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One thing to Apple PR credit is faceid. For me it's hot needle replacement for failed attempt to integrate touchid into display, but for most people it is innov
by finchisko 9y ago
One thing to Apple PR credit is faceid. For me it's hot needle replacement for failed attempt to integrate touchid into display, but for most people it is innovation.
- dbbk 9y agoPlease do explain why you don't view Face ID as an innovation over existing technology.
- bane 9y agoUnlocking your phone with your face has been a regular feature of many smartphones for at least 5 years.
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- haikuginger 9y agoBeing able to unlock someone else's phone with a picture of their face has been a bug for the same length of time.
- yequalsx 9y agoThe innovation is in implementing it well. I have no idea if Apple has implemented this feature well but if they did then it’s innovative. The innovation is not in being first it’s in doing it well first. EDIT: It is innovative to do things well for the first time.
- sqlcook 9y agoYou mean with a picture of your face....
- pwdisswordfish 9y agoNo wonder Android people do not understand why people pay good money for very locked down iPhone, to them crappy implementation for hardware and software is good enough.
- mercurysmessage 9y agoIt appears you haven't touched a decent android phone before. I think you probably should before making these kind of comments.
- parzivalm 9y agoWhy the troll comment? There are good and bad points to both ecosystems. For instance the Fingerprint reader on my Pixel is faster and more accurate than the TouchID on my iPhone 7. That doesn't make me go, iPhone sucks. The implementation on Facial Recognition may not be as great on the android phones that support it, but that doesn't mean you should bash a whole ecosystem and community of people.
- uptown 9y agoIt's innovation -- but it's also at the expense of taking away a feature I regularly use. I frequently unlock a phone that's flat on a desk that's at an arm's length. Now, to unlock, I suspect I'll need to lift and point that device towards my face in order to authenticate. Since I haven't tried the iPhone X yet, I'm not sure how liberal they are with the angle required to capture your face, but it seems unlikely this can be done with the device flat on a desk. To me, that's unfortunate ... and it's a feature change that having TouchID integrated into the display, as was rumored to be their original intention, would have avoided.
- curiousgal 9y agoNot to be blunt but why get the phone if it’s going to make your life miserable in a sense?
- uptown 9y agoMiserable? I don't think that's likely to happen. It's only a phone. I'm speaking about convenience. I'm not certain I'm getting the phone. But if I do, it'll be for the camera. It's my number one use case of my phone, and it seems like it's got a great camera. I know there are good alternatives from Android, but I'm largely married to the Apple ecosystem.
- iainmerrick 9y agoIf you're an Apple user, you don't really get a choice over whether to adopt this new stuff. You'll either buy it now, or you'll have to buy it anyway the next time you upgrade because there won't be any other options. Or you switch to Android. Often this is fine because the new stuff is unambiguously great. Sometimes it's miserable. That's life as an Apple customer.
- mgce 9y agoI bought an iPhone 6 on eBay about a month ago after another one broke. It's good as new, works perfectly, was super-easy to purchase. So don't worry: the Apple upgrade cycle really isn't that bad.
- finchisko 9y agoI'm asking same question. How is faceid innovation over touchid? But to answer your question. With touchid you can unlock your phone immediately you bring it out of pocket. I don't see any additional value over touchid. For me it's actually inferior, because I have to grab the phone even for simple tasks, like reading new message. So why should I accept this? Because of larger screen, which is not even bezel to bezel? Also don't act as face recognition is apple thing. They didn't invent it or weren't first to use it. Innovation is when you bring something new and unique to the table. PS: I'm apple fan, but not sheep to accept anything they bring blindly.
- isthisnagee 9y agoYou make a good point, but to counter, can modern touchscreen phones be used without looking at them? Volume buttons and power off / on can be used without looking, but you can also use those without unlocking your phone.
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- bussierem 9y agoI don't speak for others, but yes I can navigate from locked phone to messages and type a full message to my wife without looking at the screen, thanks to qwerty knowledge and GBoard's "swipe" typing.
- isthisnagee 9y agoHow do you deal with your phone being in different states before unlocking? For example, if you have an app open in a folder, you'll have to press the home button 3 times: once to exit the app, another to exit the folder, and a third to go home (unless the messages app is on the dock, then you can press twice to reach it). I'd be worried about messaging the wrong person, and I also have fat fingers so that's no help :(
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- notheguyouthink 9y agoNot OP - but it's not innovation for me personally. Not technically, I mean it's not a feature that I expect to make an impact in my life, and if the iPhone 12 (or w/e) has support for Display TouchID then I'd never use FaceID again. This is all speculation of course - and likely outside of the scope of this conversation, hopefully I'm not detracting too much though :)
- pjc50 9y agoI'm kind of surprised on this because it's been around on various Android and Windows devices for a while. I understand that it might be more reliable and faster, but that's incremental rather than revolutionary.
- iainmerrick 9y ago"Reliable and fast" is exactly why TouchID was so great when they introduced it. They aren't just nice-to-have features, they're the bare minimum requirements for this kind of thing -- a feature that you use constantly, and which gates your access to all other features.
- zimpenfish 9y ago> "Reliable and fast" is exactly why TouchID was so great when they introduced it. Although it wasn't particularly either when it was first introduced.
- iainmerrick 9y agoI think you misremember. Here’s Daring Fireball on the iPhone 5S (https://daringfireball.net/2013/09/the_iphone_5s_and_5c https://daringfireball.net/2013/09/the_iphone_5s_and_5c): “Once you’ve added a fingerprint, subsequent scans of that finger are nearly instantaneous. Touch ID is way faster than “fast enough”. I’d call it “I can’t believe it works this quickly” fast. It’s also very accurate — only a handful of times over the past week have I had to try a second time, and each of those times, I hadn’t really squared up my finger with the sensor.” I know many people regard DF as overly biased, but as I recall, the general reception for Touch ID was very positive. Let me know if you find a review that says otherwise.
- zimpenfish 9y ago> Let me know if you find a review that says otherwise. Personal experience from having got a 5S at launch. And every iPhone with Touch ID since.
- yequalsx 9y agoYou appear to be assuming that integrating Touch ID into the display was Apple's first choice. If face ID works as promised I can’t see why anyone would prefer Touch ID over Face ID. Even if your assumption is correct Face ID is still innovative.
- pacala 9y agoTouchID requires me to touch the device. I _know_ when I'm identified. FaceID works at a distance, data could easily leak to any number of surveillance programs, corporate or governmental.
- yequalsx 9y agoEDIT: I understand your response now. Thank you for providing such an example.
- zimpenfish 9y ago> FaceID works at a distance Do you know what distance? I mean, literally no-one has an iPhone X right now to test this. > data could easily leak to any number of surveillance programs Never leaves the Secure Enclave on the phone - same as Touch ID.
- ProAm 9y ago> I mean, literally no-one has an iPhone X right now to test this. You're commenting on an article written by a guy with an iPhoneX
- zimpenfish 9y agoTrue but which mentions nothing about Face ID working at a distance or whether he even tested that.
- pertymcpert 9y agoThe data won't be leaked.
- gehsty 9y agoWhy is TouchID superior to FaceID? I just want to understand why you think FaceID is a failure? If FaceID lives up to Apples claims it will have less friction and higher security, so win win, and I'm sure Apple are aware of how popular TouchID is, I don't see them replacing it with a dud.
- dogma1138 9y agoBecause it can be unlocked in your pocket for SOS use cases. Because it can be unlocked under the table or at a very low angle to be used in places such as a restaurant, meeting room, theater etc. Because one can use TouchID for Apple Pay much quicker and more reliably in a crowded/rushed situation such as paying for public transport. Becuase TouchID actually allows multiple users on the same device if if that is not an intended feature. The list can go on....
- zimpenfish 9y ago> Because one can use TouchID for Apple Pay much quicker and more reliably Until people actually have the phones in their hands, how can you claim this?
- PacketPaul 9y agoBut in reality how many times do you unlock your phone and not look at it?
- dogma1138 9y agoI do it constantly i also unlock it at very odd angles all the time from when sitting on the toilet to when sleeping to not wake my SO up.
- solidr53 9y agoOk, you unlock in your pocket for SOS, what then? You can't see what you are doing anyway.
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- harshaw 9y agoJust to get this out there, faceID uses a depth "camera" (right??) Previous approaches on Android, etc use image rec from the front camera.
- hunta2097 9y agoYes, I think the FaceID (a culmination of their purchase of PrimeSense in 2014) is along the same lines as Google's Project Tango. Project Tango looks amazing but will it ever get beyond the developer-edition phones and tablets and into our pockets? As much as I admire them, Google seems to do hardware launches very badly.