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This does nothing. The 'little guys' have gotten scape-goated. I don't see Infosys, CapGemini, TCS (Tata Consultancy Services), Cognizant, Tech Mahindra or for

This does nothing. The 'little guys' have gotten scape-goated. I don't see Infosys, CapGemini, TCS (Tata Consultancy Services), Cognizant, Tech Mahindra or for that matter any of the Top 10 H1B Visa Abusers [1] in this List. Business as Usual. It's strikingly similar to the list of countries in the Trump's Muslim Ban wherein countries that sponsored terrorism, but that in which he had business interests in ,were not listed, incl. Saudi Arabia ( 15 of the 19 911 hijackers were Saudi Citizens) EDIT: Addressing @praneshp's question. Microsoft might be a red herring, but the rest, esp. the Indian Companies like TCS, Infosys, Congnizant are also the TOP 10 Abusers of H1B Visa. Speaking from personal experience here. I've written at length about this on Quora, so don't want to re-hash it. You can read it here => https://www.quora.com/Being-on-H1B-is-it-worth-joining-TCS-in-the-US-1/answer/Shiva-Kumar-1902?srid=C5p https://www.quora.com/Being-on-H1B-is-it-worth-joining-TCS-i... Not only do these Indian Companies abuse the H1B Visa program, but they also abuse and underpay the workers they bring on the H1B Program. I've written about this also in my Quora answer linked above. [1] Source: https://sc.cnbcfm.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/files/2017/04/18/H-1BVisas-01_0.png https://sc.cnbcfm.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/files/...

praneshp 9y ago
Asking because I have no clue: You just linked to the top-10 H1B holders, not abusers, no? I see Microsoft on that list, and find it difficult to believe they are abusers. From what I know from extended family, firms like the ones in the link do things like faking a job/resume, etc. Do the large Indian firms do that as well, in addition to flooding the lottery pool?
- bactrian 9y ago
  Microsoft hires thousands of H1B workers for generic roles like project manager and software developer. Do you really think there aren’t Americans that could fill those roles? Of course there are but it would cost more. A true shortage would not affect Microsoft at all. They have as much money as anyone. This is a dirty secret of tech that you can’t discuss without being labeled racist or xenophobic no matter how untrue that is.
  - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
    > Do you really think there aren’t Americans that could fill those roles? Would they fill them at a similar level of quality? That is to say, if you forced similar wages on both and removed the cost of bringing someone from overseas into the country, would the employer hire the foreigner? If so, I see the visa programme as fulfilling one of its roles: adding to the American braintrust. If not, you have a point. Most studies I've seen don't attempt to answer this question, instead devolving to the easier-to-answer if useless "could they have found an American who met the job requirements".
    - slantedview 9y ago
      > Would they fill them at a similar level of quality? That is to say, if you forced similar wages on both Forcing certain wages on American workers is not the way that H1B is intended to work which is basically the point here. H1B is ostensibly intended to allow employers to fulfill roles that cannot be filled at any salary by US workers.
      - oh-kumudo 9y ago
        If anything, coders aren't the ones who are under paid in US. Their salary are HIGH. To be the devil's advocate, the H1B visa is created specifically for the purpose to bring down the cost of employers, by opening up to global talent supply, no matter under what disguise. And software industry seems to me is exactly the sector what H1B is intended to apply on.
        wolfgke 9y ago
        The interesting metric is "salary - costs of living". Since the costs of living are very high in SF, they are not paid that well.
        oh-kumudo 9y ago
        Not every programmers are living in SF. And I do think it is misleading to say programmers' salary is not high because of the cost-of-living. Cost-of-living applies on EVERYONE, there are many waiters/drivers/artists living in SF, and I don't believe they get additional rebate because they are not doing computer work.
ifhd 9y ago
> Top 10 H1B Visa Abusers [1] in this List. That's not a list of abusers, it's just a list of companies getting the visas. Still informative, since you can see that Deloitte and Microsoft have a pretty massive gap in salaries over the rest.
curiousDog 9y ago
Agreed. There's 100s more. I wish there was an avenue to directly report these body shops. Here's one: http://www.ccsiusa.net/ http://www.ccsiusa.net/ (Corporate Computer Services, detroit). Even their Glassdoor reviews are fake.
desireco42 9y ago
Tata is probably the worst, but InfoSys etc... totally right.
wtf_is_up 9y ago
Weren't the countries from the travel ban already identified under the Obama administration as being failed states incapable of verifying documents or nations refusing to do so? It makes sense that he would do business in nations with functioning government.

praneshp 9y ago

Asking because I have no clue: You just linked to the top-10 H1B holders, not abusers, no? I see Microsoft on that list, and find it difficult to believe they are abusers. From what I know from extended family, firms like the ones in the link do things like faking a job/resume, etc. Do the large Indian firms do that as well, in addition to flooding the lottery pool?

bactrian 9y ago
Microsoft hires thousands of H1B workers for generic roles like project manager and software developer. Do you really think there aren’t Americans that could fill those roles? Of course there are but it would cost more. A true shortage would not affect Microsoft at all. They have as much money as anyone. This is a dirty secret of tech that you can’t discuss without being labeled racist or xenophobic no matter how untrue that is.
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago
  > Do you really think there aren’t Americans that could fill those roles? Would they fill them at a similar level of quality? That is to say, if you forced similar wages on both and removed the cost of bringing someone from overseas into the country, would the employer hire the foreigner? If so, I see the visa programme as fulfilling one of its roles: adding to the American braintrust. If not, you have a point. Most studies I've seen don't attempt to answer this question, instead devolving to the easier-to-answer if useless "could they have found an American who met the job requirements".
  - slantedview 9y ago
    > Would they fill them at a similar level of quality? That is to say, if you forced similar wages on both Forcing certain wages on American workers is not the way that H1B is intended to work which is basically the point here. H1B is ostensibly intended to allow employers to fulfill roles that cannot be filled at any salary by US workers.
    - oh-kumudo 9y ago
      If anything, coders aren't the ones who are under paid in US. Their salary are HIGH. To be the devil's advocate, the H1B visa is created specifically for the purpose to bring down the cost of employers, by opening up to global talent supply, no matter under what disguise. And software industry seems to me is exactly the sector what H1B is intended to apply on.
      - wolfgke 9y ago
        The interesting metric is "salary - costs of living". Since the costs of living are very high in SF, they are not paid that well.
        oh-kumudo 9y ago
        Not every programmers are living in SF. And I do think it is misleading to say programmers' salary is not high because of the cost-of-living. Cost-of-living applies on EVERYONE, there are many waiters/drivers/artists living in SF, and I don't believe they get additional rebate because they are not doing computer work.

ifhd 9y ago

> Top 10 H1B Visa Abusers [1] in this List. That's not a list of abusers, it's just a list of companies getting the visas. Still informative, since you can see that Deloitte and Microsoft have a pretty massive gap in salaries over the rest.

curiousDog 9y ago

Agreed. There's 100s more. I wish there was an avenue to directly report these body shops. Here's one: http://www.ccsiusa.net/ http://www.ccsiusa.net/ (Corporate Computer Services, detroit). Even their Glassdoor reviews are fake.

desireco42 9y ago

Tata is probably the worst, but InfoSys etc... totally right.

wtf_is_up 9y ago

Weren't the countries from the travel ban already identified under the Obama administration as being failed states incapable of verifying documents or nations refusing to do so? It makes sense that he would do business in nations with functioning government.