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LGPL violation/Missing references to Ethereumj project

210 points by hamstercat 9y ago

ijafri 9y ago
Phew! As the owner of https://tron.pk https://tron.pk I literally spilled my morning coffee over the keyboard, just reading the title.
- thesimpsons1022 9y ago
  thats pretty funny
- duncan_bayne 9y ago
  You should get a ThinkPad, at least, one of the models with an under-keyboard drip tray. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U5n2WaMMHo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U5n2WaMMHo I think Apple have the same basic design, just they use the motherboard, which has to be replaced after each spill ;)
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- craftyguy 9y ago
  Weird, the title literally does not mention the word 'tron' in it. So that means you must be violating LGPL?
  - colejohnson66 9y ago
    It used to
  - ijafri 9y ago
    mods changed the title, having realised my perplexity.
tehlike 9y ago
Is tron name itself a violation of trademark, or copyright of Disney? Not much knowledgable on IP laws in the US, hence the question.
- thesimpsons1022 9y ago
  real name is tronix. and its chinese anyway
- ijafri 9y ago
  Nope! Trademarks are granted for a specific use cases or industry, movie titles can't be copyrighted .. they are only protected by MPAA(Motion pictures association).. and MPAA only can regulate Movie names, video games or toy lines are however... See https://www.applebank.com https://www.applebank.com and get amused by their Apple logo.. they did the fruit depiction right
- duncan_bayne 9y ago
  I wouldn't have thought so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_command https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_command I _think_ the TRON franchise was a nod to the TRON command in BASIC, which predated the name.
  - userbinator 9y ago
    The other TRON that's vaguely related to computers is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project
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- alsetmusic 9y ago
  > Is tron name itself a violation of trademark, or copyright of Disney? Not much knowledgable on IP laws in the US, hence the question. Copyright would apply to the actual film, script, perhaps other elements. For the title, I believe this would be a trademark issue. Whether it is enforceable here is beyond my knowledge. I tried a quick search on the status, but didn’t see the info I hoped for in the top several hits.
tehlike 9y ago
Tron will be an interesting beast. So many believers there.
ve55 9y ago
For those that haven't heard of TRON, it is what I would call one of the most successful scams in the history of cryptocurrency. It is a currency that was made on top of Ethereum (thus, it took no actual effort to create, as this can be done instantly and for free), paired with a significant amount of hype and lies to investors. The TRON Whitepaper (what investors are 'supposed' to read and invest off of) is written terribly and copies significantly from other successful projects: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7oeh92/trons_trx_whitepaper_raises_more_red_flags_than_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7oeh92/trons_trx... It's possible that the CEO of TRON made at least $300M USD from selling his own coins that he created out of thin air: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7oh01s/trx_tron_founder_justin_sun_sold_6billion_tron/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7oh01s/trx_tron_... The CEO tweets in ways specifically designed to entice investors to speculate on his coin, such as specifically telling people it will go up in value: https://twitter.com/justinsuntron/status/947463313775927297 https://twitter.com/justinsuntron/status/947463313775927297, or specifically saying the downwards price movement is due to changes to CoinMarketCap information (completely false): https://twitter.com/justinsuntron/status/951191786902274048 https://twitter.com/justinsuntron/status/951191786902274048 Some investors in TRON have lost up to 66% of their net worth thus far (https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tron/ https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tron/), making it one of the largest crashes that has been seen in the top 10 coins on CoinMarketCap in quite awhile. Some of the things investors believe are completely absurd, citing that the Chinese government or Amazon will use TRON. It's unfortunate the levels of misinformation that so rampantly spread and cause many to lose their hard-earned money.
- tehlike 9y ago
  Ssh dont let them know. They like their dreams.
- dreit1 9y ago
  Don't forget the senior Alibaba Developers lol
  - tehlike 9y ago
    Tron foundation website is a "showcase" of the ceo guy, nothing more.
stevefan1999 9y ago
Wow, they Tron people are assholes.
rdtsc 9y ago
> appear to be straightforward imports from sphlib ( http://www.saphir2.com/sphlib/ http://www.saphir2.com/sphlib/ ), with just the license removed and replaced with their own. That is so blatant: https://github.com/tronprotocol/java-tron/blob/develop/src/main/java/org/tron/crypto/cryptohash/KeccakCore.java https://github.com/tronprotocol/java-tron/blob/develop/src/m... https://github.com/jnorthrup/sphlib/blob/master/src/main/java/fr/cryptohash/KeccakCore.java https://github.com/jnorthrup/sphlib/blob/master/src/main/jav... It's written right there in the license block they cut and replaced "The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software".
- philipwhiuk 9y ago
  The BSD style license is the problem. The LGPL license is not. They are fulfilling the LGPL license.
ak239 9y ago
There is another nice project which just copy pasted others papers to get own white paper: https://www.cubeintel.com https://www.cubeintel.com A little more analysis about cube: https://medium.com/@ak239spb/how-to-build-fake-ico-9f837a4eba3d https://medium.com/@ak239spb/how-to-build-fake-ico-9f837a4eb...
theincredulousk 9y ago
Aww man you mean these alternative cryptocurrencies are just copy pasting from github and giving them a new name? I like that people publish their code and then cry when people take it. The area between FOSS and proprietary software is a purgatory for people with analysis paralysis that can’t pick a fucking side.
- colejohnson66 9y ago
  > I like that people publish their code and then cry when people take it. So because I want to show the world something I wrote and think is cool, it’s ok for others to copy it, and I shouldn’t complain if they do so illegally?
  - numismatex 9y ago
    When you're talking about mathematical formulas that haven't been patented, and use in other countries, yes, completely fine because it's not illegal in that other country. Look into copyright law before you open your mouth.
- oelmekki 9y ago
  I don't think that's the issue, here: the person who opened the issue is complaining about legal mention not being there, not about the code being reused. This is not a minor problem, because turn over is high in developers world. If you don't leave a comment mentioning the code came from somewhere else, it's easy a few years later for a new dev to think their predecessors wrote that code and to recommend their company to sue projects around where they see the same code (possibly without legal mention too). Not to mention that when you give your code for free and make other people's job easier, the least you deserve is to be credited.
stanchion 9y ago
The code seems most heavily copied from ethereumj
AndrewCHMcM 9y ago
> For those who are whining about this issue. All these issues are common in development. If you say it's not, you haven't worked on serious projects with so much pressure to deliver. Don't most "serious" companies have lawyers that will spit venom at you if you even think about looking at code that doesn't have a permissible enough license?
- ehnto 9y ago
  A competent team would take it seriously. That said, you can be naive about it all too and not realize how serious licensing is to a company. So in my opinion it must be a company directive, and part of induction to make sure your developers understand the issue properly.
- tehlike 9y ago
  What company? Tron? I do not believe it really exists, or if they do, they are serious.
- no29 9y ago
  legal doesn't know what it doesn't know implementing controls to prevent or detect this kind of copypasta is very hard.. even more so at larger "serious" companies that have dozens of development teams spread across the world working on an enormous catalog of products this happens far more than people want to admit.. there's a very slippery slope when it comes to searching for help online.. it's amazing how quickly a google search leads to a stackoverflow post that has sample/example code which then winds up in your company's codebase.. even at "serious" places writing a clear external code usage policy that's covered in those yearly training programs that developers hate and blow through as fast as possible is about as good you're going to get stopping this kind of thing
  - Giroflex 9y ago
    It's different to copy/paste code from SO and to copy/paste code from an open-source project with a non-permissive license and remove/ignore the license. The controls to prevent developers from doing this sort of stuff in a serious company should be to let them know they will face disciplinary action/lose their job if they pull it.
mondainx 9y ago
I think the ethereumj commenters come-off as whiny in all this and they are most certainly confusing LGPL with GPL. Calm the f down, seriously.
Thoreandan 9y ago
...annnnd no relation to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project - the Japanese RTOS. Also no relation to JTRON - the Java implementation of TRON.

210 points by hamstercat 9y ago

Phew! As the owner of https://tron.pk https://tron.pk I literally spilled my morning coffee over the keyboard, just reading the title.

thesimpsons1022 9y ago
thats pretty funny
duncan_bayne 9y ago
You should get a ThinkPad, at least, one of the models with an under-keyboard drip tray. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U5n2WaMMHo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U5n2WaMMHo I think Apple have the same basic design, just they use the motherboard, which has to be replaced after each spill ;)
- deleted 9y ago
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craftyguy 9y ago
Weird, the title literally does not mention the word 'tron' in it. So that means you must be violating LGPL?
- colejohnson66 9y ago
  It used to
- ijafri 9y ago
  mods changed the title, having realised my perplexity.

tehlike 9y ago

Is tron name itself a violation of trademark, or copyright of Disney? Not much knowledgable on IP laws in the US, hence the question.

thesimpsons1022 9y ago
real name is tronix. and its chinese anyway
ijafri 9y ago
Nope! Trademarks are granted for a specific use cases or industry, movie titles can't be copyrighted .. they are only protected by MPAA(Motion pictures association).. and MPAA only can regulate Movie names, video games or toy lines are however... See https://www.applebank.com https://www.applebank.com and get amused by their Apple logo.. they did the fruit depiction right
duncan_bayne 9y ago
I wouldn't have thought so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_command https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_command I _think_ the TRON franchise was a nod to the TRON command in BASIC, which predated the name.
- userbinator 9y ago
  The other TRON that's vaguely related to computers is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project
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alsetmusic 9y ago
> Is tron name itself a violation of trademark, or copyright of Disney? Not much knowledgable on IP laws in the US, hence the question. Copyright would apply to the actual film, script, perhaps other elements. For the title, I believe this would be a trademark issue. Whether it is enforceable here is beyond my knowledge. I tried a quick search on the status, but didn’t see the info I hoped for in the top several hits.

tehlike 9y ago

Tron will be an interesting beast. So many believers there.

ve55 9y ago

For those that haven't heard of TRON, it is what I would call one of the most successful scams in the history of cryptocurrency. It is a currency that was made on top of Ethereum (thus, it took no actual effort to create, as this can be done instantly and for free), paired with a significant amount of hype and lies to investors. The TRON Whitepaper (what investors are 'supposed' to read and invest off of) is written terribly and copies significantly from other successful projects: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7oeh92/trons_trx_whitepaper_raises_more_red_flags_than_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7oeh92/trons_trx... It's possible that the CEO of TRON made at least $300M USD from selling his own coins that he created out of thin air: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7oh01s/trx_tron_founder_justin_sun_sold_6billion_tron/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/7oh01s/trx_tron_... The CEO tweets in ways specifically designed to entice investors to speculate on his coin, such as specifically telling people it will go up in value: https://twitter.com/justinsuntron/status/947463313775927297 https://twitter.com/justinsuntron/status/947463313775927297, or specifically saying the downwards price movement is due to changes to CoinMarketCap information (completely false): https://twitter.com/justinsuntron/status/951191786902274048 https://twitter.com/justinsuntron/status/951191786902274048 Some investors in TRON have lost up to 66% of their net worth thus far (https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tron/ https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tron/), making it one of the largest crashes that has been seen in the top 10 coins on CoinMarketCap in quite awhile. Some of the things investors believe are completely absurd, citing that the Chinese government or Amazon will use TRON. It's unfortunate the levels of misinformation that so rampantly spread and cause many to lose their hard-earned money.

tehlike 9y ago
Ssh dont let them know. They like their dreams.
dreit1 9y ago
Don't forget the senior Alibaba Developers lol
- tehlike 9y ago
  Tron foundation website is a "showcase" of the ceo guy, nothing more.

stevefan1999 9y ago

Wow, they Tron people are assholes.

rdtsc 9y ago

> appear to be straightforward imports from sphlib ( http://www.saphir2.com/sphlib/ http://www.saphir2.com/sphlib/ ), with just the license removed and replaced with their own. That is so blatant: https://github.com/tronprotocol/java-tron/blob/develop/src/main/java/org/tron/crypto/cryptohash/KeccakCore.java https://github.com/tronprotocol/java-tron/blob/develop/src/m... https://github.com/jnorthrup/sphlib/blob/master/src/main/java/fr/cryptohash/KeccakCore.java https://github.com/jnorthrup/sphlib/blob/master/src/main/jav... It's written right there in the license block they cut and replaced "The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software".

philipwhiuk 9y ago
The BSD style license is the problem. The LGPL license is not. They are fulfilling the LGPL license.

ak239 9y ago

There is another nice project which just copy pasted others papers to get own white paper: https://www.cubeintel.com https://www.cubeintel.com A little more analysis about cube: https://medium.com/@ak239spb/how-to-build-fake-ico-9f837a4eba3d https://medium.com/@ak239spb/how-to-build-fake-ico-9f837a4eb...

theincredulousk 9y ago

Aww man you mean these alternative cryptocurrencies are just copy pasting from github and giving them a new name? I like that people publish their code and then cry when people take it. The area between FOSS and proprietary software is a purgatory for people with analysis paralysis that can’t pick a fucking side.

colejohnson66 9y ago
> I like that people publish their code and then cry when people take it. So because I want to show the world something I wrote and think is cool, it’s ok for others to copy it, and I shouldn’t complain if they do so illegally?
- numismatex 9y ago
  When you're talking about mathematical formulas that haven't been patented, and use in other countries, yes, completely fine because it's not illegal in that other country. Look into copyright law before you open your mouth.
oelmekki 9y ago
I don't think that's the issue, here: the person who opened the issue is complaining about legal mention not being there, not about the code being reused. This is not a minor problem, because turn over is high in developers world. If you don't leave a comment mentioning the code came from somewhere else, it's easy a few years later for a new dev to think their predecessors wrote that code and to recommend their company to sue projects around where they see the same code (possibly without legal mention too). Not to mention that when you give your code for free and make other people's job easier, the least you deserve is to be credited.

stanchion 9y ago

The code seems most heavily copied from ethereumj

AndrewCHMcM 9y ago

> For those who are whining about this issue. All these issues are common in development. If you say it's not, you haven't worked on serious projects with so much pressure to deliver. Don't most "serious" companies have lawyers that will spit venom at you if you even think about looking at code that doesn't have a permissible enough license?

ehnto 9y ago
A competent team would take it seriously. That said, you can be naive about it all too and not realize how serious licensing is to a company. So in my opinion it must be a company directive, and part of induction to make sure your developers understand the issue properly.
tehlike 9y ago
What company? Tron? I do not believe it really exists, or if they do, they are serious.
no29 9y ago
legal doesn't know what it doesn't know implementing controls to prevent or detect this kind of copypasta is very hard.. even more so at larger "serious" companies that have dozens of development teams spread across the world working on an enormous catalog of products this happens far more than people want to admit.. there's a very slippery slope when it comes to searching for help online.. it's amazing how quickly a google search leads to a stackoverflow post that has sample/example code which then winds up in your company's codebase.. even at "serious" places writing a clear external code usage policy that's covered in those yearly training programs that developers hate and blow through as fast as possible is about as good you're going to get stopping this kind of thing
- Giroflex 9y ago
  It's different to copy/paste code from SO and to copy/paste code from an open-source project with a non-permissive license and remove/ignore the license. The controls to prevent developers from doing this sort of stuff in a serious company should be to let them know they will face disciplinary action/lose their job if they pull it.

mondainx 9y ago

I think the ethereumj commenters come-off as whiny in all this and they are most certainly confusing LGPL with GPL. Calm the f down, seriously.

Thoreandan 9y ago

...annnnd no relation to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_project - the Japanese RTOS. Also no relation to JTRON - the Java implementation of TRON.