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The difference is that US lures people to move and eventually become citizens. China want's people to work there, transfer the technology and go away. It's bas

The difference is that US lures people to move and eventually become citizens. China want's people to work there, transfer the technology and go away. It's basically impossible to naturalize as Chinese citizen even if you marry a local and live there for decades. Japanese are strict in immigration but they take ten times more immigrants than China. Only about 1000 people get Chinese passport per year.

t1o5 9y ago
If a 10 year wait time for greencards and restricting the H4 spouses of those skilled visa workers to work legally is not a carrot, then yes US is doing a great job attracting and retaining talents. I went behind the carrot for 3 years and then immigrated to Canada. My spouse has dignity now and she is a full time employee just like me earning a very good salary. In US, she lost all her confidence,dignity and was depressed because she was "not allowed" to work though she was a post graduate degree holder. Any skilled workers who care about their H4 spouses should do the same. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/visa-bulletin/2018/visa-bulletin-for-february-2018.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/v... https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2017/01/28/green-card-applicants-waiting-forever-told-keep-waiting/#2cb60e411656 https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2017/01/28/green... http://h4-visa-a-curse.blogspot.ca/p/home.html http://h4-visa-a-curse.blogspot.ca/p/home.html https://qz.com/797831/the-h4-visa-and-the-desperation-of-indian-housewives-in-america/ https://qz.com/797831/the-h4-visa-and-the-desperation-of-ind...
- adventured 9y ago
  One million people get green cards each year in the US. Immigrants and their children are now 27% of the US population. Show me the numbers on China. And if you want to talk about Canada and dignity. Why is Canada only 1% hispanic? Because they restrict immigration overwhelmingly by skill. If you can't meet their skill-based requirements, you're very unlikely to get in. How's that for treating people with dignity? The US has ~46 million immigrants currently, ten million more people than the entire population of Canada.
  - t1o5 9y ago
    > One million people get green cards each year in the US. Is a blanket statement. The topic is about skilled immigration. Majority of US green cards are family based. Source here: https://www.us-immigration.com/how-many-immigration-applications-filed-each-year/ https://www.us-immigration.com/how-many-immigration-applicat... > Immigrants and their children are now 27% of the US population. Immigrants from 1800s maybe ? > Show me the numbers on China. China has just started. I dont think there is any data yet. Even if there is, wont be easy to find. > Why is Canada only 1% hispanic? Because they restrict immigration overwhelmingly by skill. No they don't. They encourage both. Express Entry is for the skilled ones, family based quotas parents and siblings in addition to asylum and refugees. Isn't that how immigration is supposed to work ? > How's that for treating people with dignity? Canada have temporary worker visas similar to H1B. They issue the spouses of those temporary skilled workers with open work permit. Dignity & freedom from the day one they land in Canada. There are no carrots in Canada for temporary skilled workers. If you satisfy Express Entry points which you almost will, you can apply for permanent residence. Your permanent residence is not under the control of your employer master. Canadian employers cant threaten your Express Entry application. You wont have to wait 10 years or get kicked out of the queue if you change jobs or gets fired while being on H1B. Those who come to Canada as students get a post graduate work permit. No lotteries, no quotas and can apply to express entry and become residents unlike those unfortunate master degree holders who are at the mercy of their employer masters and waiting 10 years for their GreenCards. The fact that open work permits are issued for spouses of temporary skilled workers in Canada proves that temporary workers are treated with dignity in Canada than H1B workers in the US. Are the points above dignifying enough ?
Double_a_92 9y ago
> Only about 1000 people get Chinese passport per year. How did those people earn it? Or is it just lottery based?
- seanmcdirmid 9y ago
  They were probably former Chinese citizens or Chinese descendants. China is open to immigration for Han people; e.g. during the HK handover all Han living there were granted Chinese citizenship while all non-Han were not, leading to some HK residents without citizenship in any country.
  - mafribe 9y ago
    How do you establish Han-ness today, an ever shifting concept?
    - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
      It’s usually on your ID card and assigned at birth.
  - walshemj 9y ago
    which is illegal according to the UN
    - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
      They still have HK passports. It really depends if you think HK is its own country or not. The Chinese just have different answers depending on convenience.
gruez 9y ago
>Only about 1000 people get Chinese passport per year. i suspect that's a combination of han biased policy (as mentioned in a sibling comment), and the fact that nobody wants a chinese passport. china doesn't allow dual citizenships[1], so for a chinese with "western" citzenship, getting a chinese passport is a downgrade, unless you really sure that you want to stay in china. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality_law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality_law_of_the_People%...
- baybal2 9y ago
  I only heard of 1500 people to ever get Chinese passport through means other than marriage since 1998
antr 9y ago
I agree with your comment, but it still is dangling carrots. Some soft, some hard.

t1o5 9y ago

If a 10 year wait time for greencards and restricting the H4 spouses of those skilled visa workers to work legally is not a carrot, then yes US is doing a great job attracting and retaining talents. I went behind the carrot for 3 years and then immigrated to Canada. My spouse has dignity now and she is a full time employee just like me earning a very good salary. In US, she lost all her confidence,dignity and was depressed because she was "not allowed" to work though she was a post graduate degree holder. Any skilled workers who care about their H4 spouses should do the same. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/visa-bulletin/2018/visa-bulletin-for-february-2018.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/v... https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2017/01/28/green-card-applicants-waiting-forever-told-keep-waiting/#2cb60e411656 https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2017/01/28/green... http://h4-visa-a-curse.blogspot.ca/p/home.html http://h4-visa-a-curse.blogspot.ca/p/home.html https://qz.com/797831/the-h4-visa-and-the-desperation-of-indian-housewives-in-america/ https://qz.com/797831/the-h4-visa-and-the-desperation-of-ind...

adventured 9y ago
One million people get green cards each year in the US. Immigrants and their children are now 27% of the US population. Show me the numbers on China. And if you want to talk about Canada and dignity. Why is Canada only 1% hispanic? Because they restrict immigration overwhelmingly by skill. If you can't meet their skill-based requirements, you're very unlikely to get in. How's that for treating people with dignity? The US has ~46 million immigrants currently, ten million more people than the entire population of Canada.
- t1o5 9y ago
  > One million people get green cards each year in the US. Is a blanket statement. The topic is about skilled immigration. Majority of US green cards are family based. Source here: https://www.us-immigration.com/how-many-immigration-applications-filed-each-year/ https://www.us-immigration.com/how-many-immigration-applicat... > Immigrants and their children are now 27% of the US population. Immigrants from 1800s maybe ? > Show me the numbers on China. China has just started. I dont think there is any data yet. Even if there is, wont be easy to find. > Why is Canada only 1% hispanic? Because they restrict immigration overwhelmingly by skill. No they don't. They encourage both. Express Entry is for the skilled ones, family based quotas parents and siblings in addition to asylum and refugees. Isn't that how immigration is supposed to work ? > How's that for treating people with dignity? Canada have temporary worker visas similar to H1B. They issue the spouses of those temporary skilled workers with open work permit. Dignity & freedom from the day one they land in Canada. There are no carrots in Canada for temporary skilled workers. If you satisfy Express Entry points which you almost will, you can apply for permanent residence. Your permanent residence is not under the control of your employer master. Canadian employers cant threaten your Express Entry application. You wont have to wait 10 years or get kicked out of the queue if you change jobs or gets fired while being on H1B. Those who come to Canada as students get a post graduate work permit. No lotteries, no quotas and can apply to express entry and become residents unlike those unfortunate master degree holders who are at the mercy of their employer masters and waiting 10 years for their GreenCards. The fact that open work permits are issued for spouses of temporary skilled workers in Canada proves that temporary workers are treated with dignity in Canada than H1B workers in the US. Are the points above dignifying enough ?

Double_a_92 9y ago

> Only about 1000 people get Chinese passport per year. How did those people earn it? Or is it just lottery based?

seanmcdirmid 9y ago
They were probably former Chinese citizens or Chinese descendants. China is open to immigration for Han people; e.g. during the HK handover all Han living there were granted Chinese citizenship while all non-Han were not, leading to some HK residents without citizenship in any country.
- mafribe 9y ago
  How do you establish Han-ness today, an ever shifting concept?
  - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
    It’s usually on your ID card and assigned at birth.
- walshemj 9y ago
  which is illegal according to the UN
  - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
    They still have HK passports. It really depends if you think HK is its own country or not. The Chinese just have different answers depending on convenience.

gruez 9y ago

>Only about 1000 people get Chinese passport per year. i suspect that's a combination of han biased policy (as mentioned in a sibling comment), and the fact that nobody wants a chinese passport. china doesn't allow dual citizenships[1], so for a chinese with "western" citzenship, getting a chinese passport is a downgrade, unless you really sure that you want to stay in china. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality_law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality_law_of_the_People%...

baybal2 9y ago
I only heard of 1500 people to ever get Chinese passport through means other than marriage since 1998

antr 9y ago

I agree with your comment, but it still is dangling carrots. Some soft, some hard.