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- IIAOPSW 9y agoCombine this with that other group that machine learned to generate fake celebrities. Soon we'll be able to make 100% convincing movies without any real celebrities whatsoever. Imagine a world of no celebrities. No TMZ. No gossip columns. No infotainmant on the news. No faux outrage scandals. sniff its beautiful isn't it.
- karma_fountain 9y agoWe would just worship the fakes instead.
- danharaj 9y agoHatsune Miku
- cryptoz 9y agoS1mOne (sp?) is a movie about that. But there will always be TMZ and gossip, they don't rely on celebrities to exist they rely on juicy stories involving anyone.
- krapp 9y ago>Imagine a world of no celebrities. No TMZ. No gossip columns. No infotainmant on the news. No faux outrage scandals. You'd still have all of those things, because those are all part of the business that drives entertainment. The entire scandal complex would just be automated and generated by AI along with the rest of consumer culture, but it won't go away. Why would it, when there's so much money to be made? There will be probably be more of it, not less, because once you have perfectly convincing virtual celebrities, you can include perfectly convincing virtual dead celebrities as well, and fictional characters within their respective fictional worlds.
- Udik 9y agoThat reminds me of a definition I gave once of one of those tv series full of mysteries and supernatural events that should all be explained by some underlying reality that, alas, never existed even in the minds of the authors. "Like a gossip magazine about non-existent people" It seems that people would actually buy and read them avidly.
- booleandilemma 9y agoSo like fantasy football for celebrity gossip?
- robterrell 9y agoMost likely, celebrities will hire nobodies to be body doubles for them, to do the hard work of actually making movies / tv shows, and then the AIs will fill in their faces later.
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- xbmcuser 9y agoIt would be interesting movies and TV shows would be viewer customisable. I would love to see an ai that can read a novel and create a movie out of it.
- Shivetya 9y agolooking forward to a demo of this tech where all actors, male and female, are replaced with a single select actor. the technology can only get better, the question is will disclaimers become part of every video or just the assumption of what you see is always fake?
- Pxtl 9y agoBonus points if it's John Malkovich
- michaelbuckbee 9y agoI agree and think a real driving force for this will be internationalization. Shoot the movie and then swap the actors for Chinese audiences, etc.
- rev_null 9y agoThis is a major plot element of the 2013 film "The Congress". I highly recommend it.
- keyme 9y agoIIRC the movie The Congress (2013) is about this (before it transitions into a full on acid trip)
- jamesrcole 9y ago> Soon we'll be able to make 100% convincing movies without any real celebrities whatsoever. Being able to mimic particular people is quite different to being able to: - make the AI act in a compelling way in a new movie (e.g. getting the emotion and delivery right for a particular scene) - create a compelling actor from scratch.
- kgwgk 9y agoMovies without celebrities have been made for quite some time already.
- jamesrcole 9y agoThe person I was replying to was clearly taking about the case of replacing them with AI-created actors.
- kgwgk 9y agoSorry, I replied at the wrong point in the thread. I should have replied to him.
- IIAOPSW 9y agoMy point was that we already have bullet point 2. https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/30/16569402/ai-generate-fake-faces-celebs-nvidia-gan https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/30/16569402/ai-generate-fak... Bullet point 1 probably isn't too far off.
- jamesrcole 9y agoNo we don't! Not even close. That article is about creating fake faces. That's all. Being able to create a virtual actor that can somehow generate a compelling performance from a script, or which can even be programmed to create a compelling performance, is orders of magnitude more difficult, and far beyond anything we can currently do.
- didibus 9y agoI think this is from the same group.
- billconan 9y agowhich paper is behind deepfake?
- psyc 9y agoThe reddit user who wrote the script said it was at least loosely based on: https://arxiv.org/abs/1703.00848 https://arxiv.org/abs/1703.00848
- SamBam 9y agoThe Carrie Fisher example is quite amazing. It somehow manages to remove all the plasticity of the original.
- linkmotif 9y agoI don't understand that example. Either face recognition is off in my brain, or both top and bottom look like Carrie Fisher. Am I missing something?
- jobigoud 9y agoNone of them are Carrie Fisher. Top one is CGI and is from the movie, bottom one is another actress + deepfake. It's supposed to show that the deepfake one is just as good as the Hollywood one.
- linkmotif 9y agoOk but are you saying either one is nick cage?
- michaelbuckbee 9y agoNeither, it was a different experiment with the same tech.
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- homero 9y agoHow'd he get another video without cgi
- stochastic_monk 9y agoSo you're saying that is from one of the "new new" star wars movies, after Carrie Fisher's death? [I live under a rock, sorry.]
- afpx 9y agoIt’s only a matter of time until digital video comes with a cryptographic signature combination of the device manufacturer and the author.
- yorwba 9y agoThe leakers will just claim that they had to remove watermarks to avoid being traced, thus invalidating the signature. Or if it isn't important who the author is, they can record a projection of a fake video with a verified camera, giving the fake the appearance of legitimacy.
- afpx 9y agoAll true, but it should at least move us toward a world where people will assume all media is fake unless it’s been signed by an author.
- joezydeco 9y agoYou know their eventual goal is to redo The Lord of the Rings with an all-Cage cast, right?
- stryk 9y agoI would buy up all the tickets to that and give them away for free. That would be something everyone should see and nobody should have to pay for.
- acjohnson55 9y agoI hear this was the director's original intent, but he didn't have the budget.
- k__ 9y agoJust saw a DeepFake thread on 4chan and I thought this was some pseudonym of a fake-porn creator, but the quality was amazing. Im impressed to find such hightech in porn, lol.
- tudorw 9y agoporn has always led the way in media tech!
- k__ 9y agoOkay, maybe I said this wrong. I was impressed to find such tech in amateur fake porn lol.
- stryk 9y agoYea I was going to mention that as well. Wasn't porn the deciding factor in both 'format wars' (VHS vs. BetaMax as well as, years later, Blu-Ray vs. HDDVD)?
- ZenoArrow 9y agoI'd suggest it's not clear cut what role porn played in the VHS vs. BetaMax format wars. People often bring up that BetaMax was the superior format, but overlook that it was only the superior format in one regard (picture quality). In other metrics, VHS was either the superior format (recording length) or roughly equal (audio quality). I'd also suggest there was also a key factor accelerating the growth of VHS over Betamax, which was one of cost. VHS was supposedly cheaper than Betamax at the launch of VHS, and the price difference would only have increased as its market share grew and the effects of scaling up mass production were in place.
- cr0sh 9y agoIIRC, VHS was cheaper for the rental market. Beta format tapes had higher licensing fees (or something like that), and brand new movies were extremely expensive. Sony essentially controlled it. VHS - with it's longer length (meaning more films could be distributed as a single tape) and lower fees (the format was done by a consortium of manufacturers - IIRC, Panasonic and JVC were the main drivers?) meant that rental stores didn't have to pay so much for a film to rent out. At the time, VHS movies cost around $100.00 per tape (I remember this well, because as a kid parents made sure that they returned them properly and in good shape, because the cost to buy a replacement tape was insane).
- tudorw 9y agoI get the feeling that a Cinema release before not too long will offer the options to see it with whichever leading stars you fancy, and get re released 5 years later with updates...
- krapp 9y agoI look forward to seeing the new installment of Star Wars with Marilyn Monroe, Nicolas Cage, and Dante from Devil May Cry....
- walshemj 9y agoExcellent presumably Marilyn would be Liea and you would have to a scene with her robes being blown up by a air vent. Cage presumably is Han in this version though I suspect Bogart would have made a good Han Solo
- cryptoz 9y agoIn that world, no need to wait 5 years for updates. Will be continuously on-demand and up-to-date.
- tudorw 9y agopossible technologically wise, but over exposure is a real aspect of artist management, often bands are contracted not to release music, to enable pent up demand to be released at the timing choice of the publisher.
- amelius 9y agoThis is happening with porn already. What I'm scared of is that people can choose people they know in real life.
- danellis 9y agoAIUI, people generally will not have the required tens (hundreds?) of thousands of images of said person.
- baxtr 9y agoI’m sure some idiot will come up with a plan to monetize this through an ICO. Taking bets on this starting now
- dang 9y agoPlease don't post unsubstantive comments to HN, even when other people are idiots. Especially then.
- fastball 9y agoHere[1] is the post history of the person who makes them on Reddit. 1. https://www.reddit.com/user/derpfakes/posts/ https://www.reddit.com/user/derpfakes/posts/
- psyc 9y agoNote that this is a different user from the one who wrote the original code, who in turn is a different user from the one who adapted it into a desktop GUI app.
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- tw1010 9y agoMore than any of the AlphaGo stuff, this is actually a way more convincing example that all the deep learning stuff really isn't just hype.
- IgorPartola 9y agoI actually downloaded the code that was used for this off GitHub and tried it out. It is very simple, though I wish I could say I understood it better. I’d love to see a more robust implementation of it to be able to produce better looking results.
- dharness 9y agoWhat is going on in this post? A couple Nick Cages and then 2 scenes of Star Wars where on has a slightly different looking Leila? Why does the text not simply explain what is going on?
- half-kh-hacker 9y agoDeepFake is a technology primarily used for face-swapping stars of adult video with well-known celebrities. It's been gaining popularity on Reddit recently, and someone had the idea to "replace all actors in every film with Nicholas Cage" Seen here is a prototype.
- defen 9y agoFrom reddit, regarding the Star Wars stuff: > Top is original footage from Rogue One with a strange CGI Carrie Fisher. Movie budget: $200m > Bottom is a 20 minute fake that could have been done in essentially the same way with a visually similar actress. My budget: $0 and some Fleetwood Mac tunes.
- nkkollaw 9y agoI was too distracted by how unusable Tumbler is, though.
- draw_down 9y agoPretty interesting. I think it still looks fake though.
- kiernanmcgowan 9y agoI’m now eagerly waiting the “malkovich malkovich” scene from “Being John Malkovich”, but with everyone replaced with Nick Cage. https://youtu.be/lIpev8JXJHQ https://youtu.be/lIpev8JXJHQ
- Para2016 9y agoWhat if instead of Nick Cage and actresses on existing porn, the users put their own faces/bodies on the porn actor's face and body? Would that be weird and creepy or would it be more immersive for the user? Maybe it could even be good enough to create artificial memories, especially if adobe voice conversion technology was combined with it. Then you'd see and hear yourself having sex with a porn star.
- mattbierner 9y agoHow long until advertisers get in on this? For example: imagine that Facebook shows me a video of my friends and I having the time of our lives at a casino: winning the jackpot, eating great food, relaxing by the pool, etc. It’s entirely convincing but I, try and I might, I can’t remember when the trip took place. That’s because the video was actuslly an ad for that casino generated from our profile data Or perhaps companies will start offering services that let you fake trips for social media. For just $25, they create videos of you having the trip of a lifetime anywhere in the world (basically a modern version of Mr. and Mrs. Everywhere from Stand on Zanzibar)
- amelius 9y agoOn the other hand, the technique would allow people to post photos and videos of themselves in exotic places, et cetera. Facebook's newsfeed would become so fake, that nobody would believe it anymore. I think the approach will grow old really quickly, and it will turn people into (perhaps more healthy) skeptics.
- BoiledCabbage 9y ago> I think the approach will grow old really quickly, and it will turn people into (perhaps more healthy) skeptics. This frustrates me so. Why does everyone think technology will always magically change human nature for the better? People are not skeptics now, and they won't become skeptics once this tech comes out. Just like a large percentage of people believe whatever is put in their Facebook feed, they will believe things that confirm their world view. It's like saying "man once the internet becomes widespread there will no longer be things like climate change denial because anyone will have access to accurate information at their fingertips and can look up the data and reports." And yet, look where we are in the US. Technology will never solve problems of human nature. Via analogy, let's say you saw it as a problem that people like kinky sex and want it stopped. People have always liked kinky sex always will like it. There is no tech you can invent shy of physical or chemical lobotomy that will change that. But for some reason when we look at other qualities we forget that lesson.
- DanBC 9y ago