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Shoutem – A platform to build, publish, and manage React Native apps

114 points by anatolinicolae 9y ago

oldboyFX 9y ago
Folks at Shoutem poured years of effort into building this platform and it definately shows. The product is really solid and I recommend taking a better look at it if you're planning to build a mobile app.
stemuk 9y ago
Looks pretty great, are there any demo apps available to play with?
k__ 9y ago
Looks good. Currently I'm using Expo, which is rather nice, but I have to detach rather often, because of stuff like PDF annotations or binary file storage. How does Shoutem compare to Expo?
- daemonfire300 9y ago
  Never Had to detach Expo. Is that the case when using native Code?
- anatolinicolae 9y ago
  Expo is used to run/preview a React Native app where Shoutem is both a CMS that you can use to manage your app's data and a UI library that you can use to build your app.
  - k__ 9y ago
    Ah, so a bit like Firebase+Bootstrap? Or Meteor?
    - anatolinicolae 9y ago
      Yeah, kind of a Firebase + Bootstrap which are respectively Shoutem CMS and Shoutem UI.
spiderfarmer 9y ago
$149 / month is a bit too high for most apps.
- anatolinicolae 9y ago
  Stick with building the app yourself only relying on their UI component collection which is free.
- SwellJoe 9y ago
  There are other options. It took me a bit of clicking around to find the pricing information: https://new.shoutem.com/pricing/ https://new.shoutem.com/pricing/
  - spiderfarmer 9y ago
    Those are options with less functionality, it's not a tiered price, so you'll have to be sure your app will be a financial succes before you start developing.
- maaaats 9y ago
  If I were a developer making loads of apps for clients, then maybe. But then reseller might be the way to go? https://new.shoutem.com/pricing/agency/ https://new.shoutem.com/pricing/agency/
mlevental 9y ago
how does the component library compare to nativebase?
- thawab 9y ago
  this is their UI kit: https://github.com/shoutem/ui https://github.com/shoutem/ui most of the extensions in their platform are open source: https://github.com/shoutem/extensions https://github.com/shoutem/extensions
  - homarp 9y ago
    the UI is BSD. The extension is a bit different: https://github.com/shoutem/extensions/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/shoutem/extensions/blob/master/LICENSE
techaddict009 9y ago
Seems good. Is it free or how? If its not free can you add pricing page properly visible? And also can you fix "40+ full-featured extensions" section css/jquery on hover its moving in speed I am unable to check all list.
- mtphil 9y ago
  Looks like pricing/more detailed info is on their main (non-Github) website: https://new.shoutem.com/ https://new.shoutem.com/
- anatolinicolae 9y ago
  The UI component collection is free, their CMS is paid. https://new.shoutem.com/pricing/ https://new.shoutem.com/pricing/
emersonrsantos 9y ago
Looks very interesting, however you risk being rejected on the Apple app store because of this guideline: “4.2.2 Other than catalogs, apps shouldn’t primarily be marketing materials, advertisements, web clippings, content aggregators, or a collection of links”.
- mlevental 9y ago
  how so?
  - emersonrsantos 9y ago
    Because this doesn't differ from a mobile web browsing experience - content aggregated from the Web.
usaphp 9y ago
It’s weird that the app they decided to showcase [1] using their product - has one stars as majority of ratings with a main reason of it crashing all the time. If that’s the best what they could have shown, I wonder how bad it can get then [1] - https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/brides-wedding-genius-5-1/id426415850 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/brides-wedding-genius-5-1/id...
- anatolinicolae 9y ago
  To be honest, I had some issues on a fresh app with only shoutem-ui which seems to fail in some parts on latest React + RN. https://github.com/shoutem/ui/issues/327 https://github.com/shoutem/ui/issues/327 https://github.com/shoutem/ui/issues/328 https://github.com/shoutem/ui/issues/328
- sampl 9y ago
  All those comments seem to be 4-6 years old
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amelius 9y ago
I'm not sure why I should have myself forced into another framework, when I could have just imported those components if I wanted them. Also, aren't many such components not available as open source already?
- anatolinicolae 9y ago
  It's not a framework, the UI library has React Native components that help you build your app. You can use their Builder to integrate the CMS, but that's another thing.
mobitar 9y ago
In case you’re curious about React Native in general, I wrote about my positive experience with it when shipping a cross-platform (encrypted) notes app: https://listed.standardnotes.org/@mo/235/i-ve-seen-heaven-and-it-s-written-in-javascript https://listed.standardnotes.org/@mo/235/i-ve-seen-heaven-an...
ryannevius 9y ago
Just my two cents: I'm currently building an app on the Shoutem platform, and have been required to extend one of the Shoutem extensions to do so. I have been in direct communication with the Shoutem team throughout this proces, and have gotten to know the platform intimately. A month into it, I can honestly say I can't recommend using the platform (yet). While the idea is an interesting one, it's bloated, buggy, slow, and doesn't offer much over optimizing a website for mobile devices. That said, the team behind the platform is great, and I'm confident they'll work out the kinks over the coming months to make it more user/developer friendly.
- bschwindHN 9y ago
  > it's bloated, buggy, slow But they said "Shoutem apps are slick and fast", how could this be???
  - anatolinicolae 9y ago
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TeeWEE 9y ago
While I like react and react native, i still think requireing to run a JS interpreter in order to run a native "like" app is still not good engineering practice. I'm betting on multi-platform-projects (MPP) with Kotlin and Kotlin-Native. Engineering wise much more sound, however the iOS and Android platform should have some more support for Reactive like UI's. Without needing JavaScript.
- gman83 9y ago
  Flutter is a reactive framework that uses Dart, not JavaScript, if that's more to your liking.
  - 4lch3m1st 9y ago
    Pardon my ignorance, but isn't Flutter a little immature too? I remember playing with it and Dart a while ago, still didn't seem to have everything necessary to ship something to production. With that said, I think Dart isn't really a language popular enough to replace JS in big projects right now.
jeffehobbs 9y ago
This is a great team. Hats off for this release and I can’t wait to play with it.
j45 9y ago
Has anyone used Shoutem and Appery? I am on a grandfathered plan of the latter but Shoutem looks quite interesting.
truetuna 9y ago
I've used Shoutem's standalone UI library[1] for my last project but haven't used their platform as a whole. During that time, I found it painful to get it working. Their documentation[2] wasn't great. It was out of date (missing component attributes, icons etc.) and lacked good examples. Often I would have to dig into the source to figure out obscure errors. When I first starting using @shoutem/ui, I couldn't use the latest version of React Native because they locked themselves into an experimental feature[3] which even until now, seems like it hasn't properly resolved. Again. I can't comment on their platform but I didn't have a good time using their UI library. Had I known this, I would have just gone with NativeBase[4]. [1] - https://github.com/shoutem/ui https://github.com/shoutem/ui [2] - https://shoutem.github.io/docs/ui-toolkit/components/typography https://shoutem.github.io/docs/ui-toolkit/components/typogra... [3] - https://github.com/shoutem/ui/issues/241 https://github.com/shoutem/ui/issues/241 [4] - https://nativebase.io/ https://nativebase.io/
vitalychernobyl 9y ago
We tried working with it and this isn't really a thing - the support is non-existent, the documentation is lacking. When contacted, they admitted that the only apps published using the Shoutem platform are ones that the company custom-built for some clients (their services are $10k+ a pop). It sounds like this is just a marketing ploy and a way to get around Apple's new rules about app-builders.

Folks at Shoutem poured years of effort into building this platform and it definately shows. The product is really solid and I recommend taking a better look at it if you're planning to build a mobile app.

stemuk 9y ago

Looks pretty great, are there any demo apps available to play with?

k__ 9y ago

Looks good. Currently I'm using Expo, which is rather nice, but I have to detach rather often, because of stuff like PDF annotations or binary file storage. How does Shoutem compare to Expo?

daemonfire300 9y ago
Never Had to detach Expo. Is that the case when using native Code?
anatolinicolae 9y ago
Expo is used to run/preview a React Native app where Shoutem is both a CMS that you can use to manage your app's data and a UI library that you can use to build your app.
- k__ 9y ago
  Ah, so a bit like Firebase+Bootstrap? Or Meteor?
  - anatolinicolae 9y ago
    Yeah, kind of a Firebase + Bootstrap which are respectively Shoutem CMS and Shoutem UI.

spiderfarmer 9y ago

$149 / month is a bit too high for most apps.

anatolinicolae 9y ago
Stick with building the app yourself only relying on their UI component collection which is free.
SwellJoe 9y ago
There are other options. It took me a bit of clicking around to find the pricing information: https://new.shoutem.com/pricing/ https://new.shoutem.com/pricing/
- spiderfarmer 9y ago
  Those are options with less functionality, it's not a tiered price, so you'll have to be sure your app will be a financial succes before you start developing.
maaaats 9y ago
If I were a developer making loads of apps for clients, then maybe. But then reseller might be the way to go? https://new.shoutem.com/pricing/agency/ https://new.shoutem.com/pricing/agency/

mlevental 9y ago

how does the component library compare to nativebase?

thawab 9y ago
this is their UI kit: https://github.com/shoutem/ui https://github.com/shoutem/ui most of the extensions in their platform are open source: https://github.com/shoutem/extensions https://github.com/shoutem/extensions
- homarp 9y ago
  the UI is BSD. The extension is a bit different: https://github.com/shoutem/extensions/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/shoutem/extensions/blob/master/LICENSE

techaddict009 9y ago

Seems good. Is it free or how? If its not free can you add pricing page properly visible? And also can you fix "40+ full-featured extensions" section css/jquery on hover its moving in speed I am unable to check all list.

mtphil 9y ago
Looks like pricing/more detailed info is on their main (non-Github) website: https://new.shoutem.com/ https://new.shoutem.com/
anatolinicolae 9y ago
The UI component collection is free, their CMS is paid. https://new.shoutem.com/pricing/ https://new.shoutem.com/pricing/

emersonrsantos 9y ago

Looks very interesting, however you risk being rejected on the Apple app store because of this guideline: “4.2.2 Other than catalogs, apps shouldn’t primarily be marketing materials, advertisements, web clippings, content aggregators, or a collection of links”.

mlevental 9y ago
how so?
- emersonrsantos 9y ago
  Because this doesn't differ from a mobile web browsing experience - content aggregated from the Web.

usaphp 9y ago

It’s weird that the app they decided to showcase [1] using their product - has one stars as majority of ratings with a main reason of it crashing all the time. If that’s the best what they could have shown, I wonder how bad it can get then [1] - https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/brides-wedding-genius-5-1/id426415850 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/brides-wedding-genius-5-1/id...

anatolinicolae 9y ago
To be honest, I had some issues on a fresh app with only shoutem-ui which seems to fail in some parts on latest React + RN. https://github.com/shoutem/ui/issues/327 https://github.com/shoutem/ui/issues/327 https://github.com/shoutem/ui/issues/328 https://github.com/shoutem/ui/issues/328
sampl 9y ago
All those comments seem to be 4-6 years old

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amelius 9y ago

I'm not sure why I should have myself forced into another framework, when I could have just imported those components if I wanted them. Also, aren't many such components not available as open source already?

anatolinicolae 9y ago
It's not a framework, the UI library has React Native components that help you build your app. You can use their Builder to integrate the CMS, but that's another thing.

mobitar 9y ago

In case you’re curious about React Native in general, I wrote about my positive experience with it when shipping a cross-platform (encrypted) notes app: https://listed.standardnotes.org/@mo/235/i-ve-seen-heaven-and-it-s-written-in-javascript https://listed.standardnotes.org/@mo/235/i-ve-seen-heaven-an...

ryannevius 9y ago

Just my two cents: I'm currently building an app on the Shoutem platform, and have been required to extend one of the Shoutem extensions to do so. I have been in direct communication with the Shoutem team throughout this proces, and have gotten to know the platform intimately. A month into it, I can honestly say I can't recommend using the platform (yet). While the idea is an interesting one, it's bloated, buggy, slow, and doesn't offer much over optimizing a website for mobile devices. That said, the team behind the platform is great, and I'm confident they'll work out the kinks over the coming months to make it more user/developer friendly.

bschwindHN 9y ago
> it's bloated, buggy, slow But they said "Shoutem apps are slick and fast", how could this be???
- anatolinicolae 9y ago
  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

TeeWEE 9y ago

While I like react and react native, i still think requireing to run a JS interpreter in order to run a native "like" app is still not good engineering practice. I'm betting on multi-platform-projects (MPP) with Kotlin and Kotlin-Native. Engineering wise much more sound, however the iOS and Android platform should have some more support for Reactive like UI's. Without needing JavaScript.

gman83 9y ago
Flutter is a reactive framework that uses Dart, not JavaScript, if that's more to your liking.
- 4lch3m1st 9y ago
  Pardon my ignorance, but isn't Flutter a little immature too? I remember playing with it and Dart a while ago, still didn't seem to have everything necessary to ship something to production. With that said, I think Dart isn't really a language popular enough to replace JS in big projects right now.

jeffehobbs 9y ago

This is a great team. Hats off for this release and I can’t wait to play with it.

j45 9y ago

Has anyone used Shoutem and Appery? I am on a grandfathered plan of the latter but Shoutem looks quite interesting.

truetuna 9y ago

I've used Shoutem's standalone UI library[1] for my last project but haven't used their platform as a whole. During that time, I found it painful to get it working. Their documentation[2] wasn't great. It was out of date (missing component attributes, icons etc.) and lacked good examples. Often I would have to dig into the source to figure out obscure errors. When I first starting using @shoutem/ui, I couldn't use the latest version of React Native because they locked themselves into an experimental feature[3] which even until now, seems like it hasn't properly resolved. Again. I can't comment on their platform but I didn't have a good time using their UI library. Had I known this, I would have just gone with NativeBase[4]. [1] - https://github.com/shoutem/ui https://github.com/shoutem/ui [2] - https://shoutem.github.io/docs/ui-toolkit/components/typography https://shoutem.github.io/docs/ui-toolkit/components/typogra... [3] - https://github.com/shoutem/ui/issues/241 https://github.com/shoutem/ui/issues/241 [4] - https://nativebase.io/ https://nativebase.io/

vitalychernobyl 9y ago

We tried working with it and this isn't really a thing - the support is non-existent, the documentation is lacking. When contacted, they admitted that the only apps published using the Shoutem platform are ones that the company custom-built for some clients (their services are $10k+ a pop). It sounds like this is just a marketing ploy and a way to get around Apple's new rules about app-builders.