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This feels like an entirely unnecessary risk. Yes, it would be good to having plenty of iPhone Xs available for the holidays, but they're a year-round seller, a

by untog 9y ago

This feels like an entirely unnecessary risk. Yes, it would be good to having plenty of iPhone Xs available for the holidays, but they're a year-round seller, and they'll sell a ton whenever they come out. Feels like a strategic mistake by Apple - the iPhone 8 is pretty underwhelming (should be called 7S) and they were so caught up in the mystique of the ten year anniversary that they had to have something else.

datawarrior 9y ago
I'm not so sure they will sell a ton. Most of the talk I've heard has been "meh" regarding it. I'm personally holding off until I see more hands on reviews and feel comfortable that I wont be a beta tester for Apple. I'm really excited for the screen (not the notch). True blacks are where Apple has really suffered. I love reading at night on my iPad but it's a much worse experience than my Samsung tablet with an OLED screen. The move to OLED by Apple is really the biggest thing here that people aren't paying much attention too.
- bpicolo 9y ago
  They're going to sell a metric crapload of them, there's really no question given the general sentiment out there. It's the biggest change to the most popular smartphone ever.
- seanmcdirmid 9y ago
  They will sell well, especially in china where the fashionistas want a new iPhone that is noticeably different from the 6/7/8.
  - tooltalk 9y ago
    From what I remember, the overall smartphone sales in China is stagnating and Apple's marketshare is shrinking.
    - MBCook 9y ago
      That’s thought to be one of the reasons why. There are 3 years of phones that are effectively identical looking so if want to show off you have the ‘new shiny’ you really can’t because without close inspection no one can tell. The X obviously fixes that. There are rumors a big percentage of the supply will be going to China, more than even distribution. We’ll see.
      - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
        Ya, the X was definitely designed to solve that problem. I don't think it will be nearly as successful in the west as it is in the east (just like larger phones in general).
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ballenf 9y ago
> the iPhone 8 is pretty underwhelming The 8 might well be a 7s, in all but name, but is hardly underwhelming as compared other incremental iPhone releases in my view. For me, it's a bigger improvement to my everyday use of the device by a mile than: 6: larger screen (maybe an exception for this reason) 6s: 3d touch; 2nd gen touch ID 7: jack-less; splash proof; shiny option 8: Heavier/premium feel, wireless charging, much bigger performance bump than usual The 8 is the first phone where the phone can pretty much keep up with my thoughts, which makes it an incredibly different experience. The rhythm of using the device is just an order of magnitude different. The 8 is forgettably underwhelming on its spec sheet (except speed), a marvel and delight in person. Bottom line for me is that the spec sheet is increasingly irrelevant to my satisfaction with a device. I also have zero desire to be the guinea pig for all the new stuff on trial in the X. edited: fixed touch id introduction -- thanks
- gurkendoktor 9y ago
  Is the iPhone 8 on iOS 11 merely faster than other phones running iOS 11, or faster than, for example, an iPhone 5s running iOS 7? I think (but this might be my rose-tinted glasses) that every iPhone since the 3GS ran everything at 60 FPS, and that app launches were mostly limited by the launch animation, until each phone got its first major update. The one obvious outlier is the iPad Pro 10.5 with its 120 Hz display, where everything is smoother than it could possibly be on older devices. I'd love to see data on this that's more accurate than sketchy YouTube comparisons.
  - randallsquared 9y ago
    It's blazing fast in comparison to a 6 Plus running iOS 10. Doesn't exactly answer your question, but perhaps it's a bit of evidence.
  - ballenf 9y ago
    I've used iPhones since the 3gs, and the iPhone 8 allows me to be more productive than any modern phone (had the Samsung S4, s5 and an early Google nexus device) I've owned since the blackberry. I'm sure iOS 12 will slow it down, but for now I feel like my productivity is finally getting back to Blackberry days. My nostalgia for the instant response of those devices has grown over the past few years as phone os's and apps have become increasingly bloated. I really think there'd be a market for an email / messaging only device intended to be carried along side a phone if it did that one thing very well.

by untog 9y ago

datawarrior 9y ago

I'm not so sure they will sell a ton. Most of the talk I've heard has been "meh" regarding it. I'm personally holding off until I see more hands on reviews and feel comfortable that I wont be a beta tester for Apple. I'm really excited for the screen (not the notch). True blacks are where Apple has really suffered. I love reading at night on my iPad but it's a much worse experience than my Samsung tablet with an OLED screen. The move to OLED by Apple is really the biggest thing here that people aren't paying much attention too.

bpicolo 9y ago
They're going to sell a metric crapload of them, there's really no question given the general sentiment out there. It's the biggest change to the most popular smartphone ever.
seanmcdirmid 9y ago
They will sell well, especially in china where the fashionistas want a new iPhone that is noticeably different from the 6/7/8.
- tooltalk 9y ago
  From what I remember, the overall smartphone sales in China is stagnating and Apple's marketshare is shrinking.
  - MBCook 9y ago
    That’s thought to be one of the reasons why. There are 3 years of phones that are effectively identical looking so if want to show off you have the ‘new shiny’ you really can’t because without close inspection no one can tell. The X obviously fixes that. There are rumors a big percentage of the supply will be going to China, more than even distribution. We’ll see.
    - seanmcdirmid 9y ago
      Ya, the X was definitely designed to solve that problem. I don't think it will be nearly as successful in the west as it is in the east (just like larger phones in general).

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ballenf 9y ago

> the iPhone 8 is pretty underwhelming The 8 might well be a 7s, in all but name, but is hardly underwhelming as compared other incremental iPhone releases in my view. For me, it's a bigger improvement to my everyday use of the device by a mile than: 6: larger screen (maybe an exception for this reason) 6s: 3d touch; 2nd gen touch ID 7: jack-less; splash proof; shiny option 8: Heavier/premium feel, wireless charging, much bigger performance bump than usual The 8 is the first phone where the phone can pretty much keep up with my thoughts, which makes it an incredibly different experience. The rhythm of using the device is just an order of magnitude different. The 8 is forgettably underwhelming on its spec sheet (except speed), a marvel and delight in person. Bottom line for me is that the spec sheet is increasingly irrelevant to my satisfaction with a device. I also have zero desire to be the guinea pig for all the new stuff on trial in the X. edited: fixed touch id introduction -- thanks

gurkendoktor 9y ago
Is the iPhone 8 on iOS 11 merely faster than other phones running iOS 11, or faster than, for example, an iPhone 5s running iOS 7? I think (but this might be my rose-tinted glasses) that every iPhone since the 3GS ran everything at 60 FPS, and that app launches were mostly limited by the launch animation, until each phone got its first major update. The one obvious outlier is the iPad Pro 10.5 with its 120 Hz display, where everything is smoother than it could possibly be on older devices. I'd love to see data on this that's more accurate than sketchy YouTube comparisons.
- randallsquared 9y ago
  It's blazing fast in comparison to a 6 Plus running iOS 10. Doesn't exactly answer your question, but perhaps it's a bit of evidence.
- ballenf 9y ago
  I've used iPhones since the 3gs, and the iPhone 8 allows me to be more productive than any modern phone (had the Samsung S4, s5 and an early Google nexus device) I've owned since the blackberry. I'm sure iOS 12 will slow it down, but for now I feel like my productivity is finally getting back to Blackberry days. My nostalgia for the instant response of those devices has grown over the past few years as phone os's and apps have become increasingly bloated. I really think there'd be a market for an email / messaging only device intended to be carried along side a phone if it did that one thing very well.