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before you get too excited...this is the same country that mandates that some % of TV and radio content be "Canadian"

by junkscience2017 9y ago

dingo_bat 9y ago
That's all ok you see. Forcing culture is fine if it's our culture. But if an American says he supports USA, you can damn well be sure he's a "fucking American imperialist pig".
- thg 9y ago
  I don't see other nations (trying to) force their culture, views and laws on everyone outside their nation.
  - adventured 9y ago
    > I don't see other nations (trying to) force their culture, views and laws on everyone outside their nation. British, Russian, German, Spanish, Japanese, Italian, Egyptian, Saudi, Chinese and French history would like a word with you. The only difference between nations that do and don't push such, is their ability to: those that have been able to, without exception, have done so throughout recorded history.
ekianjo 9y ago
they dont have content neutrality yet. France has the same issues with public media.
52-6F-62 9y ago
It has something to do with being flooded with American content and perspectives. You see, it's been understood here for some time what kind of effect media can have on a population. This seems to be something America is just coming to terms with, regarding organizations like Sinclair. It's been Canada's struggle for some time to maintain an identity in the face of some kind of ideological imperialism. Manifest Destiny is still fresh on Canadian minds, and non-points like this implying some kind of tyranny are grossly mal-informed. Our CRTC who made that ruling is the same CRTC who is ensuring net neutrality and mandating performant broadband internet as a basic telecom service. Things the FCC just thought not worth protecting for Americans. edit: To clarify myself a bit: This is an impassioned subject for me. I think the US is a great nation—but implying something nefarious about Canadians' attempt at self-preservation, while residing next to a federation like the US, is incomprehensible.
- refurb 9y ago
  It's protecting the public that doesn't want to be protected. With the exception of a few Canadian shows and movies, Canadians can't get enough of US media.
  - Waterluvian 9y ago
    I've never once felt like I didn't have enough access to American content or that the regulation was impeding my enjoyment of media in Canada. But I bet it has played a role in the existence of some of the great Canadian shows of the last generation.
  - 9oliYQjP 9y ago
    One thing Canadians miss in the “CanCon means shitty TV” meme is that CanCon rules mean Canadian creative talent is cultivated. You don’t just become a great TV writer overnight. You write a lot of shitty TV until you get good at it. This is not unlike programming. Why do you think there are so many successful Canadians in Hollywood? A bunch got their start in productions that wouldn’t be around if not for CanCon. I mean for crying out loud, Drake, who is possibly one of the greatest cultural entrepreneurs of our time got his start on Degrassi. It’s not perfect by any means but Canadians tend to forget this aspect of the system whereby Canadian talent is cultivated, they go to the US to learn even more, then return to help educate the next generation of Canadian talent (eg Norman Jewison and the Canadian Film Centre)
    - smsm42 9y ago
      > This is not unlike programming. You mean, Canada should mandate certain percentage of software be written in Canada too, and if your site or software product doesn't run X% of Canadian software, you should not be able to use it within Canada? Great idea, sure.
      - Spooky23 9y ago
        Nations need to think about strategic interests beyond the capitalist trope that motivates most of us. It’s not in Canada’s national interest for Toronto to be a remote suburb of the US east coast. If and when relations between the two nations degrade, Canada needs to be able to continue functioning. That’s the danger of the mercurial Trump administration. The random shit that speed out of the US is making everyone question everything.
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DKnoll 9y ago
The difference is TV and radio station operators choose what we consume. On the Internet, we choose. As an American your opinion really doesn't matter here... it's American influence these laws were created to limit.
- junkscience2017 9y ago
  I hold citizenship in both countries
  - DKnoll 9y ago
    So still an American.
- SuperPaintMan 9y ago
  Curious on the downvotes here, it's true your opinion doesn't matter when it comes to domestic regulation. It's why Quebec has dual-language laws, to limit the external influence of others and offer them protections. Hell, we have languages just now dying off that were replaced by a dominating English influence. I'd rather watch Peter Mansbrige or Brad Griffen than Anderson Coopers face any day of the week.
miguelrochefort 9y ago
In Québec, more than 50% of songs played on the radio must be in French. Naturally, they play most of those songs during the night.
gerbilly 9y ago
So what? If this weren't the case all we'd hear on air is American news, see only American shows. We'd have Anderson Cooper telling us what the Canadian perspective is on world events. We'd effectively be DOSed by the American perspective. To say nothing of the francophones in Québec. They'd all be speaking English only by now, and tourists would go there like they go to New Orleans (which used to be 100% french) and say how wonderful the French 'influence' is in the region.

before you get too excited...this is the same country that mandates that some % of TV and radio content be "Canadian"

That's all ok you see. Forcing culture is fine if it's our culture. But if an American says he supports USA, you can damn well be sure he's a "fucking American imperialist pig".

thg 9y ago
I don't see other nations (trying to) force their culture, views and laws on everyone outside their nation.
- adventured 9y ago
  > I don't see other nations (trying to) force their culture, views and laws on everyone outside their nation. British, Russian, German, Spanish, Japanese, Italian, Egyptian, Saudi, Chinese and French history would like a word with you. The only difference between nations that do and don't push such, is their ability to: those that have been able to, without exception, have done so throughout recorded history.

ekianjo 9y ago

they dont have content neutrality yet. France has the same issues with public media.

52-6F-62 9y ago

It has something to do with being flooded with American content and perspectives. You see, it's been understood here for some time what kind of effect media can have on a population. This seems to be something America is just coming to terms with, regarding organizations like Sinclair. It's been Canada's struggle for some time to maintain an identity in the face of some kind of ideological imperialism. Manifest Destiny is still fresh on Canadian minds, and non-points like this implying some kind of tyranny are grossly mal-informed. Our CRTC who made that ruling is the same CRTC who is ensuring net neutrality and mandating performant broadband internet as a basic telecom service. Things the FCC just thought not worth protecting for Americans. edit: To clarify myself a bit: This is an impassioned subject for me. I think the US is a great nation—but implying something nefarious about Canadians' attempt at self-preservation, while residing next to a federation like the US, is incomprehensible.

refurb 9y ago
It's protecting the public that doesn't want to be protected. With the exception of a few Canadian shows and movies, Canadians can't get enough of US media.
- Waterluvian 9y ago
  I've never once felt like I didn't have enough access to American content or that the regulation was impeding my enjoyment of media in Canada. But I bet it has played a role in the existence of some of the great Canadian shows of the last generation.
- 9oliYQjP 9y ago
  One thing Canadians miss in the “CanCon means shitty TV” meme is that CanCon rules mean Canadian creative talent is cultivated. You don’t just become a great TV writer overnight. You write a lot of shitty TV until you get good at it. This is not unlike programming. Why do you think there are so many successful Canadians in Hollywood? A bunch got their start in productions that wouldn’t be around if not for CanCon. I mean for crying out loud, Drake, who is possibly one of the greatest cultural entrepreneurs of our time got his start on Degrassi. It’s not perfect by any means but Canadians tend to forget this aspect of the system whereby Canadian talent is cultivated, they go to the US to learn even more, then return to help educate the next generation of Canadian talent (eg Norman Jewison and the Canadian Film Centre)
  - smsm42 9y ago
    > This is not unlike programming. You mean, Canada should mandate certain percentage of software be written in Canada too, and if your site or software product doesn't run X% of Canadian software, you should not be able to use it within Canada? Great idea, sure.
    - Spooky23 9y ago
      Nations need to think about strategic interests beyond the capitalist trope that motivates most of us. It’s not in Canada’s national interest for Toronto to be a remote suburb of the US east coast. If and when relations between the two nations degrade, Canada needs to be able to continue functioning. That’s the danger of the mercurial Trump administration. The random shit that speed out of the US is making everyone question everything.

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DKnoll 9y ago

The difference is TV and radio station operators choose what we consume. On the Internet, we choose. As an American your opinion really doesn't matter here... it's American influence these laws were created to limit.

junkscience2017 9y ago
I hold citizenship in both countries
- DKnoll 9y ago
  So still an American.
SuperPaintMan 9y ago
Curious on the downvotes here, it's true your opinion doesn't matter when it comes to domestic regulation. It's why Quebec has dual-language laws, to limit the external influence of others and offer them protections. Hell, we have languages just now dying off that were replaced by a dominating English influence. I'd rather watch Peter Mansbrige or Brad Griffen than Anderson Coopers face any day of the week.

miguelrochefort 9y ago

In Québec, more than 50% of songs played on the radio must be in French. Naturally, they play most of those songs during the night.

gerbilly 9y ago

So what? If this weren't the case all we'd hear on air is American news, see only American shows. We'd have Anderson Cooper telling us what the Canadian perspective is on world events. We'd effectively be DOSed by the American perspective. To say nothing of the francophones in Québec. They'd all be speaking English only by now, and tourists would go there like they go to New Orleans (which used to be 100% french) and say how wonderful the French 'influence' is in the region.