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Gamers who bend over for the sake of their hobby are a pathetic bunch. Linux has many, many great games, and if that's not enough supplement it with a PS4 or so

Gamers who bend over for the sake of their hobby are a pathetic bunch. Linux has many, many great games, and if that's not enough supplement it with a PS4 or something and you'll never be bored. Most professionals would have no problem using Linux for their needs. What applications are you suggesting aren't up to snuff?

unethical_ban 9y ago
Because the XBOX and PS and Switch are totally safe, open source products that respect personal information. Linux has more gaming than it did 5-10 years ago, but if someone wants to play a game at top performance on PC, you typically need to choose Windows.
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
  >Linux has more gaming than it did 5-10 years ago, but if someone wants to play a game at top performance on PC, you typically need to choose Windows. You can make an argument about the size of the respective platform's game libraries, but not about their performance. Games on Linux often perform as well as or better than Windows. There's no clear trend that suggests the performance of games on Linux are worse than on Windows. And even if it were, what good is 70 FPS over 60 FPS beyond pissing contests? You're limited by your display's refresh rate anyway.
  - falcolas 9y ago
    Many people use monitors with 144hz refresh rates. And increased FPS means you can turn graphics up, or enable more sophisticated anti-aliasing solutions, without impacting absolute performance.
    - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
      My point is that the difference isn't going to be enough to be meaningful. If your GPU can drive 144 FPS on your Windows install it can probably drive 144 FPS on your Linux install with the same graphics settings.
      - falcolas 9y ago
        I'm just noting why it's not "just a pissing contest". You're right that performance will be similar for games which were built with cross-OS compatibility in mind. But the differences in performance do matter.
    - wizbright 9y ago
      That's true, but also some companies cough Nvidia cough have drivers that aren't up to snuff with an OPEN SOURCE system. It's crazy that the software is FREE to access and really there would be no need to pay any real fees to develop better drivers for systems. AMD is one of the big players that has actually been working with the community to help support their cards.
    - jwagenet 9y ago
      This is not true: If you increase your target FPS to meet a monitor refresh rate, you must turn down your AA or other graphics settings to compensate when using the same hardware. Going from a 60 Hz to 144 Hz monitor more than doubles the FPS required for Vsync, which requires double the hardware performance to take advantage of the high refresh rate.
      - falcolas 9y ago
        If you have 160FPS on a 144hz monitor, you can turn things up. If you have 145FPS on a 144hz monitor, you can't. That's the only point I was trying to make there.
  - Alupis 9y ago
    More and more games are coming to Linux, for sure (I'm a huge fan of games on Linux!), but Linux still is missing the latest-and-greatest AAA titles... think the Call of Duty's, Battlefield's, Skyrim's, Fallout's, Wolfenstein's... and many many more.
    - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
      >think the Call of Duty's https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=33147 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... >Skyrim's https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=24749 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... >Fallout's https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=32863 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... >Wolfenstein's https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=31803 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI...
    - striking 9y ago
      Wine recently got a DX11 layer, so we're a lot closer to that than before.
      - Bl4ckb0ne 9y ago
        Source : https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk
    - nottorp 9y ago
      I find that as I grow older I'm less and less interested in the design-by-commitee AAA crap. The really interesting stuff is mostly in the small fry scene, and those tend to be cross platform. I do have a Windows install specifically for gaming, but I haven't booted it in ages. Edit: my main entertainment IS games.
      - taurath 9y ago
        My experience is most of the indy games coming out I’m interested in are windows only. Also really good games this generation like Divinity 2 have no Linux support
  - greenknight 9y ago
    Actually, competitive esports players consistently play at a higher refresh rate than what is displayed (CS:GO in particular).... the main reason is that the computer is computes the inputs at the framerate, regardless of whats shown on screen. This leads to a more responsive and fluid response to your input commands... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWSRTYV8e0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWSRTYV8e0
- wizbright 9y ago
  Even if a game performs better on PC, whose to say it isn't optimized? Some of Vavle's own games have performed better via the Linux build compared to Windows or Mac. It's also super sketchy to not be able to see what's fully happening in one's system.
  - monochromatic 9y ago
    How do you feel about the closed BIOS and Management Engine that underlie everything?
    - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
      Frustrated, and I rally against it too. My laptops run coreboot. But the difference between your closed BIOS and your closed OS is that most people actually can choose their OS, whereas fixing the BIOS problem is a much more difficult obstacle.
    - deleted 9y ago
      [deleted]
    - mykull 9y ago
      in my case, it makes me feel double-plus un-good. which is why I go to the trouble of killing the ME on any system I can, despite the at-best trivial impact of doing so.
mmagin 9y ago
Please recommend a Linux CAD program that's as easy to use and featureful as Fusion 360.
pjc50 9y ago
PS4 is also a closed ecosystem, far more so than PC gaming on Windows? Inevitably people end up with a requirement for some Windows program that trips up users or administrators in the workplace. Some workplaces (e.g. mine) are fully paid-up committed Microsoft shops where everyone has MSDN.
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
  >PS4 is also a closed ecosystem, far more so than PC gaming on Windows? Baby steps. I don't own a PS4 anyway, but I'm so tired of discussing Windows with people who whine about losing their games that I feel the need to specify an out.
  - gambiting 9y ago
    And I feel a need to point out that you behave like a jerk in this thread and well below the standard HN is known for. If you have a problem with Windows, that's fine, calling people pathetic is not.
  - emodendroket 9y ago
    "Just use Linux." "Well, maybe I would, but this program I use frequently is not available on Linux." "So? You shouldn't want to use that anyway." With a sales pitch like this I can't believe the Year of the Linux Desktop hasn't come to fruition yet.
Kagerjay 9y ago
There's a huge range of applications that are only macOS or windows only that are a miles better in everyway. For instance, apple's sketch. You won't find anything like it even on Windows. For instance, windows PC. You have a ton of native autohotkey applications for writing macros, powerful 3rd party file explorers like directoryOpus, etc. You can't play video games on it, naturally gamedevelopment is a hassle as well. You can't run CAD programs, etc
- badsectoracula 9y ago
  > You have a ton of native autohotkey applications for writing macros Note that you can do that with X11 too using tools like xbindkeys, xdotool, xnee, xrebind, wmctrl, etc.
  - emodendroket 9y ago
    Well, sure, and DirectX applications could all be written as OpenGL applications instead. But who's going to do that work?
Mononokay 9y ago
Okay, Mr. Stallman.
- CamperBob2 9y ago
  "Okay, Mr. Stallman, you've successfully forecast everything that's happened in computing over the last few years, and done so literally decades in advance, so thanks for that I guess, but please take off the tinfoil and go away now."

unethical_ban 9y ago

Because the XBOX and PS and Switch are totally safe, open source products that respect personal information. Linux has more gaming than it did 5-10 years ago, but if someone wants to play a game at top performance on PC, you typically need to choose Windows.

Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
>Linux has more gaming than it did 5-10 years ago, but if someone wants to play a game at top performance on PC, you typically need to choose Windows. You can make an argument about the size of the respective platform's game libraries, but not about their performance. Games on Linux often perform as well as or better than Windows. There's no clear trend that suggests the performance of games on Linux are worse than on Windows. And even if it were, what good is 70 FPS over 60 FPS beyond pissing contests? You're limited by your display's refresh rate anyway.
- falcolas 9y ago
  Many people use monitors with 144hz refresh rates. And increased FPS means you can turn graphics up, or enable more sophisticated anti-aliasing solutions, without impacting absolute performance.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
    My point is that the difference isn't going to be enough to be meaningful. If your GPU can drive 144 FPS on your Windows install it can probably drive 144 FPS on your Linux install with the same graphics settings.
    - falcolas 9y ago
      I'm just noting why it's not "just a pissing contest". You're right that performance will be similar for games which were built with cross-OS compatibility in mind. But the differences in performance do matter.
  - wizbright 9y ago
    That's true, but also some companies cough Nvidia cough have drivers that aren't up to snuff with an OPEN SOURCE system. It's crazy that the software is FREE to access and really there would be no need to pay any real fees to develop better drivers for systems. AMD is one of the big players that has actually been working with the community to help support their cards.
  - jwagenet 9y ago
    This is not true: If you increase your target FPS to meet a monitor refresh rate, you must turn down your AA or other graphics settings to compensate when using the same hardware. Going from a 60 Hz to 144 Hz monitor more than doubles the FPS required for Vsync, which requires double the hardware performance to take advantage of the high refresh rate.
    - falcolas 9y ago
      If you have 160FPS on a 144hz monitor, you can turn things up. If you have 145FPS on a 144hz monitor, you can't. That's the only point I was trying to make there.
- Alupis 9y ago
  More and more games are coming to Linux, for sure (I'm a huge fan of games on Linux!), but Linux still is missing the latest-and-greatest AAA titles... think the Call of Duty's, Battlefield's, Skyrim's, Fallout's, Wolfenstein's... and many many more.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
    >think the Call of Duty's https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=33147 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... >Skyrim's https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=24749 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... >Fallout's https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=32863 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI... >Wolfenstein's https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=31803 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iI...
  - striking 9y ago
    Wine recently got a DX11 layer, so we're a lot closer to that than before.
    - Bl4ckb0ne 9y ago
      Source : https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk
  - nottorp 9y ago
    I find that as I grow older I'm less and less interested in the design-by-commitee AAA crap. The really interesting stuff is mostly in the small fry scene, and those tend to be cross platform. I do have a Windows install specifically for gaming, but I haven't booted it in ages. Edit: my main entertainment IS games.
    - taurath 9y ago
      My experience is most of the indy games coming out I’m interested in are windows only. Also really good games this generation like Divinity 2 have no Linux support
- greenknight 9y ago
  Actually, competitive esports players consistently play at a higher refresh rate than what is displayed (CS:GO in particular).... the main reason is that the computer is computes the inputs at the framerate, regardless of whats shown on screen. This leads to a more responsive and fluid response to your input commands... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWSRTYV8e0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWSRTYV8e0
wizbright 9y ago
Even if a game performs better on PC, whose to say it isn't optimized? Some of Vavle's own games have performed better via the Linux build compared to Windows or Mac. It's also super sketchy to not be able to see what's fully happening in one's system.
- monochromatic 9y ago
  How do you feel about the closed BIOS and Management Engine that underlie everything?
  - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
    Frustrated, and I rally against it too. My laptops run coreboot. But the difference between your closed BIOS and your closed OS is that most people actually can choose their OS, whereas fixing the BIOS problem is a much more difficult obstacle.
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - mykull 9y ago
    in my case, it makes me feel double-plus un-good. which is why I go to the trouble of killing the ME on any system I can, despite the at-best trivial impact of doing so.

mmagin 9y ago

Please recommend a Linux CAD program that's as easy to use and featureful as Fusion 360.

pjc50 9y ago

PS4 is also a closed ecosystem, far more so than PC gaming on Windows? Inevitably people end up with a requirement for some Windows program that trips up users or administrators in the workplace. Some workplaces (e.g. mine) are fully paid-up committed Microsoft shops where everyone has MSDN.

Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
>PS4 is also a closed ecosystem, far more so than PC gaming on Windows? Baby steps. I don't own a PS4 anyway, but I'm so tired of discussing Windows with people who whine about losing their games that I feel the need to specify an out.
- gambiting 9y ago
  And I feel a need to point out that you behave like a jerk in this thread and well below the standard HN is known for. If you have a problem with Windows, that's fine, calling people pathetic is not.
- emodendroket 9y ago
  "Just use Linux." "Well, maybe I would, but this program I use frequently is not available on Linux." "So? You shouldn't want to use that anyway." With a sales pitch like this I can't believe the Year of the Linux Desktop hasn't come to fruition yet.

Kagerjay 9y ago

There's a huge range of applications that are only macOS or windows only that are a miles better in everyway. For instance, apple's sketch. You won't find anything like it even on Windows. For instance, windows PC. You have a ton of native autohotkey applications for writing macros, powerful 3rd party file explorers like directoryOpus, etc. You can't play video games on it, naturally gamedevelopment is a hassle as well. You can't run CAD programs, etc

badsectoracula 9y ago
> You have a ton of native autohotkey applications for writing macros Note that you can do that with X11 too using tools like xbindkeys, xdotool, xnee, xrebind, wmctrl, etc.
- emodendroket 9y ago
  Well, sure, and DirectX applications could all be written as OpenGL applications instead. But who's going to do that work?

Mononokay 9y ago

Okay, Mr. Stallman.

CamperBob2 9y ago
"Okay, Mr. Stallman, you've successfully forecast everything that's happened in computing over the last few years, and done so literally decades in advance, so thanks for that I guess, but please take off the tinfoil and go away now."