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Google Sued by Ex-Recruiter Alleging Anti-White, Asian Bias
- burglecut 9y agoPrevious thread from a similar article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16497551 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16497551
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoThat one could have been flagged off the front page, these kind of discussions are tricky to keep civil. This one will probably be flagged out in a similar manner.
- hnaccy 9y agoIs that an automated process? The comment section didn't strike as being particularly uncivil. Seems odd that both that and the post about google's poorly implemented gun filter were removed from front page.
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoIt is hard to tell, in this case if you are curious I would just ask dang directly.
- lambdasquirrel 9y agoI don’t know. As an Asian male, do I want to work with just other Asian males or white males?
- wavefunction 9y agoWhy would you ask us?
- hackits 9y agoConfirmation bias?
- shard972 9y agoDo you? You mention you are asian so would you prefer working in an office with 100% ethnic asians or 100% ethnic indian. Even just assume that both are culturally citizens of the country.
- adambatkin 9y agoThe article has nothing to do with who you want to work with. The allegation is that Google was systematically dismissing candidates who fell into a certain (protected) class, from being even considered at a certain stage of the interview process. That's illegal.
- yters 9y agoIf so, and they are better, just band together and create the next Google.
- poster123 9y agoThat is a libertarian argument for not having anti-discrimination laws. But if we do have such laws, they should applied on behalf of all races and both sexes, lest we create categories of second-class citizens.
- discoursism 9y agoI don't know if this guy has taken a look around, but Google is like 75% white and Asian males, and 25% everyone else. That might even be slightly generous. It skews even more for those in power. Doesn't seem like these classes are having any trouble succeeding at the company. It might not be hard to convince a jury that it would be 80 or 85% if Google stopped all pro-diversity measures. It might be hard to convince them to penalize Google for it, though. (FWIW, I'm on a team that consists solely of white and Asian males, and everyone on my chain is a white or Asian male, all the way to the top.)
- poster123 9y agoIf it can be shown that Google refused to interview certain candidates because of their race or sex, that is illegal discrimination, regardless of the demographics of Google's workforce.
- discoursism 9y agoYeah, I'll be surprised if that can actually be shown, but I guess it wouldn't be the first time I've been surprised.
- IshKebab 9y agoI mean, an email explicitly saying "We should only consider L3s from our underrepresented groups" seems pretty clear no? Or did you not read the article?
- discoursism 9y agoI see that there is a claim that such an email exists. I don't think this has actually been established yet. Even if this email was sent, I expect that either we'll find that in context it wasn't exclusionary (e.g. the group in question was to be dedicated to hiring from underrepresented groups, while other groups handled candidates from all backgrounds), or we'll find that it was in contravention to Google's policies on the issue. We'll also eventually learn that objecting to this email was not why the plaintiff was fired. That's my expectation.
- dcposch 9y agoHiring a diverse team can be great in lots of ways. Especially for a global product, like many of the ones Google provides, you want a product team that can understand the lived experiences of a rich and varied user base. Diversity means many things, not just gender and ethnicity. Some of the biggest blind spots I’ve noticed in Silicon Valley companies come from lack of diversity in age and class. Diversity should be about inclusion, not about exclusion. All people involved in hiring should understand the (common-sense, in my opinion) boundaries set by the Civil Rights Act. Regardless of what you might think when reading certain parts of tumblr or twitter, “only accept new L3 candidates that are from historically underrepresented groups” is not forward thinking or progressive. To the extent that it is what it appears to be—slightly coded language for filtering resumes based on gender and race—it’s illegal. There are so many brilliant people out there, often overlooked. Graduates from un-fancy colleges. Engineers a few years from retirement, but unsatisfied with their current job. A high school contest coder looking for an internship. A person from a poor family who bootstrapped thru community college. To me, diversity is about taking the extra effort to find excellence everywhere, rather than just looking in the default places.
- FreekNortier 9y agoGoogle fighting against The Bell Curve.
- AstralStorm 9y agoNah, racial distribution in tech graduates in US is heavily skewed. It is not even close to bell curve. If they actually want diversity they should fix the problems at source not discriminate.
- FreekNortier 9y agoWhat is the "source" according to you?