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The ability to smile is not necessarily connected to the meaning of a smile, though. The article seems to assume a connection between smiling and happiness that

The ability to smile is not necessarily connected to the meaning of a smile, though. The article seems to assume a connection between smiling and happiness that isn't necessarily supported. (A good explanation of such a connection would need to contrast it to other aspects of communication which we don't question the cultural basis for.)

ardit33 9y ago
What you saying is one side of speculation/explanation. The article particularly mentions that when babies are in the womb, they feel content and that's what the smiling is, but we don't know if it is for sure. (i.e. it can be just a reflex, or actual display of being "content"). Smiling, however, cannot be interpreted as preparation for birth but may be a reflex, Prof Campbell said. He added: "What's behind the smile, of course, I can't say, but the corners turn up and the cheeks bulge ... I think it must be some indication of contentment in a stress-free environment." in any way, so socialization is a big part of it. We know most humans are born with the ability of speech, but if they are not taught/socialized at early age, then they will never be able to speak later (apart from uttering primitive sounds), but they still can utter sounds. It could be the same with smiling. All humans are born with the ability of a 'primitive smile' which can be further developed and refined socially, but ability is innate. The studies that mention that all smiling is socialized is yet another wave of bunk science that tries to attribute "socializing" and indoctrination to every human behavior, where there are clear indication that it is not true. http://www.doctortipster.com/6920-smiling-is-an-inherited-behavior-that-begins-in-the-womb.html http://www.doctortipster.com/6920-smiling-is-an-inherited-be...
seanmcdirmid 9y ago
> The ability to smile is not necessarily connected to the meaning of a smile, though. Pediatricians call it a "social smile", and it is an important milestone in newborn development. See https://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/babys-first-social-smile https://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/babys-first-social-smil.... Evolutionary, I think the intention is to bring parents further under the baby's spell, since otherwise they might give up because taking care of a baby is a lot of work!
- myth_drannon 9y ago
  More than parents which are attached to the child with hormones, the smile is for the strangers so they do not harm them. At some stage babies smile all the time to strangers. That's before they get older and understand the concept of parents vs strangers.
  - stevekemp 9y ago
    Our baby is a fascinating example of this - every time he sees a stranger he makes a big smile. He seems to just love people, and because of his big eyes and big smile it is rare that I can take him shopping, or for a walk, without at least one stranger talking to me about how happy he looks.
    - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
      Ya, same here, though it seems to be tapering off after 1.
  - dingaling 9y ago
    Cross-species, the opposite of 'smile at strangers' that I had to learn was when handling distressed dogs. To a human a smile is cute, to a dog it is baring of teeth in a challenge.
  - sitkack 9y ago
    I got smiled at by a 9 month old on the plane just yesterday, the subtext was, "please don't eat me or my family."
    - bonesss 9y ago
      ... don't leave us hanging, what did you do? Did you let the infant assert dominance, or did his parents learn a lesson about the social hierarchy?

ardit33 9y ago

What you saying is one side of speculation/explanation. The article particularly mentions that when babies are in the womb, they feel content and that's what the smiling is, but we don't know if it is for sure. (i.e. it can be just a reflex, or actual display of being "content"). Smiling, however, cannot be interpreted as preparation for birth but may be a reflex, Prof Campbell said. He added: "What's behind the smile, of course, I can't say, but the corners turn up and the cheeks bulge ... I think it must be some indication of contentment in a stress-free environment." in any way, so socialization is a big part of it. We know most humans are born with the ability of speech, but if they are not taught/socialized at early age, then they will never be able to speak later (apart from uttering primitive sounds), but they still can utter sounds. It could be the same with smiling. All humans are born with the ability of a 'primitive smile' which can be further developed and refined socially, but ability is innate. The studies that mention that all smiling is socialized is yet another wave of bunk science that tries to attribute "socializing" and indoctrination to every human behavior, where there are clear indication that it is not true. http://www.doctortipster.com/6920-smiling-is-an-inherited-behavior-that-begins-in-the-womb.html http://www.doctortipster.com/6920-smiling-is-an-inherited-be...

seanmcdirmid 9y ago

> The ability to smile is not necessarily connected to the meaning of a smile, though. Pediatricians call it a "social smile", and it is an important milestone in newborn development. See https://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/babys-first-social-smile https://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/babys-first-social-smil.... Evolutionary, I think the intention is to bring parents further under the baby's spell, since otherwise they might give up because taking care of a baby is a lot of work!

myth_drannon 9y ago
More than parents which are attached to the child with hormones, the smile is for the strangers so they do not harm them. At some stage babies smile all the time to strangers. That's before they get older and understand the concept of parents vs strangers.
- stevekemp 9y ago
  Our baby is a fascinating example of this - every time he sees a stranger he makes a big smile. He seems to just love people, and because of his big eyes and big smile it is rare that I can take him shopping, or for a walk, without at least one stranger talking to me about how happy he looks.
  - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
    Ya, same here, though it seems to be tapering off after 1.
- dingaling 9y ago
  Cross-species, the opposite of 'smile at strangers' that I had to learn was when handling distressed dogs. To a human a smile is cute, to a dog it is baring of teeth in a challenge.
- sitkack 9y ago
  I got smiled at by a 9 month old on the plane just yesterday, the subtext was, "please don't eat me or my family."
  - bonesss 9y ago
    ... don't leave us hanging, what did you do? Did you let the infant assert dominance, or did his parents learn a lesson about the social hierarchy?