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Scary to think where this will be in 10 years. Perhaps even video evidence will be hard to believe any more. How do you convict someone if this technology is ma
by coldcode 9y ago
Scary to think where this will be in 10 years. Perhaps even video evidence will be hard to believe any more. How do you convict someone if this technology is mature?
- eat_veggies 9y agoThere was a post here a few days ago on amateurs (people who had never even touched python before, let alone tensorflow) who were using deep learning to generate fake celebrity porn. The results are actually pretty believable: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16040463 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16040463
- i_cant_speel 9y agoIs this safe to view at work?
- XOPJ 9y agoYes, first link is to a 4 day old post on HN, which links out to another SFW writeup. The title of the article (AI-assisted fake porn are being used by people on Reddit for self-completion) is worth keeping off the monitor if you don't want someone to quickly scan the word 'porn' on your monitor, but there are no NSFW photos or content.
- adventured 9y agoAnd or how do you prove someone's innocence if you can generate a believable, fake, crime video. Supporting counter evidence will become that much more important.
- matrixtransform 9y agoThere's going to need to be some kind of blockchain-style tech that allows the source and veracity of video to be determined.
- andrewla 9y agoA blockchain in this case would just be a timestamping service, to prove the minimum time that elapsed since the image existed. That’s only useful if the time to create a fake is significantly more than the resolution of the chain - 10 minutes for bitcoin, 15 seconds for ethereum. But that I only makes sense if you know ahead of time that the information will be valuable, and it only proves the age if there is sufficient hash power on the network, so a “private” blockchain would not be viable.
- Grasshoppeh 9y agoYou might be able to use this same technology to counteract this from happening. If you generate content you would have a base to test an AI to spot actual fake content. You could use video's and pictures like these to test a learning AI to spot discrepancies, then report findings in detail. Makes me wonder if there is a future in forensics for this type of technology.
- andrewla 9y agoThis network was trained using an adversarial approach. What that means is that a second network that does exactly what you say was used to train the first. They kept training until they created images that could reliably fool the discriminator. A more powerful discriminator would just be used to create better fakes.
- vkou 9y agoIf there were a government conspiracy to put you away, most of the time, they wouldn't need fake video evidence to convict you - just a bit of prejury by officer witnesses.
- johnkpaul 9y agoThere's a whole radiolab series about this called the Future of Fake News http://futureoffakenews.com/ http://futureoffakenews.com/
- ForRealsies 9y agoImagine how this could be misused to start wars- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIvvHwFSZHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIvvHwFSZHs
- mhb 9y agoHeinlein's fair witness?
- jacquesm 9y agoThis side of the house is white.
- logfromblammo 9y agoYou cannot infer that the type of structure supporting the visible surface is a house, or part of one.
- jacquesm 9y agoBy that scheme you can not infer it is a surface either. But that was the example given in the book.