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Teslasuit – full body haptic VR suit
- rayalez 9y agoWow this is so cool. Really makes me feel like I'm living in the future. Not sure that naming it tesla was a good idea though.
- yohann305 9y agoright, riding the Tesla keyword is so 2010, they should have gone with MLsuit.io or blockchainSuit.io. Okay it felt good to write, go ahead and downvote me you mofos
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- nsxwolf 9y agoSo now we can have true sexual assault in VR. I wonder what safeguards will be created by developers to mitigate that. I wonder what legal ramifications there will be for touching someone without consent, if any, and what kind of exposure to liability developers will have.
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- kemiller 9y agoIt appears to avoid putting actuators in sensitive areas.
- nsxwolf 9y agoAhh I see that now. But no doubt the porn industry is working on their own version.
- justasitsounds 9y agoThere should be a phrase that evokes the ability of the porn industry to innovate, eg: "this haptic VR technology is really at the fapping edge"
- excalibur 9y agoThis can be remedied. I'm picturing a port in the crotchal area that allows for the connection of interchangeable codpieces.
- Wingman4l7 9y agoA real issue that should be considered before the technology is actually upon us. I do think that the emphasis shouldn't be on CYA legal concerns, but rather on ensuring that the hardware and software environments being built aren't alienating to roughly half of your userbase (women).
- cr0sh 9y agoIf the VPL DataSuit failed to find success, I doubt that this "suit" will either. Honestly, things seem to be moving in the opposite direction; wireless HMDs (or integrated processors), on-board outward-looking 6DOF tracking for the head/body positioning, plus similar tracking for the hands (no "datagloves" needed) - and ultimately the arms (ragdoll physics + IK)... Ultimately, people want to wear less stuff to get into a VR world, not more. If the HMD could be ditched (or be made even less obtrusive than it currently is - which is, IMHO, light-years ahead of where things were back in the 1990s) - people might (big if) flock to it in droves. Still...there's a lack of a "killer app" for VR. Gaming doesn't seem to be it, yet (a large part of this is the "total buy in" dollar amount needed - it's just too much except for the hard-core players, at best). Social apps don't seem to have gained much traction, either. VR porn seems to be a lost cause as well. If VR can't make inroads with a "killer function" - it likely will just die on the vine for the second time, unfortunately.
- bhhaskin 9y agoI don't believe anything in the VR space until it starts to be demoed. Too much vaperware and marketing BS.
- crywolverine 9y agohttp://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42574569 http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42574569 - newest video about Teslasuit from BBC :)
- hughes 9y agoThe suit literally shocks the person wearing it? Looks unpleasant - do you anticipate any safety issues?
- bhhaskin 9y agoYou seem to be affiliated with them. My advice would be to demo asap and as much a possible. I am sure it is hard with a suit like that, but it's the only way people aren't gonna think it is vaperware.
- crywolverine 9y agohave a look, here is a lot of feedback after the demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG5bOsUFb-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG5bOsUFb-4
- VectorLock 9y ago6 motion sensors for the torso but none for the fingers? Going to simulate chest bouncing?
- crywolverine 9y agogloves planned to be built within 4 months
- debt 9y agolol
- VectorLock 9y agoThis is a solved problem you can buy right now and get an actual product. https://neuronmocap.com/ https://neuronmocap.com/ No chest bouncing sensors though, unfortunately...
- justinclift 9y agoThat did look interesting. eg: https://neuronmocap.com/content/product/perception-neuron-lite https://neuronmocap.com/content/product/perception-neuron-li... But, pretty much Windows only. :( They do have one demo + their data reading SDK also working on OSX. Not really sure if that should be considered real OSX support though: https://neuronmocap.com/downloads https://neuronmocap.com/downloads Reading the license in the SDK, it's 100% proprietary. My interest completely died at that point.
- guy_mahieu 9y ago"The Teslauit haptic library provides a range of sensations" At least get your brand name right...
- master-litty 9y agoI think it's silly to get wrapped up in one minor typo like this, but we're talking about the name of the product here... It doesn't leave the greatest first impression.
- guy_mahieu 9y agoI expect my vaporware to at least get its marketing right! :-)
- drhousejr 9y agoI had to stop reading after that typo... how does that happen?
- blueprint 9y agoThat's quite some anterior pelvic tilt on the lady! Good thing she's going to be getting more standing in now.
- sigstoat 9y agoas neat as this (likely vaporware) would be, i feel like just starting with something powerglove-esque and then extending up the arms would be easier and capture most of the value. also, only two sensors per arm seems like it would leave it difficult to measure forearm twist. maybe they expect to recover that from touch controller orientation information?
- sna1l 9y agoThe Three Body Problem game from Liu Cixin coming to life!
- chairmanwow 9y agoI feel like Ready Player One has a better presentation of haptic suits in VR environments.
- haser_au 9y agoThis novel was amazing. I really enjoyed it.
- FLUX-YOU 9y agoNow it just needs a helmet with oxygen control and we can fully simulate dying in Elite Dangerous. But seriously, that's probably the first thing I'd go for with regards to temp control. Elite cockpits look like a sauna if you overheat your ship.
- Fricken 9y agoI think if I was after experiences that immersive, and willing to go to that much trouble, then I would take up paintball, or join the society for creative anachronism or something.
- imron 9y agoYou'll be able to do all of that virtually!
- anonfunction 9y agoI'm interested in how the "weight simulation" works.
- ramy_d 9y agosame here, i am very suspicious
- crywolverine 9y agowe are using the same approach as that https://hpi.de/fileadmin/user_upload/fachgebiete/baudisch/projects/mobile_force_feedback/2017-CHI-VRwalls.pdf https://hpi.de/fileadmin/user_upload/fachgebiete/baudisch/pr...
- QAPereo 9y agoEver used a stim machine? Hope your contacts are perfect, and excrete their own conductive gel, and my god will this have to be properly sized. Orherwise... ouch... fire ants. Edit: Note that despite the differences between TENS and NMES do not extend to the effects of bad contact.
- anonfunction 9y agoThanks for replying, very interesting and best of luck!
- tzahola 9y agoVirtual Higgs bosons maybe?
- CamperBob2 9y ago"Teslasuit, n. A subpoena from Elon Musk's trademark attorneys"
- rgbrenner 9y agoThat's not the way trademarks work.. Tesla has a trademark only in the fields they compete in: solar, cars, batteries. They can't stop you from starting Tesla Coffee Shop, or (in this case) Tesla VR suit.
- cwkoss 9y agoTesla VR suit name is creating a recipe for failure: if you think you can make a long-term viable VR suit company without ever using batteries (always tethered!) limits future growth potential greatly.
- rgbrenner 9y agoThat's also not the way trademarks work. To violate Tesla's trademark they need compete in the battery market. Trademarks don't get you rights to every market that utilizes the type of item you sell.
- cwkoss 9y agoYou're right. But, they don't need to be technically in violation for a lawsuit to still put them out of business. A dash of legal ambiguity is often enough for a deep-pocketed company to cause a lot of pain, regardless of the letter of the law.
- ars 9y ago> they need compete in the battery market There is no battery trademark category. Only electronics, which covers both batteries and this suit. So yes, they do need to change their name.
- CamperBob2 9y agoI was mostly being facetious, but the reality is that things are a little more complicated than that in the trademark business. The court will start by asking one question along the lines of, "Is there a good chance that a typical customer in the market for either product will be confused regarding the origin of the goods?" The weasel words in that question will leave plenty of room for argument on both sides. (IANAL, but have had cause to look into this question recently.)
- mintplant 9y ago> Streaming service > Imagine a fully integrated, computer-free version, streaming content directly to the user’s virtual/augmented reality system, that would work together with Teslasuit and Teslaglove models remotely and wirelessly. Revolutionary streaming service SDK will blow your mind with it unlimited possibilities, provided on most high level ever. Pffffft. All of this reads like imaginary, aspirational nonsense. Just someone tossing ideas onto a webpage. > Platforms > Native SDK for main platforms such as Linux, Windows and even Mac. I appreciate that 2018's vaporware is prioritizing the Linux desktop.
- crywolverine 9y agonew version of website is under construction, check back soon :)
- microsage 9y agoIt looks like you have some videos on youtube that make the product look interesting, such as: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG5bOsUFb-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG5bOsUFb-4 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2-cEEu3ZHU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2-cEEu3ZHU You should probably consider putting these and any other similar content you have front and center on the website. As it is now it looks a little thin on actual proof and comes off sounding a bit vaporware-ish.
- wmeredith 9y ago> I appreciate that 2018's vaporware is prioritizing the Linux desktop. Genuine LOL
- rayalez 9y agoEvery thread about something cool has a bunch of posts filled with unfounded skepticism. Do you have a good reason to claim it's vaporware, or is it just cool to be controversial on HN? What does your pointless pessimism and negativity add to the conversation? HN is a community of hackers who like tech, creating stuff, and building the future. Let's get excited about the new things and support our colleagues, instead of just instinctively dismissing anything new.
- crywolverine 9y agoHey all, Denis, Teslasuit Marketing Director here. Looking forward to your questions! as for feedback for users - we have it on Youtube - just google it by keyword phrase "Teslasuit VR haptic suit at DevGAMM 2017 Minsk" as for prefix Tesla - we using it due to the fact that we are using current (EMS and TENS) to provide haptic (sense of touch) as for electricity: yes, we are using TENS and EMS to provide haptic sensations as for security: yes. we have 2 security system built in the Teslasuit (software level and hardware level) PS. I can't answer so fast to other questions due to limitation of the Hacker News, but promise - I will answer to all your questions a bit more later
- michaelmior 9y agoLink which was not given in the parent for some reason https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG5bOsUFb-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG5bOsUFb-4
- Eyght 9y agoHere is a link to another video where a guy wears the suit, has it setup, and gets 'touched'. https://youtu.be/BBePpDsdzLw?t=148 https://youtu.be/BBePpDsdzLw?t=148
- etiam 9y agoEstimate for what the cost is going to be, initially and eventually?
- cwkoss 9y agoWhen are you changing the name?
- wmeredith 9y agoI think this is snark, but I'm curious for a serious answer to this question. Tesla is such a loaded name in the tech space, you can't possibly hope to keep that in the brand.
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- Geee 9y agoWhen is the ICO?
- cwkoss 9y agoPutting "Tesla" in the name seems like you're trying to use the carmaker's brand to bolster your own brand. Kind of shady.
- amelius 9y agoBut an electric carmaker using the name Tesla seems disingenuous in the first place. What if I used "Turing" as the name of my cybersecurity/AI company?
- cwkoss 9y agoWhat is your concern with the carmaker's name? Branded as an 'all electric' carmaker, so a name that evokes electricity seems fairly appropriate. Does feel a bit odd to be using a dead mans name for your company though. Even still, two wrongs don't make a right.
- amelius 9y agoI guess it is a matter of taste. In any case, it should be impossible to trademark a name like "Tesla", because it is a common term in electrical engineering and transportation (Tesla wasn't the first company making electric cars).
- cr0sh 9y ago> so a name that evokes electricity seems fairly appropriate Only if the car was (somehow) powered via alternating current (bonus points if via wireless energy transfer, for obvious reasons). I'm actually not sure what the motor tech in the Tesla vehicles are; likely some kind of 3-phase BLDC (or maybe synchronous AC). So I guess in a way, it is "AC" at some point in the powertrain. :)
- dtparr 9y agoOr "Steve Jobs Hoverbikes" http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla_model_s2 http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla_model_s2
- Wingman4l7 9y ago
- PetitPrince 9y ago> Motion capture and Positioning system I assume your suit uses IMU. How are you correcting for the sensor drift over time ?
- debt 9y agoVR is dead. I can't believe this company is going to burn through so much money with this. This will literally never launch.
- proee 9y agoi think a "haptic suit" is a good invention for the visually impaired. The suit could give you feedback when you body is near an object of when someone is approaching from behind, etc.
- minstrim 9y agoThey officially announced Teslasuit at CES 2018 ! https://twitter.com/real_teslasuit/status/950838538416873472 https://twitter.com/real_teslasuit/status/950838538416873472
- beagle3 9y agoHow heavy is the battery? or do you have to stay connected to the wall outlet? The only climate control system I am aware of that can be used in this setting are Peltier effect based systems, and they are dogs in term of energy consumption if you can't put fan or other thermal pump.
- rasz 9y agoWill this be as successful as all of the preceding gaming TENS products? 2005: http://www.mindwire-v5.com/home.html http://www.mindwire-v5.com/home.html 2007: https://www.geek.com/games/new-gaming-vest-allows-players-to-feel-impact-of-bullets-569959/ https://www.geek.com/games/new-gaming-vest-allows-players-to... 2010: https://www.wired.com/2010/03/gaming-vest-makes-virtual-fights-real-and-painful/ https://www.wired.com/2010/03/gaming-vest-makes-virtual-figh... http://www.korfx.com/ http://www.korfx.com/ and on and on and on
- macrael 9y agoHe shall know your ways as though born to them
- 4bpp 9y agoAnother step towards teledildonics?
- m3kw9 9y agoHow about a lawsuit?
- vortico 9y agoThe "Tesla v Teslasuit" suit
- hagope 9y agoIts already a pain in the ass to put on and set up the Vive...who's going to want to jump into a wet suit just to play video games?
- selud 9y agoHah! I built something similar (but very amateur) as my master thesis project: https://procrastinative.ninja/2015/02/19/sensation-suit/ https://procrastinative.ninja/2015/02/19/sensation-suit/ I always wanted to use TENS and EMS but my professors were a bit cautious. Anyway I've learned a lot and it was a really fun project. I still have the suit and have currently lent it to a fellow student who want's to survey if and how it increases VR immersion. Very happy to see another professional go at this! Good luck guys!
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- icc97 9y agoSerious question, it looks like the image under 'washable' is a man's head on a woman's body.