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It's unethical to give a piece of your company to an oppressive government like China's or anyone else involved in human rights violations.
by driverdan 8y ago
It's unethical to give a piece of your company to an oppressive government like China's or anyone else involved in human rights violations.
- megous 8y agoUS is involved in human rights violations too. So where does that logic leave us?
- Clubber 8y agoYes, the US certainly cannot claim the moral high ground any longer.
- nnash 8y agoOur country was built on genocide and slave labor, there was never a moral high ground.
- AlphaSite 8y agoI mean, yes it can. Its not a zero sum game, you can be bad in one area and good in another. Just don't forget your weaknesses.
- sametmax 8y agoWhich a lot of comments here prove they have forgot. I mean, the "we only attacked irak twice" is really something. And just because you are better on some part does not mean you should say "how come you can do such thing ?". We all do terrible things. You know how come. That's not making anything better.
- consumer451 8y agoWith all due respect, that sounds a bit like whataboutism. Or the false logic behind "I won't vote because I don't want to choose the lesser of two evils." It seems to me that once we reach adulthood we spend most days choosing the lesser the of two or more evils. While no country is perfect, the USA is still leaps and bounds ahead of China on human rights. As an example, what does the USA do that compares to this linked story? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/former-inmates-of-chinas-muslim-re-education-camps-tell-of-brainwashing-torture/2018/05/16/32b330e8-5850-11e8-8b92-45fdd7aaef3c_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/former-inm... edit: as an immigrant to the USA, I sometimes feel like I am much more appreciative of the relative freedoms in the USA than folks born here.
- DmenshunlAnlsis 8y agoWhile no country is perfect, the USA is still leaps and bounds ahead of China on human rights. As an example, what does the USA do that compares to this linked story? I don’t know how convinced I am by this any more. Between the many wars, the torture, and slavery in the largest prison system on Earth it’s harder to argue. I still don’t want to live in a China, but I don’t want to live in the US either.
- virmundi 8y agoThe difference lies in the citizens' ability to fix the problems. Florida, my state, has a problem with not returning voter rights to convicts once they get out. There is a group spearheading a correction. The governor isn't too keen to help, but the people can exert their will and correct the issue. Hard to do the same in China.
- DmenshunlAnlsis 8y agoIn China the power to “reform” an issue is in the hands of a very few political elites. In the US it’s in the hands of a very few wealthy elites. It’s true that you can hope to have some influence through lobbying in a way that would be unthinkable in China, but it requires connections and vast sums of money. If you try to challenge power structures in China directly they roll over you with tanks. The last time people em masse did the same in the US they were beaten, lynched, killed, jailed, firehosed and attacked with dogs.
- sametmax 8y agoWell, yes and no. It's true that the US is more an oligarchy that a democracy, but the people have the possibility to vote with their wallet. The US literally takes the direction its people choose to consume, because the corporation have so much power, and they are only interested in things they can sell.
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- lajhsdfkl 8y agoThe US does not own or control US companies.
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- buckminster 8y agoWhat is a National Security Letter?
- lajhsdfkl 8y agoI wish I could report comments like these. I can't even respond because your comment doesn't even say anything.
- Latteland 8y agoThe us govt can use these to try to intimidate companies but see how google, etc, resist them. see how apple refused to decrypt phones or add features the us govt wants to use to decrypt them. contrast that with china, that would never happen.
- make3 8y agoThis is a false equivalence, China is objectively much worse. At least America doesn't jail or kill its political activists and journalists, doesn't have what is effectively a dictator for life, doesn't directly control all media in the country, has a semblance of real democracy, doesn't keep it's states by threatening them with military action, doesn't overly and actively censor it's citizen (although it does spy on them).
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- api 8y agoWhataboutism is a powerful disease of modern discourse. Pretty soon we will start letting killers go because John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer killed more people. I think it arises from a misguided attempt at calling out hypocrisy, but the result is a race to the bottom where any other example negates any criticism. Nobody is perfect so if you have to be perfect to criticize no criticism is possible.
- ShabbosGoy 8y agoYou’re being far too charitable. There are instances of state actors hiring armies of shills that purposefully derail any criticism of their country. Not saying that’s the case here on HN, or in this particular thread. But it is still something to be aware of.
- sametmax 8y ago> I think it arises from a misguided attempt at calling out hypocrisy That's quite a good analysis. And it's literally the case here. OP was going all "white knight", being judgmental and saying how could people help such a bad country as China. Which is both a limited view and hypocrisy at it's finest. I'm veggie, but I don't stop being friends with meat eating people, although I do consider it something cruel. The world is not black and white. It's not because we don't know it's not a proper civilized argument. It's because it was not meant to be an argument in the first place. Just a way to keep OP in check. But yeah, that's a big fail.
- auganov 8y agoI don't think the US is involved in mass imprisonment [0] and organ harvesting [1] of innocent people. We're talking about hundreds of thousands being locked up for holding beliefs the CCP doesn't like. And it's happening today. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...
- fulafel 8y agoUS is pretty bad re imprisonment: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarce...
- pietroglyph 8y agoThe difference is that, generally, the US doesn't imprison people because of what they say.
- pizza 8y agoThe US will however airstrike your wedding reception, or your hospital, or your school, etc. based on bad information.
- Zafira 8y agoPlease don't start doing whataboutism.
- Sangermaine 8y agoIf we're talking about private American VCs, the "logic" doesn't apply. Your comment would only apply if we were talking about US government investment. The problem with your comment is that in China there isn't a public/private divide, or it's very blurry.
- mc32 8y agoSince it's all the same, maybe we should advocate the US pursue the same tactics and methods the CCP utilizes --I bet if the US went that route, people would not say, whelp, there is no difference, yeah, I welcome us becoming more like the Chinese gov't. There may be some tiny overlap in some areas, but in my estimation, it's massively and significantly different and equivocating is highly misleading.
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