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You go to SF to launch your career then GTFO ASAP to a less 'enlightened' part of the US where you don't have to worry about hyper sensitivity and your dollar a
by dokem 9y ago
You go to SF to launch your career then GTFO ASAP to a less 'enlightened' part of the US where you don't have to worry about hyper sensitivity and your dollar actually counts for something.
- Consultant32452 9y agoHow does SF compare to LA? I've only been to LA within the last few years and it was a shithole. The whole city smelled like pot 24/7. There were more homeless/destitute people there than some 3rd world countries I've visited. I don't think I'll be visiting California again any time soon, no matter what Schwarzenegger says in the commercials.
- EggsOnToast 9y agoI can't speak for LA, but from the people I've spoken with Seattle and -maybe- Austin have the strongest ratio of tech work vs. cost of living.
- tytytytytytytyt 9y agoSeattle is pretty nice, especially if you can ignore the random junkies and homeless tent and RV encampments around town.
- Consultant32452 9y agoOh no, the last time I visited Seattle was in 2010. Has it gone to shit since then?
- EggsOnToast 9y agoI might be jaded but this sort've depends on your point of view. I grew up in San Diego, would weekend with friends in LA, and I've got family across the country. Most large cities that don't have overly deadly weather seem to have a visible homeless population.
- stagbeetle 9y agoSeattle's so full, it's budding into Portland.
- Teeer 9y agoNowadays LA is much worse than SF in terms of homeless people.
- freejulian 9y agoWhat nonsense. Sure, the valley can teach you some new JavaScript frameworks and how to best invade your users privacy to sell ads, but real programming happens everywhere. There’s plenty of ways to launch your career without working for Zuckerberg or Bezos.
- stagbeetle 9y agoI ask for one (1) example, that does not include any software hubs that mimic the valley (this includes Austin, New York, Boston, and Seattle, but is not limited to), that has an equal, or close to equal, impact on your career in comparison to the Bay Area. The only thing the valley has going for it is the saturation of talent and people who hire talent. The bad, is that without it it's got nothing to really show for itself (save a few niche items). The good, is the lack of any other notable qualities is overshadowed by the overcompensation of the only ones it has.
- freejulian 9y agoCitadel, located in Chicago. You guys out west are so smug it’s unbelievable.
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- stagbeetle 9y agoThe topic was tech careers. I don't believe Citadel does any algo/prop work that could fall under the umbrella of tech. Off-topic: I'm from the East and #FreeMadix
- freejulian 9y agoYou’re just in denial now, you’ve clearly had plenty of the Valley’s koolaid. It’s hilarious that you don’t think the worlds largest market maker isn’t doing “algo/prop work that could fall under the umbrella of tech.” Don’t be afraid to leave your bubble.
- stale2002 9y agoIt depends. The big X tech companies, and hot unicorns in the bay area pay crazy salaries for engineers. 3k a month doesn't seem too bad when you are making 200k+, which is close to ~triple what you'd make in some rando mid sized city. Working for the average SF startup though? Yeah, you'd be better off somewhere else.
- Apocryphon 9y agoAnd yet, the housing market still makes buying prohibitive in that same region.
- BadassFractal 9y agoAre that many SF tech workers making over 200 grand a year?
- stale2002 9y agoThe ones at the big tech companies and hot unicorns are. The ones at your rando tech startup are not.
- pmorici 9y agoI hope so. If they aren’t then they would be better off finding work in some other part of the country.
- vladimirkon 9y agoPretty sure that not too many. Some do, but again, most are capped at about 180k (that if with 7+ years of experience) For some stock options make a difference, but again, that is if you're lucky
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- solotronics 9y agoWhenever I look at cost of living comparison it doesn't seem advantageous to me to be in SV unless you get lucky on equity ( how do you even measure that? ). $150k in Dallas is something like $265k in San Francisco. And I would think in SF your housing would be pitiful compared to the midwest at $3k/month mortgage. Engineers at my company can make upwards of $300k in Dallas and that gives a standard of living thats comparable to making $1m in the valley which is probably pretty rare.