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Sort of like when Amazon entered cloud space. For PH it makes sense due to them already have infra to support it especially video streaming. The challenge wit

by gesman 8y ago

Sort of like when Amazon entered cloud space. For PH it makes sense due to them already have infra to support it especially video streaming. The challenge with privacy VPNs is a matter of trust.

chii 8y ago
I think if more peopled used TOR, and also ran public exit nodes and/or relays, it will work better than private VPN companies.
- berbec 8y ago
  Afaik, Tor is not recommended for high bandwidth activities like bittorrent and streaming. I'm sure it works, but probably would break the network if too much of it went on. I'd be happy to know this never was the case or changed. Its the reason I never got on the tor bandwagon.
  - jrs95 8y ago
    bittorrent as a protocol isn't even any more secure over Tor, so you're just taking up bandwidth on the network by using it. Direct downloads and streaming may be less of a concern, but it's probably too slow right now to really do streaming effectively.
  - skrowl 8y ago
    Trying to stream video over tor is a terrible experience, even if you stay within tor onion sites and don't rely on the too-few-and-too-overloaded exit nodes
- gnode 8y ago
  The fundamental problem with this is that it's charity / freeloading. I don't mean this as an ethical complaint, just that the economic incentive isn't there. I could imagine cryptocurrency potentially offering a solution to this which solves both issues of trust and economics, but it would be a challenge to guarantee its security.
  - chii 8y ago
    it would be nice if TOR had reciprocity where a user using it will also donate some network bandwidth. But i guess that might not really work since it forces you to run an exit node, which is where the dangers of running TOR is currently.
    - gnode 8y ago
      That's not actually true; nodes can be non-exit and relay only. This helps insofar as to reduce the relaying load on the exits too.
  - BicyclRepairMan 8y ago
    I seem to remember implementations like this already being in formation. Jay Freeman (aka saurik) is working on one called Orchid with a handful of other big names IIRC. I think I read about it here on YC.
  - solarkraft 8y ago
    It would be easy to make the Tor browser also a tor node. This would unfortunately however have negative effects for users depending on secrecy, I think.
willstrafach 8y ago
> For PH it makes sense due to them already have infra to support it especially video streaming It is not their infrastructure. They appear to be using this white-label service according to code in the app (verified by looking at network traffic): https://wlvpn.com/ https://wlvpn.com/

by gesman 8y ago

Sort of like when Amazon entered cloud space. For PH it makes sense due to them already have infra to support it especially video streaming. The challenge with privacy VPNs is a matter of trust.

chii 8y ago

I think if more peopled used TOR, and also ran public exit nodes and/or relays, it will work better than private VPN companies.

berbec 8y ago
Afaik, Tor is not recommended for high bandwidth activities like bittorrent and streaming. I'm sure it works, but probably would break the network if too much of it went on. I'd be happy to know this never was the case or changed. Its the reason I never got on the tor bandwagon.
- jrs95 8y ago
  bittorrent as a protocol isn't even any more secure over Tor, so you're just taking up bandwidth on the network by using it. Direct downloads and streaming may be less of a concern, but it's probably too slow right now to really do streaming effectively.
- skrowl 8y ago
  Trying to stream video over tor is a terrible experience, even if you stay within tor onion sites and don't rely on the too-few-and-too-overloaded exit nodes
gnode 8y ago
The fundamental problem with this is that it's charity / freeloading. I don't mean this as an ethical complaint, just that the economic incentive isn't there. I could imagine cryptocurrency potentially offering a solution to this which solves both issues of trust and economics, but it would be a challenge to guarantee its security.
- chii 8y ago
  it would be nice if TOR had reciprocity where a user using it will also donate some network bandwidth. But i guess that might not really work since it forces you to run an exit node, which is where the dangers of running TOR is currently.
  - gnode 8y ago
    That's not actually true; nodes can be non-exit and relay only. This helps insofar as to reduce the relaying load on the exits too.
- BicyclRepairMan 8y ago
  I seem to remember implementations like this already being in formation. Jay Freeman (aka saurik) is working on one called Orchid with a handful of other big names IIRC. I think I read about it here on YC.
- solarkraft 8y ago
  It would be easy to make the Tor browser also a tor node. This would unfortunately however have negative effects for users depending on secrecy, I think.

willstrafach 8y ago

> For PH it makes sense due to them already have infra to support it especially video streaming It is not their infrastructure. They appear to be using this white-label service according to code in the app (verified by looking at network traffic): https://wlvpn.com/ https://wlvpn.com/