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I grew up in Asia (though not China). A key difference in experience for most children who grow up there is that being academically excellent is usually admired
by nopinsight 9y ago
I grew up in Asia (though not China). A key difference in experience for most children who grow up there is that being academically excellent is usually admired, sometimes even revered, by peers. Recognition for academic merits is widespread among teachers, schools, parents, their acquaintances, and basically everyone in society.
The above atmosphere is especially intense in China where the seriousness of Gaokao (高考) derives from the long history of imperial examinations (科舉) since over a thousand years ago. Just as in the old days, academic merits can greatly impact one's socioeconomic position for life. [1]
The system originates from Confucianism, which is an ideology with deep influences across East Asia (China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan) and Singapore:
"Another new idea, that of meritocracy, led to the introduction of the imperial examination system in China. This system allowed anyone who passed an examination to become a government officer, a position which would bring wealth and honour to the whole family." [2]
From what I gather, this is not the case for American society. It is even embedded in language with pejorative terms like 'nerd', 'geek', and 'dork'. Yes, there are honor rolls but it doesn't seem like the kids honored are granted much social status by peers (Correct me if I'm wrong. I did not grow up in the US.). The top social groups belong to athletes, cheerleaders, and cool kids who devote their time to non-academic activites.
It is not surprising to see that these social factors, which have great influence on tweens and teens, may lead to weaker academic results for most students who do not have a chance to study and socialize in schools with more academic environment.
(It appears to me that Europe is somewhere inbetween the US and East Asia regarding this matter. If anyone from the US or Europe could comment, that would be quite informative.)
As a concrete effect, average American math level in high school is about 2-3 years behind their peers in developed Asia and also behind most of Europe. [3] This inevitably results in fewer students qualified to take 'hard' STEM majors in college and grad school. The US has been leading the world in science largely by the works of a minority of outstanding locals and a substantial immigration of global talent.
As China develops further and becomes able to train more students at home to their fullest potentials, as well as attracting back Chinese scientists who work abroad, it is not surprising their academic advantage may turn into a practical edge in scientific and technological development.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_examination
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism#Meritocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism#Meritocracy
[3] http://www.businessinsider.com/pisa-worldwide-ranking-of-math-science-reading-skills-2016-12 http://www.businessinsider.com/pisa-worldwide-ranking-of-mat...
- chillee 9y agoIt completely depends on the location. I'll believe that overall, China's education produces better students than the USA, and that overall, the attitude towards academic excellence is more positive. However, there's definitely pockets in the US from which a large part of the US academic elite come from for which it's not true that academic excellence isn't revered. A couple examples off the top of my head: The Palo Alto high school triangle, TJHSST, Exeter, the NY magnet school system, etc. A startling percentage of the US's top CS/math/physics talent comes from these schools. In my personal opinion, top students at these schools will perform better than top students in China. Although the high level of academic rigor in high schools in China raises the average ability, it also dampens the amount of time that the top students have for extracurricular activities.
- cjalmeida 9y ago"There are more people with genius IQ in China than people in the US". It doesn't help that high level math teaching is restricted to pockets of excellence. We just had a Fields medallist in Brazil. Yet we're in the bottom of the barrel when it comes to math teaching. We also share this disregard for 'nerds' as a society like the US
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoMost schools in China are absolutely horrible compared to the average US school. China compares its best schools (Shanghai) to America's average schools to look good in comparison, but they aren't digging through third tier+ cities for that. Couple that with education only being compulsory to the 9th grade in China, you are only in high school there if you want to be and can pay the price. Top students from China vs. top students from American would be an interesting study. Comparing top students to average students never really makes sense.
- chillee 9y agoErr, more accurately what I mean is comparing the students of equivalent wealth in the US and China. eg: the cities in China compared to most of the urban/city in the US. Of course, there's still the several hundred million of impoverished in China that have much worse education.