8y ago
      I'm not sure we even need something that elaborate honestly. I was imagining just a straight up RSS reader. It doesn't seem like we need to invent anything new here, just make a version of RSS that can natively serve rich multimedia content and be gated behind a subscription.
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bwang29 8y ago
I feel the system wide dark mode is the next step from Night Shift mode to acknowledge or encourage people to work more toward late night/evenings. Eye fatigue has been one of the reason my body reminds me to go to sleep, now I can maybe deal with some more emails before I head to bed.
- jacobush 8y ago
  Yay?
- grzm 8y ago
  Night Shift (and perhaps Dark Mode as well) work to decrease the amount of light towards the blue end of the spectrum as in the evening to mimic the natural spectrum shift and help people sleep, rather than mimic bright mid-day light. It's not to reduce eye fatigue and get people to work more: it's to help them relax and sleep better at night. Here's an article that discusses it in a bit more depth. http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-night-shift-blue-light-affects-your-brain-and-body-2016-4 http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-night-shift-blue-light...
  - eightchen 8y ago
    No ones forcing you to use it.
    - staplers 8y ago
      No one is forcing you to breathe, and yet you do it anyways
  - jodrellblank 8y ago
    There is a growing body of evidence that cumulative lifetime exposure to blue wavelength light increases the risk of AMD. (Age-related Macular Degeneration, which can lead to blindness). http://macularhope.org/the-macular-degeneration-epidemic/ http://macularhope.org/the-macular-degeneration-epidemic/
- aavotins 8y ago
logiclabs 8y ago
OMG!!! But Dark mode!!! It's like, so, so cool ... I can't believe I can be allowed to change the colours of the desktop after years of Jony Ive dictating/advising what my desktop should look like.
- tomsmeding 8y ago
  This has existed for a while already, I believe at least since Yosemite. EDIT: Sorry, I didn't even read TFA. Wonder what they're talking about then.
  - logiclabs 8y ago
    Yes, they spent about 5 minutes hyping it up to mucho mucho applause by the crowd. I was baffled!
  - cosmotron 8y ago
    The main difference is that, while you have already been able to change the menu bar and dock to a dark color scheme, the update coming in Mojave allows the window chrome to be dark too (note Finder being dark in the article).
LaSombra 8y ago
The Finder photo mode reminds me of KDE 3 or even Windows Vista. How can you hype something so old?
oliv__ 8y ago
But... where are the new macs?
- ghostly_s 8y ago
  This is WWDC. They don't typically announce new hardware there in recent years.
  - justindocanto 8y ago
    Not so sure about this. WWDC 2017 (last year) had all of these announcements: - New iMac Pro - New iPad Pro 10.5 - New HomePod - Updated iMac - Updated MacBook - Updated MacBook Pros
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      That was just last year. Hardware announcements overall are do not happen every time.
  - OverThere 8y ago
    Just last year they announced new iMac, Macbook Pro, Homepod and gave a sneak peek at iMac Pro. Hardware announcements sometimes do happy at WWDC. I'm guessing they are not ready yet, so we just gotta hold out until fall event.
    - pier25 8y ago
      "typically"
- threeseed 8y ago
  September now. It also means the MacBooks will likely be shipping with a new keyboard, Coffee Lake and we will see 6 core/32GB variant for the 15inch.
  - jrs95 8y ago
    Damn, I guess I'll be picking one of those up then! I had been planning on having to wait to 2019, this is good news!
taf2 8y ago
dark mode is great, but OMG someone should have talked to the press people about this one and make sure the page was in dark mode. (also make sure you always say dark mode with batman's voice, it's not only necessary but much much more satisfying)
- saagarjha 8y ago
  Reader mode lets you view the page as white-on-black.
butterfi 8y ago
Was I crazy in thinking that this WWDC was supposed to address MacBookPro's being outdated?
- Tomte 8y ago
  No, but it was always a "may happen, may not happen" thing. WWDC is about software first and foremost. This year they decided not to dilute it with anything hardware. That wasn't a given, but it wasn't surprising, either.
- xrisk 8y ago
  Yes. It's a software conference.
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  - wuliwong 8y ago
    Last year they announced the HomePod and the iMac pro.
  - brchr 8y ago
    WWDC 2009: 13" MacBook Pro and iPhone 3GS announced WWDC 2010: iPhone 4 announced WWDC 2012: Retina MacBook Pro announced WWDC 2013: new Mac Pro, Time Capsule, AirPort Extreme, and MacBook Air announced WWDC 2017: iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro, iMac Pro, 10.5" iPad Pro and HomePod announced
    - notatoad 8y ago
      So in the last 9 years, 5 have had major hardware announcements? Hardly seems like a trend.
      - cosmojg 8y ago
        5/9 is a majority of conferences. I think OP made a fair assumption.
gnicholas 8y ago
Does Safari have a night mode? Most of my work at night is either in Mail (which should be relatively easy to enable night mode on) or a web browser. Obviously, third-party browsers will have to decide whether to support night mode, but I wonder if Safari will have support when Mojave is released. I imagine it won't be trivial to do this, especially on pages that have a background image. You don't want to invert it, but leaving it as-is would ruin the night mode effect. Plus, you have to maintain sufficient contrast with foreground text.
- wmblaettler 8y ago
  Doubtful. Night Mode will most likely only affect application chrome and menus that use Dynamic System Color [1] named colors, not the actual content within the app (i.e. images, webpages, documents, etc) Websites will be entirely unaffected as they have they're own custom CSS palettes. [1] https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/macos/visual-design/color/#dynamic-system-colors https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline...
  - gnicholas 8y ago
    Interesting. I imagined that with a name like "Night Mode", it would be more universal (like Night Shift is). I'll be interested to see how this evolves and whether third-party developers adopt it.
- Synaesthesia 8y ago
  There is the reader function, which you can set to white on black and a darkish gray.
- oneeyedpigeon 8y ago
  > Obviously, third-party browsers will have to decide whether to support night mode This is a big flaw, imo. A universal color scheme like 'dark mode' should take priority over individual app's preferences. A consistent, quality design was one of the things that first attracted me to the Mac, but what with every app doing its own thing, that ideal is a thing of the past. BTW, the Spotify app called. It's had dark mode for ages ... (/s)
ajeet_dhaliwal 8y ago
Been waiting for a proper dark mode, this is awesome. Also group FaceTime will be good.
hujun 8y ago
one side note: the WWDC18 video on apple's website is wrongly linked to the video of previous education event in Chicago
toephu2 8y ago
Is the Stocks app still going to be powered by Yahoo? (I know the news will be coming from Apple News now)
- saagarjha 8y ago
  Yup.
caiob 8y ago
I wonder if Terminal.app now supports True Color.
- Lio 8y ago
  Or if Split View finally gets keyboard shortcuts.
  - caiob 8y ago
    I use Tmux, so this is the first time I notice it. Wow!
toasterlovin 8y ago
IMO, the most interesting thing happening with Apple right now is the surprising (to me) amount of effort being put into their News and Stock apps (which are being ported to macOS). The only reason I can come up with for them to be pursuing this with so much effort is that they saw what happened as a result of Facebook dominating news and decided to put their best foot forward in the hopes of bringing some semblance of order.
- naravara 8y ago
  >IMO, the most interesting thing happening with Apple right now is the surprising (to me) amount of effort being put into their News and Stock apps (which are being ported to macOS). I think you missed the hidden story there (and by 'hidden' I mean, they actually mentioned it during the keynote). They announced that they're working on a toolkit to easily port over iOS apps into MacOS with very few manual changes to the code. The effort they're putting into porting News, Stocks, etc. into MacOS is actually just them field-testing their UIKit <-> AppKit conversion platform.
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  - toasterlovin 8y ago
    I get that these were good apps for them to test out their new UIKit thing on, but that's not all that I'm talking about. They're devoting time at keynotes to their News app. And they're clearly putting time into courting content partners. That's what surprising to me; the totality of their effort in this area.
- n42 8y ago
  personal anecdote: since that fiasco I have stopped using Facebook entirely, unsubscribed from all news subreddits, and have created a curated collection of reputable news publications (and subscribed to some!) via Apple News. I suspect I'm not alone, and I am quite happy to hear News is coming to macOS. I have to say, I would probably have never paid for news had it not been for how convenient Apple has made it.
seanwilson 8y ago
I'm not sure what I'm expecting to be honest, but I never use any of the in-built macOS apps so I just skim over those announcements. They don't seem like they should be part of what's considered the OS.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  Why not? Would you rather macOS shipped with no system apps?
  - sullyj3 8y ago
    I think they mean that the stock apps should be updated separately to the OS, like any normal app
  - seanwilson 8y ago
    I guess I'm expecting system wide features that only Apple could add because they involving updating the underlying OS. Adding group chat to their video chat app that I never use for example isn't that interesting to me and shouldn't require an OS update.
  - pier25 8y ago
    System apps like Terminal, Disk Utility, Preview, etc. Yes. Stocks, News, iTunes, Maps, Photos, Mail, etc, should be optional.
- alexhayes 8y ago
  Totally agree - and from a tech point I imagine they probably don't require a new OS (perhaps in most cases). However I imagine it's probably a good way to get people to stay up to date with the latest OS: "Oh, I want that shiny new app, I must update"
teekert 8y ago
Hmm I just put 16 GB ram, an SSD, and a new battery in my early 2011 mbp, also bought a new charger. The thing flies but it seems High Sierra will be my last MacOS version.
- brodsky 8y ago
  That's what I said to myself some time ago about Snow Leopart, and more recently - El Capitan, but unfortunately one eventually needs to bite the bullet and stay current with security patches and 3rd-party app support. I begrudgingly went to High Sierra, though it provides no added value to me whatsoever (and even breaks a few things). I'd like to say that I won't be getting another Mac in the future, though I can't honestly be sure of it. I'm already fully on Linux on my company laptop, but I own a few Mac-only apps that prevent me from going full Linux on my personal machine.
  - teekert 8y ago
    I run Linux on my personal laptop and server as well but my wife needs some Adobe tools unfortunately. Well I guess I'll just sit it out until security updates don't come anymore. Anyway, I think this was also my last Mac for these reasons: * I hate it that I can't open them up anymore * That butterfly keyboard * it got even more expensive (for a 15") (What we got back (the touchbar) has no added value for me) * Windows can run Adobe tools and now has a subsystem for Linux. * The Dell XPS line approaches MacBook quality pretty well and can be opened and is well supported under Linux should Adobe start to support it (hey, we are talking something like 2023 here, one can hope an Adobe Snap will be available by then, I think Adobe would rather like the Linux ecosystem.) As said, I'm still very happy with a 7 y/o mbp because I upgraded it step wise. Though to be honest, I feel computer land stagnates a bit now that we finally found a solution for the hdd bottleneck, still there is little to fix yourself if anything gives out.
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johnchristopher 8y ago
Stacks looks cool if fast and reliable.
- amiga-workbench 8y ago
  I just turn off desktop filing support and have a scratch folder sitting in my dock. The possibility of making a mess is too great.
drivingmenuts 8y ago
And yet, still no cure for iTunes. They really need to dumpster iTunes and break it up in several smaller apps.
pkamb 8y ago
Microsoft Office, Panic, Bare Bones Software, etc. are moving (or moving back) to the Mac App Store. I'm very curious why. Are there changes to Sandboxing? For all developers, or only select partners? Or changes to the revenue split?
- saagarjha 8y ago
  My guess is that Apple addressed many of the concerns that third-party developers had with the Mac App Store.
- tonyedgecombe 8y ago
  Yes, I wondered if they are getting a special deal.
hivacruz 8y ago
Ah, they added Favicons back on Safari. Maybe 10.15 will give us again the full address bar, because I still don't understand how this could have been changed in the first place: https://i.imgur.com/OzNj1T7.png https://i.imgur.com/OzNj1T7.png
- saagarjha 8y ago
  What’s wrong with the address bar?
  - smcl 8y ago
    Check linked the screenshot out - there's a LOT of empty space that could easily (and previously did) display the additional path/query string information in a URL. The screenshot does look a wee bit silly
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      But that’s the full URL, is it not?
- Tehnix 8y ago
  That never went away? Settings -> Advanced -> "Show full website address". On the other hand, the way they currently display it has actually been praised for at least making it slightly easier to spot phishing attempts, since the only differences there would lie in the domain names (there are articles about it).
- rileymat2 8y ago
  I am pretty sure there is a setting for that.
crazybit 8y ago
Sounds like the return of Apple from years ago: in house everything, walled garden everything, including graphic stack, custom CPU, etc. It almost ruined them (desperately holding on to their drastically interior CPU). What could go wrong this time? Especially when they no longer have Steve running the show.
- neurobashing 8y ago
  has anyone actually made a solid case that Apple's current generation of silicon is "drastically inferior"? Didn't Windows (on desktop) ignore OpenGL in favor of DirectX for years to great success, because it was deeply integrated into the platform? Yes, Apple's ecosystem is the same walled garden it's always been. Any time it wasn't was an anomaly. The best fanboy response I can give is that they seem MUCH more willing to work with partners this time around.
zmix 8y ago
Where is functional innovation?
- pier25 8y ago
  Quick look and markup are pretty awesome
stevetodd 8y ago
I would love it if the dark mode setting were passed in browser headers to sites I visit so they could send a dark style sheet for their sites.
- adtac 8y ago
  Don't expect any website to support dark theme requests in HTTP headers if most don't even bother to respect Do Not Track headers.
- ovao 8y ago
  Something to supplant the Ambient Light Sensor API would be great. A boolean value there really goes a long way toward minimizing privacy concerns.
- curiousguy 8y ago
  Dark mode can be implement on client side. Firefox extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dark-background-light-text/?src=userprofile https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dark-backgrou... Chrome extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dark-mode/dmghijelimhndkbmpgbldicpogfkceaj https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dark-mode/dmghijel...
- eddieh 8y ago
  Wouldn’t that add to the fingerprinting surface they just killed.
nkkollaw 8y ago
I can't find the macOS video. The announcement only talks about iOS. What am I missing? Is it not up yet?
pier25 8y ago
I like some of the new features... but I'm worried Mojave will not be very stable. High Sierra was supposed to be a polish release, and instead of stabilizing it Apple has added even more features.
jnsaff2 8y ago
Not a single word about quality. Anyone remember the insanely embarrassing issues they had with the current macOS?
Froyoh 8y ago
MOJAVE
pkaye 8y ago
Desktop technology is really stagnating isn't it? I guess it s just getting matured. Even Microsoft had few noteworthy changes in the last two major updates to Windows 10.
sarreph 8y ago
Is there word on Mojave's improvements to performance? I got bitten horribly by moving my 2014 rMBP to High Sierra from El Capitan... GPU issues galore, with a baseline CPU and RAM usage increase. Would be nice if I didn't have to fear this upgrade quite as much.
kylehotchkiss 8y ago
This was exciting enough for me to get over how bummed I was about Github selling out. All those little finder and facetime updates will add more value to the apple products I've invested in.
edejong 8y ago
So, everything we could do with Linux and Skype almost 15 years ago.
imagetic 8y ago
I'd happily go back to paying for MacOS if it meant a focus on stability and performance improvements. I waited in line for the Snow Leopard release and to date it was probably the best era of the Mac. I haven't even brought my office up to High Sierra due to the number of problems it's caused with all of our software and SAN systems.
unique_parrot2 8y ago
WHY just can't apple upgrade opengl and python??? They have the $$$ And bash and ...
- pier25 8y ago
  Well, OpenGL has been removed from macOS. No need to upgrade it anymore!
hota_mazi 8y ago
> the latest version of the world’s most advanced desktop operating system Good old Apple.
jasonrhaas 8y ago
Is anyone else excited about "dark mode"? Seems like a nod to developers, a lot of whom are night owls. For that, Apple, I applaud you.
- solidr53 8y ago
  I like it, only issue I've found so far is Safari's private browsing (or Incognito) that is indistinguishable from normal browsing. Under "normal" circumstances I wouldn't care, but I use it a lot for development with the same site, so I don't know which is what.
kilon 8y ago
Not an impressive update I am afraid , apart from the dark theme I could not care less about the rest
elliotec 8y ago
Thoroughly sad. My next laptop will be dual booting Linux and Windows 10.
xtat 8y ago
Codename: NobodyCares
PakG1 8y ago
The complaints here about how the new macOS does not have anything exciting or interesting is weird. I thought the best thing about the new macOS (and iOS) is that it's supposed to be Apple focusing on stability, rather than new features. Given all the bad things that have happened with macOS in the past year, I thought this was going to be appreciated. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/30/apple-focus-on-software-quality-extends-to-mac/ https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/30/apple-focus-on-software...
- jxi 8y ago
  When they release new features, people ask for stability. When they focus on stability, people "yawn" at the lack of new features. People who don't like Apple will just find a reason to complain.
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- greggman 8y ago
  did they announce all the fixes? if not then I'd assume that's why people aren't focusing on them. I too would appreciate stability and fixes. I know they are listed in the notes for each release. Still if that really was the focus that needs to be communicated note I didn't watch the announcements so if they did emphasize that great!
  - dogweather 8y ago
    I'm 100% with you. I heard nothing about focus on stability, or bug fixes. Really, just silence about it.
  - spunker540 8y ago
    I think no matter what the focus is, they’re never gonna spend time during highly publicized events highlighting bugs in previous versions that they’ve fixed!
- shyy 8y ago
  High Sierra didn't have much notable or interesting either, and it proved to be the least stable release in a while by a damn sight. Lately it seems like Apple has downshifted in competence all-around (at least on the Mac). I'll believe evidence to the contrary when I see it — not sooner. I know that makes me seem like an HN Apple hater. And it pains me to say that. I've been a Mac fan since the mid-90s. I've tried to give them the benefit of the doubt for a few years, but at this point they've blown through that into deep red territory. It makes me sad :(
masonicb00m 8y ago
I can’t wait for dark mode. Awesome
kornnflake 8y ago
Does anyone know if VMWare Fusion and Docker work on macOS Mojave?
daveroberts 8y ago
Microsoft had an advertising campaign for Windows Vista called the Mojave Experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_Experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_Experiment
satyajeet23 8y ago
Apple is stripping off the crap away from their OS and making privacy improvements at a very high rate!

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The News, Stocks, Voice Memos and Home apps were brought to Mac using iOS frameworks that have been adapted to macOS. Starting in late 2019, these additional frameworks will make it easier for developers to bring their iOS apps to macOS — providing new opportunities for developers and creating more apps for Mac users to enjoy. Looks like UIKit is the future, despite protestations to the contrary.

tabs_masterrace 8y ago
This is a good thing. While very similar, UIKit blows AppKit away in terms of API usability and design. Also, I think it's perfectly fine to write macOS apps using UIKit, would be similar to making iPad apps. It needs a few Desktop/Mouse related adjustments but Apple is probably going to be smart about that. Definitely not gonna be like what happened with Windows Metro apps
- grey-area 8y ago
  I agree, and frankly it’s been obvious since its inception that uikit is a better appkit written with the benefit of experience - more limited at present but suitable for all devices. They should have started this years ago and have a unified platform with tweaks for different UI. Bizarre doublespeak in the presentation though as they denied this was the plan - explicitly said no merger.
  - aeontech 8y ago
    It's not doublespeak, it's very clear refutation to those who fear macOS fading away and being replaced by a locked down, ARM-powered iOS laptops, Apple machines turning into alternate version of Chromebooks. The message reads to me as "we're bringing the good things from iOS over to macOS, rather than abandoning macOS and replacing it with iOS".
    - grey-area 8y ago
      They said: "Are you merging iOS and macOS?" "No." Then proceeded to detail the port of the iOS APIs to Mac and some apps just using those APIs. Time will tell, but I think a merge is exactly what they are planning long term, and it makes sense to do so (with some differences for user input and larger screens). It's crazy to develop very similar APIs for GUI apps in parallel, and what has become two different OSs with slightly different apps and feature sets, but a huge amount of overlap. The savings for Apple and developers of having a consistent set of new APIs and one set of apps to manage (for example their entire office suite) would be huge. The sheer pressure of money and users on the iOS side means that will be the dominant one, and UIKit will win. Re lockdown, that's more a political decision than a technical one, it could go either way, I suspect both platforms will become gradually more and more similar (they already are converging) and the future will be close to the one you fear, with at the very least some ARM powered locked down laptops (which I'd be very happy with).
      - aeontech 8y ago
        > It's crazy to develop very similar APIs for GUI apps in parallel, and what has become two different OSs with slightly different apps and feature sets, but a huge amount of overlap. The savings for Apple and developers of having a consistent set of new APIs and one set of apps to manage (for example their entire office suite) would be huge. Right, and what the announcement seems to show is that UIKit could eventually grow to replace AppKit. Like you yourself say - "uikit is a better appkit written with the benefit of experience". That still doesn't imply the two OS would necessarily be merged - there's still a ton of things that make sense for macOS that are not needed in iOS, and vice versa - just for one thing, they have vastly different energy budgets. There's also a ton of overlap and shared code already, for pieces that it does make sense to share. So, I still think the answer is really targeted at people who fear that iOS (with all of its current limitations) will replace macOS, essentially, rather than being a misdirection as you seem to find it?
        grey-area 8y ago
        From a customer perspective, there may be two OSs - that's really a marketing question. From a developer perspective, I expect them to arrive at one API, with a few options to allow feedback from various sources (tap or click), and handling multiple screen sizes gracefully, and therefore pretty much one OS, so that you can build one app across devices - this is exactly what they are trying out with their ios app port. Once you do that, it doesn't make sense to have two APIs. I can't think of many features that would be exclusive - to take your example of energy budgets, saving energy on both is equally important now that laptops are a mainstay and desktops an afterthought. We may well see ARM laptops for this reason. Watches are the one exception that have a budget so tight at present that normal apps just aren't feasible. So I think a merge is exactly what is on the cards in the long term, particularly as they are now run by an operations person and the money flows in more and more from phones, not computers.
nxc18 8y ago
Hope significant are the differences between cocoa and uikit? I don't have any experience besides some light source browsing and it seemed the big difference is the NS to UI prefix change. Anyone care to summarize for the unenlightened?
- Klonoar 8y ago
  The differences are more in implementation than anything else: - AppKit isn't layer-backed by default, requiring you to handle this. Something as simple as setting the background color for an NSView is far more of a ritual than it is for a UIView. - NSColor/NSImage under the hood are different than UIColor and UIImage. - NSTableView and NSCollectionView have big differences (NSCollectionView is more subtle, I should say) that rear their head when you start trying to do anything like you would on iOS. e.g, NSTableView doesn't automatically get an NSScrollView, grouped rows operate like headers but the underlying data structure isn't easy to share, collection view items are view controllers on macOS but not on iOS, etc. - Delegate methods are entirely different, requiring you to #if check everywhere. - Trying to use NSTextField like a UILabel is a trip, requiring you to understand an archaic NSCell architecture that you'll wish you didn't have to deal with in 2018. The list goes on, and most developers that share code between iOS and macOS have their own frankenstein framework floating around. UIKit on macOS would do a lot to alleviate this. Edited because, speaking of 2018... this should not be this annoying to format.
  - reificator 8y ago
    Similar to some markdown parsers, you need to have multiple newlines in the source in order for the presentation to have a newline. EDIT: Looks like you got there before I finished typing.
  - jonhendry18 8y ago
    "Something as simple as setting the background color for an NSView is far more of a ritual than it is for a UIView." Or you just use an NSBox as the rearmost subview of the NSView, and set its fill color.

forgotmypw 8y ago

Does anyone know where the hardware support is listed?

donarb 8y ago
From the press release: "macOS Mojave will be available this fall as a free software update for Macs introduced in mid-2012 or later, plus 2010 and 2012 Mac Pro models with recommended Metal-capable graphics cards." https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/06/apple-introduces-macos-mojave/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/06/apple-introduces-maco...
milhous 8y ago
From the Press Release under "Availability" "macOS Mojave will be available this fall as a free software update for Macs introduced in mid-2012 or later, plus 2010 and 2012 Mac Pro models with recommended Metal-capable graphics cards." Looks like it's the end of the road for my 2010 Mac mini running High Sierra. So long as Photos and Photo Stream continue to work, I'm not complaining. It was a good run.
- Clubber 8y ago
  Check ebay. I recently bought a 2013 Mac Pro off ebay for a good price. My 2009 Mac Pro was no longer supported. I figure the 2013s will probably have another 5 years after whatever new model they come out with next year.
  - Lio 8y ago
    I’m pretty sure there’s a way to upgrade the firmware on 2009 Mac Pro to keep it going. Can’t quite remember the details but I think it’s even possible to bring it up to 2012 spec which will be supported in Mojave.
    - Clubber 8y ago
      Ya, I couldn't get it to work and I have more money than patience. I also didn't buy one when they first came out, so I was happy with my 4 years of holding off for a good price. Besides, new (to me) hardware always motivates me to build products. I'm working on an Azure app on a Windows 10 VM inside a macOS. :) I need to get around to learning how to work on C# apps in macOS rather than Visual Studio, but I haven't quite gotten around to it yet. Either way, now I have a trashcan / hand warmer on my desk with a TB connected external drive cage with 2 mirror sets, and it makes me happy.

callumprentice 8y ago

Interesting note at the end about News, Stocks, Voice Memos in that they were "ported" from iOS versions with "some minor code changes". If that's the whole story, it would be pretty nice to be able to make apps that work on both platforms with only a few source differences.

dangoor 8y ago
They said they'd be releasing that tech to other developers next year, I believe
conception 8y ago
Basically an Electron for OSX is pretty neat.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  This isn’t Electron. It’s fully native with no web component intermediate.
- kridsdale1 8y ago
  It’s more like Wine. Real native runtime libraries interacting an app API to a different underlying OS.
  - floatboth 8y ago
    The underlying OS is extremely similar (they're both Darwin and they share the Core * frameworks). And unlike Wine, they won't be running unmodified binaries.
    - __david__ 8y ago
      Well, it's closer to winelib [1], which is an integral part of Wine. [1] https://wiki.winehq.org/Winelib_User%27s_Guide#What_is_Winelib.3F https://wiki.winehq.org/Winelib_User%27s_Guide#What_is_Winel...

jumelles 8y ago

I'm continually amazed at how much Apple hypes up the most pointless, useless, basic things. This is a new version of a major operating system, and we get... the desktop organized by filetype. A built-in stock application. How is an App Store update considered part of an OS update?

aldanor 8y ago
I can't help shuddering everytime Craig presents (is forced to present? is paid to present?) the... omg... wait for it... the new set of animojis, on stage.
- some_account 8y ago
  Yeah it's very cringe to watch. A grown man being exited about personal emois on a phone. Really?
  - IOT_Apprentice 8y ago
    Yet teens are a very popular demographic for buying iPhones, so if they like it, so what?
    - some_account 8y ago
      I'm a developer using the mac as a programming and devops system. I do not want teen features to be the best thing about my next upgrade. I want it to be about the computer feeling faster, smoother, better. You know, like an operating system feature?
      - saagarjha 8y ago
        Why not have both?
      - Lio 8y ago
        This. MacBook Pros are getting more and more expensive surely they’re already outside of the teen demographics purchasing power. It’s professionals and those that aspire to be professional who spend > £2,000 on a laptop. I want decent UI (including keyboard shortcuts I can touch type), more features and better performance more than I want fluff like voice commands or anything-moji. When thy said there another part of the platform they were ignoring I got excited for a moment. I thought they bringing out an Apple official version of homebrew. Nope iOS apps.

shmerl 8y ago

So, did they at last add support for Vulkan and OpenGL 4.6 in the system and Ogg/Opus in Safari?

ihuman 8y ago
OpenGL is deprecated in 10.14 > Apps built using OpenGL and OpenCL will continue to run in macOS 10.14, but these legacy technologies are deprecated in macOS 10.14. Games and graphics-intensive apps that use OpenGL should now adopt Metal. Similarly, apps that use OpenCL for computational tasks should now adopt Metal and Metal Performance Shaders.
- shmerl 8y ago
  I guess it's time for some developers to deprecate macOS as legacy now too :)
  - ihuman 8y ago
    Or they could just use Metal 2, or Vulkan via MoltenVK Edit: There's also MoltenGL, so they could run OpenGL applications with Metal.
    - shmerl 8y ago
      I'm just being snarky about it. Sure, you can use MoltenVK to work around this for Vulkan, but Apple are lock-in jerks here not to support OpenGL to begin with and call it "legacy" when they don't offer Vulkan support either. MoltenGL isn't FOSS so projects like Wine can't use it for instance.
chuckdries 8y ago
nope, on the contrary they deprecated opengl entirely
Gaelan 8y ago
I mean, Metal + MoltenVK is pretty close

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empath75 8y ago

So basically porting a few ios apps that hardly anyone even uses counts as a major OS release?

briandear 8y ago
"Hardly anyone uses" ?? Any data to support that complete falsehood?

janlukacs 8y ago

WWDC 2018, from underwhelming to boring. I will lose my mind if i hear *oji one more time. Will they ever stop with this nonsense? Favicons in Safari? It took them 6 years for the browser to remember the zoom setting per site, now we have the luxury of having favicons.

ihuman 8y ago
Bitmoji and Animoji were already popular, so it makes sense for Apple to combine the two (and sherlock Bitmoji).
- madeofpalk 8y ago
  > and sherlock Bitmoji Considering Animoji and Memoji are only in Apple's Messaging app/iMessage, I think Bitmoji will be fine as long as Snapchat is fine (which, well, isn't certain).
erichurkman 8y ago
I wonder if they'll ever fix `localStorage` in private Safari windows. It breaks countless sites and Safari is the only browser to block it.
- janlukacs 8y ago
  I love Safari, it's my main browser - but there are so many small annoying things that take ages to fix it's just sad.
- madeofpalk 8y ago
  Any site that is broken by Private Browsing causing storage quota exceptions in localStorage is going to be broken by quota exceptions under "normal" operation. It's in the spec, maybe developers should make their websites a bit more resilient to the very real errors that can happen? Did they just forget about error handling?
  - rasz 8y ago

saudioger 8y ago

So how far are away from the macOS iOS merge? A Stocks app as an OS-level feature feels pretty darn close.

saagarjha 8y ago
They explicitly answered this exact question with a resounding “No.”
- saudioger 8y ago
  Which means they aren't doing it now, not that they aren't doing it ever. Apple publicly derided phones with large screens for years and then released their own.
jonhendry18 8y ago
"A Stocks app as an OS-level feature feels pretty darn close." A Stocks app is trivial. There's been a Stocks Dashboard widget type thing for years and years. Merging the OSes would mean revamping the macOS UI to be usable with touch screens, removing or drastically changing file access, etc.
- saudioger 8y ago
  They depreciated Open GL and built Metal 2 for macOS, differentiating touch and mouse input screens from each other and file access are trivial by comparison. It's not like iOS doesn't have a file system, they just don't allow you to access it.

matt_s 8y ago

MacOS will not be replaced by iOS, but they will bring UIKit to MacOS so you can port apps. That sounds like they are unifying the two OS's to me, or I am mis-remembering the question Tim Cook answered with a definitive No?

saudioger 8y ago
More like: No...t yet
- jaxondu 8y ago
  On stage Craig answers the question “will macOS and iOS merge” with a big NO, at least for as long as the guy is still with Apple.
  - saudioger 8y ago
    >at least for as long as the guy is still with Apple. This is nothing new. They've said things on stage that they've literally reversed on a year later.
    - orbitur 8y ago
      Aside from Steve Jobs surprising the Facetime team with his open source announcement (and honestly, any Steve Jobs claims in general), what are you referring to?
      - saudioger 8y ago
        Large phones was one. They specifically bashed the competition the year before saying that they weren't ergonomic.
threeseed 8y ago
No it sounds like exactly what they said. You will be able to use UIKit to help port your apps across. But they aren't going to be merging all of the other parts of the OS together. Especially since iOS and OSX differ significantly in parts e.g. security posture.

colonelpopcorn 8y ago

The name is unfortunately shared with the ill-fated marketing campaign from Microsoft to tell people Vista wasn't a hot pile of garbage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihorvo2tEuA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihorvo2tEuA

ghostly_s 8y ago
I'm sure that's fresh in the mind of many Mac users.
r00fus 8y ago
Yeah, Apple has "reinvigorated" old terminology many many times. It goes along with the "Places in CA" theme Cook introduced, and, honestly, honeybadger don't give a shit.

Elect2 8y ago

Still no window border. I often clicked wrong window when multiple windows stacked together.

apearson 8y ago
I really hope they don't add window borders. I enjoy not having unusable areas.
thiagocsf 8y ago
I’m a Mac user who used Linux for years and windows before that. I don’t miss the borders anymore. Try to use the keyboard shortcuts to switch windows. Even if you always have a hand on the mouse/pad, your other hand can still be your keyboard commander. If you’re convinced to keep using clicks to switch windows, look up the gesture to zoom out so you can see the whole windows and the click.

fermienrico 8y ago

Apple did not mention AMD or nVidia in their eGPU support announcement. With ML/DL, Rendering (Redshift is nVidia exclusive) and Gaming; Apple needs to throw the towel and work with nVidia to make a solid native driver for the mac.

asniper 8y ago
WWDC is typically software, not hardware related.

0x0 8y ago

Wow, they are DEPRECATING OpenGL from both macOS and iOS: https://developer.apple.com/macos/whats-new/ https://developer.apple.com/macos/whats-new/ This is in addition to last year's announcement that "macOS High Sierra is the last version of macOS to run 32bit apps without compromise" I wonder if we will soon see a new lineage of Macbooks fitted with Apple-specific arm64 chips. The most scary thought is if UIKit-on-macOS starts requiring Developer ID entitlements and need to be installed via the app store, with fairplay DRM encryption of binaries and everything. Edit: Also, r.i.p. my old macbook air 2011 :-/

galad87 8y ago
The writing was on the wall since they stopped updating it (OpenGL) 5 years ago.
- 0x0 8y ago
  True, but it'd be a shame to lose out on the library of legacy software and games. Edit: and XQuartz (X11) with OpenGL comes in handy once in a while too...
  - numbsafari 8y ago
    I mean... it looks like there's at least one commercial option for OpenGL on Metal (MoltenGL). Also, it seems to me that the better option in the long run for legacy game support is to just run a VM for the highest degree of compatibility.
    - ryandrake 8y ago
      Yep, I bet the MoltenGL guys are throwing a major party right now. I wonder what kind of effort it would be to hook up Mesa to a Metal backend...?
      - stuaxo 8y ago
        Years. EDIT: As a follower of https://mesamatrix.net/ https://mesamatrix.net/ I don't think it would be unreasonable to say about 3 years to get something that kind of works, five for something semi reasonable, and 8 for something at modern open gl level.

nolite 8y ago

Really now..? We're innovating with color schemes?

falcon620 8y ago
I pulled that move once in an old product - not all of our users could upgrade to the newer product because of HW constraints - the one we had directed like 97% of our development efforts at, but that tiny thing kept them happy for quite some time. (We went with four color themes though, not just two.) I recommend this move if you want to make an abandoned product line seem like it's at least a little bit alive.
MitjaBezensek 8y ago
Sad thing is that that was one of the most exciting things :)
foobarbazetc 8y ago
But dark mode is the best thing announced...

Analemma_ 8y ago

"We know you're all very upset about our new keyboards that break and require a $700 repair if they get a grain of sand in them, so today we're announcing that the new OS is named after a desert. We're Apple! We hate you, and you're going to keep buying it regardless."

derekjobst 8y ago

Didn't Microsoft have an OS project called Mojave? http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2008/08/wandering_through_the_desert_with_windows.html http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2008/08/...

52-6F-62 8y ago

From a publishing industry standpoint, Apple News desktop is pretty big. Especially if that means Apple News is coming to other countries (including, more specifically, Canada). And especially since they bought Texture. There's likely more to come on that front.

naravara 8y ago
The lack of a desktop client is the main reason I don't use Apple News. If I were Feedly or any other RSS reader I'd be scared right now. Granted, what Apple News could really benefit from would be an option to log in and read from my sources through a web browser. It would be nice if I could check up on things from, for instance, a public library.
- 52-6F-62 8y ago
  Absolutely. A unified subscription model would be a boon to readers. It's proven complicated to implement due to no standard among publishers for handling subscriptions. Outside of the more innovative companies, it seems a bit ad hoc as new technologies rise, appreciate into maturity, settle into mediocrity (where they are adopted), and fall (while they're increasingly difficult to maintain until the next third state). I think you're onto it, though. And the more effort publishers put into the content, I think the better they'd do. Unfortunately many decisions on the digital front have so far been decided by marketing or operations along the old anti-Ford model: "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses."— they aren't so keen on improving experience, they just want faster horses.
  - naravara 8y ago
    I'm not sure we even need something that elaborate honestly. I was imagining just a straight up RSS reader. It doesn't seem like we need to invent anything new here, just make a version of RSS that can natively serve rich multimedia content and be gated behind a subscription.
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bwang29 8y ago

I feel the system wide dark mode is the next step from Night Shift mode to acknowledge or encourage people to work more toward late night/evenings. Eye fatigue has been one of the reason my body reminds me to go to sleep, now I can maybe deal with some more emails before I head to bed.

jacobush 8y ago
Yay?
grzm 8y ago
Night Shift (and perhaps Dark Mode as well) work to decrease the amount of light towards the blue end of the spectrum as in the evening to mimic the natural spectrum shift and help people sleep, rather than mimic bright mid-day light. It's not to reduce eye fatigue and get people to work more: it's to help them relax and sleep better at night. Here's an article that discusses it in a bit more depth. http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-night-shift-blue-light-affects-your-brain-and-body-2016-4 http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-night-shift-blue-light...
- eightchen 8y ago
  No ones forcing you to use it.
  - staplers 8y ago
    No one is forcing you to breathe, and yet you do it anyways
- jodrellblank 8y ago
  There is a growing body of evidence that cumulative lifetime exposure to blue wavelength light increases the risk of AMD. (Age-related Macular Degeneration, which can lead to blindness). http://macularhope.org/the-macular-degeneration-epidemic/ http://macularhope.org/the-macular-degeneration-epidemic/
aavotins 8y ago

logiclabs 8y ago

OMG!!! But Dark mode!!! It's like, so, so cool ... I can't believe I can be allowed to change the colours of the desktop after years of Jony Ive dictating/advising what my desktop should look like.

tomsmeding 8y ago
This has existed for a while already, I believe at least since Yosemite. EDIT: Sorry, I didn't even read TFA. Wonder what they're talking about then.
- logiclabs 8y ago
  Yes, they spent about 5 minutes hyping it up to mucho mucho applause by the crowd. I was baffled!
- cosmotron 8y ago
  The main difference is that, while you have already been able to change the menu bar and dock to a dark color scheme, the update coming in Mojave allows the window chrome to be dark too (note Finder being dark in the article).

LaSombra 8y ago

The Finder photo mode reminds me of KDE 3 or even Windows Vista. How can you hype something so old?

oliv__ 8y ago

But... where are the new macs?

ghostly_s 8y ago
This is WWDC. They don't typically announce new hardware there in recent years.
- justindocanto 8y ago
  Not so sure about this. WWDC 2017 (last year) had all of these announcements: - New iMac Pro - New iPad Pro 10.5 - New HomePod - Updated iMac - Updated MacBook - Updated MacBook Pros
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    That was just last year. Hardware announcements overall are do not happen every time.
- OverThere 8y ago
  Just last year they announced new iMac, Macbook Pro, Homepod and gave a sneak peek at iMac Pro. Hardware announcements sometimes do happy at WWDC. I'm guessing they are not ready yet, so we just gotta hold out until fall event.
  - pier25 8y ago
    "typically"
threeseed 8y ago
September now. It also means the MacBooks will likely be shipping with a new keyboard, Coffee Lake and we will see 6 core/32GB variant for the 15inch.
- jrs95 8y ago
  Damn, I guess I'll be picking one of those up then! I had been planning on having to wait to 2019, this is good news!

taf2 8y ago

dark mode is great, but OMG someone should have talked to the press people about this one and make sure the page was in dark mode. (also make sure you always say dark mode with batman's voice, it's not only necessary but much much more satisfying)

saagarjha 8y ago
Reader mode lets you view the page as white-on-black.

butterfi 8y ago

Was I crazy in thinking that this WWDC was supposed to address MacBookPro's being outdated?

Tomte 8y ago
No, but it was always a "may happen, may not happen" thing. WWDC is about software first and foremost. This year they decided not to dilute it with anything hardware. That wasn't a given, but it wasn't surprising, either.
xrisk 8y ago
Yes. It's a software conference.
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- wuliwong 8y ago
  Last year they announced the HomePod and the iMac pro.
- brchr 8y ago
  WWDC 2009: 13" MacBook Pro and iPhone 3GS announced WWDC 2010: iPhone 4 announced WWDC 2012: Retina MacBook Pro announced WWDC 2013: new Mac Pro, Time Capsule, AirPort Extreme, and MacBook Air announced WWDC 2017: iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro, iMac Pro, 10.5" iPad Pro and HomePod announced
  - notatoad 8y ago
    So in the last 9 years, 5 have had major hardware announcements? Hardly seems like a trend.
    - cosmojg 8y ago
      5/9 is a majority of conferences. I think OP made a fair assumption.

gnicholas 8y ago

Does Safari have a night mode? Most of my work at night is either in Mail (which should be relatively easy to enable night mode on) or a web browser. Obviously, third-party browsers will have to decide whether to support night mode, but I wonder if Safari will have support when Mojave is released. I imagine it won't be trivial to do this, especially on pages that have a background image. You don't want to invert it, but leaving it as-is would ruin the night mode effect. Plus, you have to maintain sufficient contrast with foreground text.

wmblaettler 8y ago
Doubtful. Night Mode will most likely only affect application chrome and menus that use Dynamic System Color [1] named colors, not the actual content within the app (i.e. images, webpages, documents, etc) Websites will be entirely unaffected as they have they're own custom CSS palettes. [1] https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/macos/visual-design/color/#dynamic-system-colors https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline...
- gnicholas 8y ago
  Interesting. I imagined that with a name like "Night Mode", it would be more universal (like Night Shift is). I'll be interested to see how this evolves and whether third-party developers adopt it.
Synaesthesia 8y ago
There is the reader function, which you can set to white on black and a darkish gray.
oneeyedpigeon 8y ago
> Obviously, third-party browsers will have to decide whether to support night mode This is a big flaw, imo. A universal color scheme like 'dark mode' should take priority over individual app's preferences. A consistent, quality design was one of the things that first attracted me to the Mac, but what with every app doing its own thing, that ideal is a thing of the past. BTW, the Spotify app called. It's had dark mode for ages ... (/s)

ajeet_dhaliwal 8y ago

Been waiting for a proper dark mode, this is awesome. Also group FaceTime will be good.

hujun 8y ago

one side note: the WWDC18 video on apple's website is wrongly linked to the video of previous education event in Chicago

toephu2 8y ago

Is the Stocks app still going to be powered by Yahoo? (I know the news will be coming from Apple News now)

saagarjha 8y ago
Yup.

caiob 8y ago

I wonder if Terminal.app now supports True Color.

Lio 8y ago
Or if Split View finally gets keyboard shortcuts.
- caiob 8y ago
  I use Tmux, so this is the first time I notice it. Wow!

toasterlovin 8y ago

IMO, the most interesting thing happening with Apple right now is the surprising (to me) amount of effort being put into their News and Stock apps (which are being ported to macOS). The only reason I can come up with for them to be pursuing this with so much effort is that they saw what happened as a result of Facebook dominating news and decided to put their best foot forward in the hopes of bringing some semblance of order.

naravara 8y ago
>IMO, the most interesting thing happening with Apple right now is the surprising (to me) amount of effort being put into their News and Stock apps (which are being ported to macOS). I think you missed the hidden story there (and by 'hidden' I mean, they actually mentioned it during the keynote). They announced that they're working on a toolkit to easily port over iOS apps into MacOS with very few manual changes to the code. The effort they're putting into porting News, Stocks, etc. into MacOS is actually just them field-testing their UIKit <-> AppKit conversion platform.
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- toasterlovin 8y ago
  I get that these were good apps for them to test out their new UIKit thing on, but that's not all that I'm talking about. They're devoting time at keynotes to their News app. And they're clearly putting time into courting content partners. That's what surprising to me; the totality of their effort in this area.
n42 8y ago
personal anecdote: since that fiasco I have stopped using Facebook entirely, unsubscribed from all news subreddits, and have created a curated collection of reputable news publications (and subscribed to some!) via Apple News. I suspect I'm not alone, and I am quite happy to hear News is coming to macOS. I have to say, I would probably have never paid for news had it not been for how convenient Apple has made it.

seanwilson 8y ago

I'm not sure what I'm expecting to be honest, but I never use any of the in-built macOS apps so I just skim over those announcements. They don't seem like they should be part of what's considered the OS.

saagarjha 8y ago
Why not? Would you rather macOS shipped with no system apps?
- sullyj3 8y ago
  I think they mean that the stock apps should be updated separately to the OS, like any normal app
- seanwilson 8y ago
  I guess I'm expecting system wide features that only Apple could add because they involving updating the underlying OS. Adding group chat to their video chat app that I never use for example isn't that interesting to me and shouldn't require an OS update.
- pier25 8y ago
  System apps like Terminal, Disk Utility, Preview, etc. Yes. Stocks, News, iTunes, Maps, Photos, Mail, etc, should be optional.
alexhayes 8y ago
Totally agree - and from a tech point I imagine they probably don't require a new OS (perhaps in most cases). However I imagine it's probably a good way to get people to stay up to date with the latest OS: "Oh, I want that shiny new app, I must update"

teekert 8y ago

Hmm I just put 16 GB ram, an SSD, and a new battery in my early 2011 mbp, also bought a new charger. The thing flies but it seems High Sierra will be my last MacOS version.

brodsky 8y ago
That's what I said to myself some time ago about Snow Leopart, and more recently - El Capitan, but unfortunately one eventually needs to bite the bullet and stay current with security patches and 3rd-party app support. I begrudgingly went to High Sierra, though it provides no added value to me whatsoever (and even breaks a few things). I'd like to say that I won't be getting another Mac in the future, though I can't honestly be sure of it. I'm already fully on Linux on my company laptop, but I own a few Mac-only apps that prevent me from going full Linux on my personal machine.
- teekert 8y ago
  I run Linux on my personal laptop and server as well but my wife needs some Adobe tools unfortunately. Well I guess I'll just sit it out until security updates don't come anymore. Anyway, I think this was also my last Mac for these reasons: * I hate it that I can't open them up anymore * That butterfly keyboard * it got even more expensive (for a 15") (What we got back (the touchbar) has no added value for me) * Windows can run Adobe tools and now has a subsystem for Linux. * The Dell XPS line approaches MacBook quality pretty well and can be opened and is well supported under Linux should Adobe start to support it (hey, we are talking something like 2023 here, one can hope an Adobe Snap will be available by then, I think Adobe would rather like the Linux ecosystem.) As said, I'm still very happy with a 7 y/o mbp because I upgraded it step wise. Though to be honest, I feel computer land stagnates a bit now that we finally found a solution for the hdd bottleneck, still there is little to fix yourself if anything gives out.

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johnchristopher 8y ago

Stacks looks cool if fast and reliable.

amiga-workbench 8y ago
I just turn off desktop filing support and have a scratch folder sitting in my dock. The possibility of making a mess is too great.

drivingmenuts 8y ago

And yet, still no cure for iTunes. They really need to dumpster iTunes and break it up in several smaller apps.

pkamb 8y ago

Microsoft Office, Panic, Bare Bones Software, etc. are moving (or moving back) to the Mac App Store. I'm very curious why. Are there changes to Sandboxing? For all developers, or only select partners? Or changes to the revenue split?

saagarjha 8y ago
My guess is that Apple addressed many of the concerns that third-party developers had with the Mac App Store.
tonyedgecombe 8y ago
Yes, I wondered if they are getting a special deal.

hivacruz 8y ago

Ah, they added Favicons back on Safari. Maybe 10.15 will give us again the full address bar, because I still don't understand how this could have been changed in the first place: https://i.imgur.com/OzNj1T7.png https://i.imgur.com/OzNj1T7.png

saagarjha 8y ago
What’s wrong with the address bar?
- smcl 8y ago
  Check linked the screenshot out - there's a LOT of empty space that could easily (and previously did) display the additional path/query string information in a URL. The screenshot does look a wee bit silly
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    But that’s the full URL, is it not?
Tehnix 8y ago
That never went away? Settings -> Advanced -> "Show full website address". On the other hand, the way they currently display it has actually been praised for at least making it slightly easier to spot phishing attempts, since the only differences there would lie in the domain names (there are articles about it).
rileymat2 8y ago
I am pretty sure there is a setting for that.

crazybit 8y ago

Sounds like the return of Apple from years ago: in house everything, walled garden everything, including graphic stack, custom CPU, etc. It almost ruined them (desperately holding on to their drastically interior CPU). What could go wrong this time? Especially when they no longer have Steve running the show.

neurobashing 8y ago
has anyone actually made a solid case that Apple's current generation of silicon is "drastically inferior"? Didn't Windows (on desktop) ignore OpenGL in favor of DirectX for years to great success, because it was deeply integrated into the platform? Yes, Apple's ecosystem is the same walled garden it's always been. Any time it wasn't was an anomaly. The best fanboy response I can give is that they seem MUCH more willing to work with partners this time around.

zmix 8y ago

Where is functional innovation?

pier25 8y ago
Quick look and markup are pretty awesome

stevetodd 8y ago

I would love it if the dark mode setting were passed in browser headers to sites I visit so they could send a dark style sheet for their sites.

adtac 8y ago
Don't expect any website to support dark theme requests in HTTP headers if most don't even bother to respect Do Not Track headers.
ovao 8y ago
Something to supplant the Ambient Light Sensor API would be great. A boolean value there really goes a long way toward minimizing privacy concerns.
curiousguy 8y ago
Dark mode can be implement on client side. Firefox extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dark-background-light-text/?src=userprofile https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dark-backgrou... Chrome extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dark-mode/dmghijelimhndkbmpgbldicpogfkceaj https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dark-mode/dmghijel...
eddieh 8y ago
Wouldn’t that add to the fingerprinting surface they just killed.

nkkollaw 8y ago

I can't find the macOS video. The announcement only talks about iOS. What am I missing? Is it not up yet?

pier25 8y ago

I like some of the new features... but I'm worried Mojave will not be very stable. High Sierra was supposed to be a polish release, and instead of stabilizing it Apple has added even more features.

jnsaff2 8y ago

Not a single word about quality. Anyone remember the insanely embarrassing issues they had with the current macOS?

Froyoh 8y ago

MOJAVE

pkaye 8y ago

Desktop technology is really stagnating isn't it? I guess it s just getting matured. Even Microsoft had few noteworthy changes in the last two major updates to Windows 10.

sarreph 8y ago

Is there word on Mojave's improvements to performance? I got bitten horribly by moving my 2014 rMBP to High Sierra from El Capitan... GPU issues galore, with a baseline CPU and RAM usage increase. Would be nice if I didn't have to fear this upgrade quite as much.

kylehotchkiss 8y ago

This was exciting enough for me to get over how bummed I was about Github selling out. All those little finder and facetime updates will add more value to the apple products I've invested in.

edejong 8y ago

So, everything we could do with Linux and Skype almost 15 years ago.

imagetic 8y ago

I'd happily go back to paying for MacOS if it meant a focus on stability and performance improvements. I waited in line for the Snow Leopard release and to date it was probably the best era of the Mac. I haven't even brought my office up to High Sierra due to the number of problems it's caused with all of our software and SAN systems.

unique_parrot2 8y ago

WHY just can't apple upgrade opengl and python??? They have the $$$ And bash and ...

pier25 8y ago
Well, OpenGL has been removed from macOS. No need to upgrade it anymore!

hota_mazi 8y ago

> the latest version of the world’s most advanced desktop operating system Good old Apple.

jasonrhaas 8y ago

Is anyone else excited about "dark mode"? Seems like a nod to developers, a lot of whom are night owls. For that, Apple, I applaud you.

solidr53 8y ago
I like it, only issue I've found so far is Safari's private browsing (or Incognito) that is indistinguishable from normal browsing. Under "normal" circumstances I wouldn't care, but I use it a lot for development with the same site, so I don't know which is what.

kilon 8y ago

Not an impressive update I am afraid , apart from the dark theme I could not care less about the rest

elliotec 8y ago

Thoroughly sad. My next laptop will be dual booting Linux and Windows 10.

xtat 8y ago

Codename: NobodyCares

PakG1 8y ago

The complaints here about how the new macOS does not have anything exciting or interesting is weird. I thought the best thing about the new macOS (and iOS) is that it's supposed to be Apple focusing on stability, rather than new features. Given all the bad things that have happened with macOS in the past year, I thought this was going to be appreciated. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/30/apple-focus-on-software-quality-extends-to-mac/ https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/30/apple-focus-on-software...

jxi 8y ago
When they release new features, people ask for stability. When they focus on stability, people "yawn" at the lack of new features. People who don't like Apple will just find a reason to complain.
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greggman 8y ago
did they announce all the fixes? if not then I'd assume that's why people aren't focusing on them. I too would appreciate stability and fixes. I know they are listed in the notes for each release. Still if that really was the focus that needs to be communicated note I didn't watch the announcements so if they did emphasize that great!
- dogweather 8y ago
  I'm 100% with you. I heard nothing about focus on stability, or bug fixes. Really, just silence about it.
- spunker540 8y ago
  I think no matter what the focus is, they’re never gonna spend time during highly publicized events highlighting bugs in previous versions that they’ve fixed!
shyy 8y ago
High Sierra didn't have much notable or interesting either, and it proved to be the least stable release in a while by a damn sight. Lately it seems like Apple has downshifted in competence all-around (at least on the Mac). I'll believe evidence to the contrary when I see it — not sooner. I know that makes me seem like an HN Apple hater. And it pains me to say that. I've been a Mac fan since the mid-90s. I've tried to give them the benefit of the doubt for a few years, but at this point they've blown through that into deep red territory. It makes me sad :(

masonicb00m 8y ago

I can’t wait for dark mode. Awesome

kornnflake 8y ago

Does anyone know if VMWare Fusion and Docker work on macOS Mojave?

daveroberts 8y ago

Microsoft had an advertising campaign for Windows Vista called the Mojave Experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_Experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_Experiment

satyajeet23 8y ago

Apple is stripping off the crap away from their OS and making privacy improvements at a very high rate!