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> "The GDPR explicitly allows any data processing that is strictly necessary for the service - but using the data additionally for advertisement or to sell it o
by ckastner 8y ago
> "The GDPR explicitly allows any data processing that is strictly necessary for the service - but using the data additionally for advertisement or to sell it on needs the users' free opt-in consent"
This is the key point. As the saying goes, on Facebook, you aren't the customer, you are the product.
The GDPR just changed this -- rightfully, in my opinion.
- zerostar07 8y agoyeah but now the product is not free.
- tazjin 8y agoIt'd be great if companies offered a "buy back your privacy" subscription model. For the services I really don't want to stop using (Twitter ...) I'd definitely be using that.
- gaius 8y agoThey would take your money and track you anyway, and everyone knows it
- tazjin 8y agoAnd be fined into oblivion.
- amelius 8y agoHow would anyone find out, and provide proof for this? Can we expect a EU government agency to validate companies on a regular basis? And if not, would they even cooperate with white-hat hackers to find offenders? Also, from what I read, data protection agencies have been understaffed and overworked for years now.
- pjc50 8y agoTracking which doesn't result in any visible effect to the users is fairly harmless. The more concerning stuff involves handing the data to third parties like direct marketers and political campaigns. Those commercial relationships are a lot harder to hide and generate a paper trail. "Why did this company pay you $x million?" ".. stuff?"
- tomatotomato37 8y agoWhen in doubt, make it a consulting fee
- Aunche 8y agoYou can choose to be paranoid about everything if you want to. Maybe your dentist is drilling fake cavities or your lawyer is giving you bad advice so you spend more money.
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- Anderkent 8y agoThe users that can afford and would buy this service are exactly the ones that advertisers want to reach. If you stop showing them ads or only share data for people not willing to pay, the data becomes useless.
- anonymouz 8y agoTough luck. There is no fundamental right allowing tracking or advertising. There is a fundamental right to privacy.
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- Anderkent 8y agoRight, but what this means is a business often can't support itself via a mix of subscription and ads - if you offer both for the same content the value of your adds will likely crash, so it's mostly equivalent to just being subscription based
- scrollaway 8y agohttps://gsuite.google.com/ https://gsuite.google.com/ A lot of people don't seem to know that GSuite is both usable (useful, even) and affordable (cheap!) even if you are a solo user. Here's a quick howto: 1. Go buy your own domain name (~$10/yr, https://www.gandi.net/ https://www.gandi.net/). Make it something you like, something professional. This is for your personal email address. firstname@lastname is the most common pattern. I recommend everybody do this. Even if you want to stay on gmail, yahoo, aol or whatever you can set up redirects. This becomes an email address you truly own, and your email provider cannot hold you hostage anymore. 2. Create a new GSuite account ($5/mo, https://gsuite.google.com https://gsuite.google.com) - The entire setup is guided and completely painless if you're even slightly technically-aware. 3. Migrating from a previous Google account: You can use Google Takeout to get a lot of your data (https://takeout.google.com/ https://takeout.google.com/). Unfortunately, migrating the data automatically is hard. For email you can set up IMAP from gmail, for Drive there's migration scripts. But you also don't have to migrate immediately, Google is good at multiple accounts. I know I'm sounding like a Google shill right now, but GSuite really is what people tend to ask for when they talk about Google's handling of data and say they'd pay $5/month to "regain their privacy". Well, here's your occasion to do so.
- Macha 8y agoIs GSuite better from a privacy perspective? It doesn't show ads in gmail, but I'm pretty sure they're still tracking you and feeding that into ads on youtube etc.
- beberlei 8y agofrom the DPA that you can sign with Google with regard to GSuite: > 5.2 Scope of Processing. > 5.2.1 Customer’s Instructions. By entering into this Data Processing Amendment, > Customer instructs Google to process Customer Personal Data only in accordance > with applicable law: (a) to provide the Services and related technical support; (b) as > further specified via Customer’s use of the Services (including the Admin Console > and other functionality of the Services) and related technical support; (c) as > documented in the form of the applicable Agreement, including this Data Processing > Amendment; and (d) as further documented in any other written instructions given > by Customer and acknowledged by Google as constituting instructions for purposes > of this Data Processing Amendment. So no, they probably can't track and feed that into youtube ads, because it is not a cause that provides the service or support. Afaik Google announced last year that they stopped processing GSuite account emails to a large degree.
- dangerface 8y agoGood now they have to make it worth paying for.
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- rinze 8y agoIt wasn't before either. You were just paying with a different currency.
- dmortin 8y agoSomebody has to pay for it in the end, so Facebook could simply say "agree to targeted advertising and use the site for free or do not agree and pay a monthly fee for the site".
- henrikschroder 8y agoSign me up! The sad truth though is that the users who are most likely to pay to get rid of ads, are also the users that are most valuable to advertisers, because that's a signal they have more money to spend than the rest.
- dmortin 8y agoWhat if they say it's $20 a month? And it's just facebook. Google also asks for $20, Reddit too, etc. It won't be cheap.
- akerro 8y agoWe already donate to reddit.
- letsgetphysITal 8y agoGoogle services with guaranteed no tracking and profiling? $20 is cheap.
- ccozan 8y agoHuh? A Google Suite account is 4 euros a month. No tracking and profiling.
- xxs 8y agoSo you are stipulating an account worth is 240USD a year at facebook? Instead of 20, why won't you say 100, make it round. Seriously though, behemoths do fall and if facebook ceases to exist there will be no harm but good in my book.
- VMG 8y agoThe GDPR ensures that only Facebook will be able to comply, and prospective competitors shouldn't even bother. The regulation counts 58 000 words.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y agoI see so many people parroting this but I just don't get it. Surely it won't be a problem at all for a new startup handling data correctly from day 1? Facebook has a mountain of historical data that was collected using non-GDRP-compliant methods that now falls foul of EU law.
- VMG 8y agoYou need somebody that knows the regulations and developers that are capable of auditing the whole system. That's added fixed costs, which is an advantage for incumbents.
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y agoBut these regulations are not that complicated! Heck, in the EU we've been observing most of them in the last years already. Most things are really straightforward. Things get complicated when your core business is making users' data available to third parties. But it's not different from any other business: if you want to make money in catering for example, you need to read and adhere to relevant laws, too.
- VMG 8y agoIs an IP address PII or not? I have read multiple different interpretations today. Is a hash of an IP address PII?
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y agoIs this really that complex? If it can be linked to the individual, then it is. https://www.whitecase.com/publications/alert/court-confirms-ip-addresses-are-personal-data-some-cases https://www.whitecase.com/publications/alert/court-confirms-...