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US Military Scientists Generate Voices Remotely via Laser
- bitumen 9y agoI’m still pretty sure that they’re mostly paranoid schizophrenics, but this is more or less what “targeted individuals” claim is being done to them. Technology makes it harder and harder to reach delusional people, when their delusions become technically possible. How bizarre!
- Voyage_wanderer 9y agoThe problem is that once you walked over the line into psychosis, it is extremely difficult to come back to “normal reality”. Human’s psycho is very fragile thing. The weaponry basically creates an army of people who lost the boundaries of normalcy. It is not good....
- bitumen 9y agoGood point, and that’s definitely why early intervention and prevention is the preferred modality for treatment of psychosis. This is weaponizing the opposite of that, for “crowd control” I guess.
- Retric 9y agoIt's actually surprisingly easy to slip back and forth between psychosis and not. Which is the problem as you can't subjectivity tell one from the other.
- OrganicMSG 9y agoOn the other hand, the already disturbed could be far more resilient to this actually being used as they already knew that this was going on and were hearing voices anyway.
- EGreg 9y agoI remember around 2004 walking around NYC subway you'd see the usual guy talking to himself -- but wait, no -- he was on a cellphone! That was a funny transition.
- tejtm 9y ago... guy talking to hiscelf -- I still wonder every time
- mistermann 9y agoThere's a fair amount of talk on this sort of thing on /r/conspiracy, around stories like the latest school shooter, on various antidepressants, being well known to authorities, numerous calls to law enforcement but no one will do anything. I have no idea if any of it is true, but this sort of thing being in the news doesn't cool speculation either.
- FeepingCreature 9y agoIf you're mentally healthy, and the government is genuinely beaming voices in your ears, what happens if you take antipsychotics?
- 3131s 9y agoI had the same though when I first read about the microwave auditory effect: "In his experiments, the subjects were discovered to be able to hear appropriately pulsed microwave radiation, from a distance of a few inches to hundreds of feet from the transmitter. [...] According to Frey, the induced sounds were described as 'a buzz, clicking, hiss, or knocking, depending on several transmitter parameters, i.e., pulse width and pulse-repetition rate'. By changing transmitter parameters, Frey was able to induce the 'perception of severe buffeting of the head, without such apparent vestibular symptoms as dizziness or nausea'." "In 1975, an article by neuropsychologist Don Justesen discussing radiation impacts on human perceptions referred to an experiment by Joseph Sharp and Mark Grove at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research during which Sharp and Grove reportedly were able to recognize 9 out of 10 words transmitted by 'voice modulated microwaves'." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect
- looeee 9y agoWhat did those disembodied voices do to deserve being shot?
- jessaustin 9y agoThe title has serious issues. Why not "US Military Scientists Generate Voices Remotely via Laser"?
- dang 9y agoYes. We'll use that. Thanks!
- LifeLiverTransp 9y agoWow- one step closer - two Laser interacting generate Plasma. Now you can print 3dimensional plasma into mid air- now all you need is a lightning, and you printed a space-gun coil-gun/launchloop into mid air. Who cares about crowdcontroll if we can go to space for cheap.
- loup-vaillant 9y agoThe energies required may not be cheap…
- LifeLiverTransp 9y agoWasnt there this spot on the planet with constant thunderstorms? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYVWb_QgQwU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYVWb_QgQwU
- throwawaylalala 9y agoCheck out the Dolphin attack recently discussed RE Cuba.
- bitumen 9y agoLasers are strictly line-of-sight, and don’t go through walls. Laser would make a poor candidate, and wouldn’t cause brain damage.
- ineedasername 9y agoSo pretty soon it will be cheap and easy to shoot voices into people's heads... what could go wrong!
- azernik 9y ago"Both the U.S. military and the U.S. Intelligence Community would undoubtedly love to have the ability to direct disconcerting or false messages out of thin air at the enemy or even a particular individual, such as a terrorist leader. They might mistake the experience for some sort of divine intervention or a deteriorating mental condition." This is total BS. Successful terrorists leaders, even religious ones, are not clueless primitives - they've grown up with the usual array of technology (even if it's the cheap versions affordable in poor countries), and often make sophisticated user of it when planning and executing their missions. usually sophisticated users of technology, and . Once this project is common knowledge, they'll be reminded that the US knows where they are, but they won't jump to supernatural explanations.
- Spooky23 9y agoWho says this is a technology that gets used alone? See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Quinuclidinyl_benzilate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Quinuclidinyl_benzilate
- jMyles 9y agoSince the WikiPedia article dosn't say much about the effects of this compound, here's a summary on Erowid: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/bz/bz_article1.shtml https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/bz/bz_article1.shtml It's the height of shame that the US government has considered dosing people (and perhaps has dosed people) with this compound.
- flyGuyOnTheSly 9y agoReading that account on Erowid was downright distressing. Iirc, BZ was created following "failures" in the MKULTRA experiments. Scary times.
- therein 9y agoSounds horrible overall but I found this part interesting. > One intriguing finding is the frequent report by subjects, both during and after recovery from the drug experience, of the illusion of red coloration of the skin, both their own and that of undrugged personnel who are with them. One or two individuals have thought their hands were bleeding when washing them under the tap. Whether this is an optical phenomenon related in some way to engorgement of retinal blood vessels or is central in origin is not known. Reminded me of one's own (and other's) skin looks to be very `crocodile-like` and almost as if you can see all the veins underneath it when one is under the influence of DMT. Found the following to be a quite amusing way to put it: > [The] particular concatenations and distortions of language elements are almost impossible to imitate – they seem to result from an extreme loosening of the entire verbal associative system. As such, they may create a humorous effect,since the shift is so rapid and unpredictable that at times their remarks have the flavor of creativity and wit (the things that subjects say and do, in fact, are often very funny and it is sometimes difficult to keep from laughing at their antics, professional standards of decorum notwithstanding). > During severe delirium, attempts to clarify the intended communication by asking the subject to repeat or explain something are usually futile. It does not do good to say 'What do you mean by that?' because the subject does not know what he said, does not really grasp the question and my not realize what he is saying when he answers.
- yorby 9y agonon-lethal, but it can burn your retina or even your shirt...
- syshum 9y agoI thought developing weapons for maiming (which Blinding is) was considered Unethical and Bared by many international treaties...
- adventured 9y agoNo. You only get into trouble if your weapons are specifically designed to blind. Eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_on_Blinding_Laser_Weapons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_on_Blinding_Laser_Wea...
- stevenwoo 9y agoBlinding can't be the primary objective - so make sure your laser weapons are strong enough to burn a hole in your military target's head to abide by my non lawyer reading of this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Certain_Conventional_Weapons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Certain_Conventi...
- syshum 9y agoOhh Goody... This will not be abused at all. No No...
- kosei 9y agoThe idea of sending the sound of gunfire into a peaceful rally with armed cops nearby is frightening.
- partiallypro 9y agoHow so? It can already be done with anything, like a firecracker. Cops at protests are use to it loud noises. I'm not saying cops are good or bad, just that I don't see how this in particular is all that troubling. Cops aren't generally (in the West) going to fire live ammunition into an open crowd. Generally they will use rubber bullets or things that disperse the crowd.
- Hermit_Country 9y ago> The idea of sending the sound of gunfire into a peaceful rally with armed cops nearby is frightening. William Burroughs circa 1970 on using portable tape recorders for the same effect: AS A FRONT LINE WEAPON TO PRODUCE AND ESCALATE RIOTS There is nothing mystical about this operation. Riot sound effects can produce an actual riot in a riot situation. RECORDED POLICE WHISTLES WILL DRAW COPS. RECORDED GUNSHOTS, AND THEIR GUNS ARE OUT. Here is a run of the mill, pre-riot situation. Protesters have been urged to demonstrate peacefully, police and guardsmen to exercise restraint. Ten tape recorders strapped under their coats, playback, and record controlled from lapel buttons. They have prerecorded riot sound effects from Chicago, Paris, Mexico City, Kent/Ohio. If they adjust sound levels of recordings to surrounding sound levels, they will not be detected. Police scuffle with the demonstrators. http://www.poetspath.com/transmissions/messages/burroughs.html http://www.poetspath.com/transmissions/messages/burroughs.ht...
- woweeeee 9y agoOkay, I don’t like the future anymore. Can we go backwards through time yet? We’re supposed to be the country that’s against the cruel and unusual shit.
- bigbluedots 9y agoSorry, you stopped being the 'good guys' sometime shortly after WW2.
- Shepardout 9y agokids, google MKULTRA, I am one; google Montauk and time travel; I ws there; it is real; watch Gaia Corry Goode to fet a concept of Alien Agenda and disclosure. These weapons ARE REAL! Google DUMBS, deep underground military bases; Trump announced a Space Force vis USAF; MARS is colonized; bases on MOON, NASA's job is to lie about Alien presence.. Google Tesla; Vannevar Bush...MUFON see how many UFOs reported for every sighting hundreds go unreported... DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH... put on big boy pants...
- booleandilemma 9y agoCombine this with tech that can mimic your own voice and it gets really weird. https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/610386/a-new-algorithm-can-mimic-your-voice-with-just-snippets-of-audio/ https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/610386/a-new-a...
- Thibodeau 9y agoOr anyone else’s voice. Someone on the phone waiting for nuclear launch code verification never gets the right code, even though it’s a familiar voice on the line. Or damaging a competitor’s business relationships with opportunistically broadcasted lewd comments, when people aren’t looking at each other’s faces enough to see their mouths move.
- alphastar010 9y agoFrom what I saw in the video, there was nothing really impressive about this technology (shooting a laser at a log). Tech Readiness level 4 at the MOST.
- jcims 9y agoIsn't this just an audio modulated version of this: http://www.physicscentral.com/explore/action/femtosecond-hologram.cfm http://www.physicscentral.com/explore/action/femtosecond-hol... (it's hard to find a version of this with the original audio intact, it makes a crackling sound just like the video above) Here's one from 10 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HHJhpStza0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HHJhpStza0 So not really new tech, just a weird application of it.
- jcims 9y agohaha - https://youtu.be/ML79u9zPZu4?t=2m47s https://youtu.be/ML79u9zPZu4?t=2m47s
- pcf 9y agoKate Bush sang about this in 1986, in "Experiment IV": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTUcoR8_pyE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTUcoR8_pyE
- goldenkey 9y agoKeep in mind that these "Active Denial Systems" have been abused in torturing prisoners in LA county, in some cases to near death. https://youtu.be/t4lS7nlR_BY https://youtu.be/t4lS7nlR_BY https://www.courthousenews.com/man-says-l-a-jailers-shot-him-with-heat-ray/ https://www.courthousenews.com/man-says-l-a-jailers-shot-him...
- John_KZ 9y agoAnd they will get abused in the future. It's freaking me out when there's so little resistance or even negative comments on the development and adoption of such systems. This is something you'd expect the Nazis or Franco to celebrate, not United States.
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- chestervonwinch 9y agoNot looking forward to this being combined with targeted advertising.
- scandox 9y agoThe Inaudible Man from BBC4’s The Mausoleum Club: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007k1w6 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007k1w6
- aj7 9y agoKnow why this is released to the public? Because the work is garbage. And it wasn’t cheap to do it either. Just see what it costs to purchase a KM Labs Dragon laser system. At any one time, there’s a huge amount of military research done at scattered, small labs. A guy gets good at writing contract proposals. He hangs out a shingle and gets a $250k-$1M contract. He hires some down-in-their-luck laser physicist(s) or the equivalent who had weak thesis topics, or who want to learn how to do this business themselves. A few people make nice salaries. The work is quickly forgotten. Rinse and repeat.
- MR4D 9y agoWonder what will happen to this technology when Facebook gets hold of it. Voices from all the friends you’ve ever called or texted appearing out of nowhere? Scary stuff.