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Actually, the new gmail is: https://protonmail.com/ https://protonmail.com/
by ankitank 8y ago
Actually, the new gmail is: https://protonmail.com/ https://protonmail.com/
- kroberton 8y agoAgreed. And: https://tutanota.com/ https://tutanota.com/ Gmail used to be good alright, but then it started to ask for my phone number all the time. I've switched to Tutanota recently, much better IMO, particularly the new client: https://mail.tutanota.com/ https://mail.tutanota.com/
- Promarged 8y agoI just tested tutanota. The interface is clean and nice but the encryption to external contacts is the same as in Gmail (link back to tutanota and shared passwords). Why can't these services use something like OpenPGP's Web Key Discovery [0] fetching key from https://domain.com/.well-known/openpgp/hu/hash-for-localpart https://domain.com/.well-known/openpgp/hu/hash-for-localpart and avoid links altogether? [0]: https://www.gnupg.org/blog/20160830-web-key-service.html https://www.gnupg.org/blog/20160830-web-key-service.html
- kroberton 8y agoAvoiding links is the ultimate goal, hopefully Tutanota will integrate your suggestion or something similar. I've moved my entire family to Tutanota, which also works quite well. But you'll never convince everybody... As far as I know self-destruct emails in Gmail are not end-to-end encrypted.
- Boulth 8y agoGood to hear, I'm also interested in that (hushmail, mailbox.org also use link backs). Is there an issue tracker or a mailing list where one can subscribe and see when this would be available?
- amelius 8y agoIs it open-source like protonmail?
- kroberton 8y agoYep: https://github.com/tutao/tutanota/ https://github.com/tutao/tutanota/ Devs say they want to publish the app on F-Droid. https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/secure-mail-open-source https://tutanota.com/blog/posts/secure-mail-open-source
- Boulth 8y agoDid I get this right: the client is open source while the service that works in the backend and does 80% of the job is closed source?
- bbbobbb 8y agoThe design with multiple domains is pretty annoying. So I register bob@tutanota.com but forget to register bob@tutanota.de and anybody can squat it and impersonate me from the same service? Not to mention they blocked my IP after registering 3 of the 5 available domains.
- wink 8y agoSame problem with the old GMX. "was that john.doe@gmx.de or john.doe@gmx.net" - I get it, people should be able to differentiate, but they're really not.
- kroberton 8y agoI'm using my own domain anyway. When your last name is your domain, it gets impossible to impersonate you with any free service. And as it's only 1 Euro, it's also cheap and easy.
- drwu 8y agoI would use tutanota if they could change a simpler domain. When I wake up on the second morning after I've registered an email account, it was impossible for me to remember whether the domain was tunanota, notatuna, nonanuta or tutanote...
- timwis 8y agoDoes it intelligently separate "promotions", "updates", and "forums" emails so you can focus on emails that are actually conversations? I used fastmail for a while and it didn't do this, and it was _so_ much harder to keep up on my inbox that I switched back to gmail :/
- alphydan 8y agoInteresting. This is the single feature I hate most about gmail. It keept misclassifying important emails and I missed deadlines for taxes, payments, etc. I ended up having to read "All-mail" to avoid missing stuff.
- rickdg 8y agoNeeds something like ProtonMail Bridge for Android, maybe integrated with ProtonVPN.
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- peatmoss 8y agoI recently moved my stuff to / paid a year of Fastmail. I gather Protonmail puts security features a bit more front-and-center. How about the UX? Can anyone comment on how they like the over all experience of Protonmail as compared to Fastmail? I realize I could sign up a Protonmail account and compare, but I’m not sure I’d get a good picture of the service through casual use. I like Fastmail quite a lot so far, but I’m open to reevaluating in a year’s time.
- blairbeckwith 8y agoLack of POP/IMAP is a big, major con. You're forced to use their web or native interfaces. They don't make this super obvious outside of an FAQ on their site. I signed up and then found out. I wonder how much churn that causes them.
- peatmoss 8y agoOh my, yes, that’s a huge downside / nonstarter for me. Thank you.
- zyrthofar 8y agoI was about to switch in a couple of weeks, until I read your comment. How would encrypted emails work in a client like Thunderbird? Would it normally be handled correctly if POP/IMAP was available?
- peatmoss 8y agoThis is the grand problem with email. At least two standards exist: PGP & SMIME But... those aren’t particularly friendly and thus aren’t widely used. The main usability issue is a fundamental one, namely that management of crypto keys is hard. Hearing that Protonmail requires their own client suggests to me that they’ve given up on the standards due to usability issues, and have instead adopted a managed key model like Apple’s iMessage. iMessage is end-to-end encrypted, but Apple manages keys on your behalf. It’s not a bad compromise between privacy and usability depending on your threat model. But, at this point I’m deeply suspicious of anything that isn’t standards based or that locks me into a particular vendor’s software. I’m therefore skeptical that we’ll satisfactorily solve email privacy for a majority of people in my lifetime. EDIT: Thunderbird would work with Fastmail for encryption using PGP or SMIME (at least I think Thunderbird supports SMIME). Protonmail wouldn’t work, I’d guess.
- tambre 8y agoHardly a choice for me, as it has exactly zero IPv6 support. Not to mention, that they haven't even bothered to enable HTTP/2.
- crispinb 8y agoAm I right that services like tutanota & protonmail don't support email migration? That's an extreme regression from standard email. Doesn't it make them largely useless except for burner account use?