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Agreed 100%. We only think cheating is only "wrong" because it goes against how the people who set up the educational system intend for it to work, e.g. they a
by eecsninja 8y ago
Agreed 100%.
We only think cheating is only "wrong" because it goes against how the people who set up the educational system intend for it to work, e.g. they are short circuiting the system. It has no counterpart in the real world, and cannot be compared to murder and theft. If it were up to me, I'd make the school system results-only -- i.e. it's about how well you can build a project and explain it, not how well you can write up answers.
People who think otherwise need to wake up from their K-12-university programming.
And in case anyone thinks I'm an uneducated redneck, I am an Asian American overachiever with two engineering degrees from world-renowned universities.
- nradov 8y agoA results-only education system would be preferable and would make some forms of cheating irrelevant. But it suffers from practical cost and scalability obstacles. We're already struggling to adequately fund public education. Are politicians willing to budget for additional teachers to evaluate student projects rather than relying on cheap and simple exams?
- eecsninja 8y agoMaybe not, but companies are capable of assessing prospective employees. For the sake of my future children, that's all that matters to me. Fuck academia.
- cirgue 8y agoIf you think the only important part of your children’s future is their ability to get hired, then you’re already setting them up for a life of misery and disappointment.
- eecsninja 8y agoIf you think the only important part of your children's education is what happens inside the walls of schools, then you're already setting them up for a life of mediocrity and servitude.
- mwfunk 8y agoWhy not do both? Learn your amazing life lessons outside of school and couple them with learning everything you can inside school. Why limit yourself? Why go out of your way to diminish your own value? It doesn’t make sense. That’s how people end up in lives of mediocrity and servitude- they make self-destructive life choices that they rationalize by wrapping them up in some sort of bogus heroic narrative that they literally only came with to make them feel less bad about themselves. There’s nothing wrong with failure, right up until someone decides to not learn from their failures, and enshrines them instead because it’s a lot less work and it feels better. I’ve been there and it sucks. There is no pot of gold at the end of that rainbow.
- eecsninja 8y agoThanks for sharing, and for pointing out that it's ultimately about self-improvement. I'd upvote you more if I could.
- jamespo 8y agoexcept he didn't say "all that matters to me" unlike your overblown hyperbole
- isostatic 8y agoOf course the point of schools and college isn't the final exam, it's the years of learning you benefit from while being there At least it should be
- pbhjpbhj 8y ago>I am an Asian American overachiever with two engineering degrees from world-renowned universities. // .. and as cheating isn't wrong in your personal ethical system you're happy to lose your job to someone who claims to be better qualified than you but is just cheating to get ahead? I don't know what engineering you do but I don't think society should value engineers as highly who know something is wrong but can't explain it and so don't get it fixed. "Soft" skills matter.