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Yep. Like the FAQ page.

by whichdan 9y ago

bauerd 9y ago
Can you please elaborate what is discriminating about the photos/FAQ contents?
- MBCook 9y ago
  You don’t see a problem? That’s indicitave if the issue here. There are many people who don’t see anything wrong with this kind of imagery.
  - bauerd 9y ago
    Well how about you enlighten me then?
    - MBCook 9y ago
      There are TONS of resources out there on sexist image of women in advertising. I’m not going to play the ‘why dont you spoon feed it to me so I can rebut stuff or change the discussion’ game. If you want to know there are plenty of resources. If you’re trying to be obstinant I’m not going to play. Given the general attitude here on HN I expect it’s the later.
      - bauerd 9y ago
        And I'm not gonna play the "Guess other peoples' arguments" game. The pictures are sexist because they're sexist and if I want to know what makes them sexist I should find some resources that come to the same conclusion? Sorry, it's just stupid.
        MBCook 9y ago
        No. The reason is because there are tons of resources out there on this topic. Nothing either of us say is going to be new, so there is no point in having a debate here. If you’re interested you can find the answers. But it’s a common tactic for trolls to try and get the other person to explain it all so they can try to poke holes or just annoy the other person. To “make you tell me why I’m wrong, mr supposedly good person”. And I don’t want to get into that. If that’s nit you, that’s fine. The resources you’ll find online will probably explain things way better that i would off the cuff typing into my phone anyway.
        b6 9y ago
        > But it’s a common tactic for trolls to try and get the other person to explain it It's a common tactic for SJWs to insist something is wrong and then refuse to present an explanation or argument ("go educate yourself!")
- whichdan 9y ago
  The pictures are clearly sexualized. You'd never see pictures like that with men doing those poses. It's the same as the issue with booth babes.
  - bauerd 9y ago
    Of course you would, the stock photography style is used extensively in the "Head First" book series: http://www.headfirstlabs.com/index.php http://www.headfirstlabs.com/index.php Edit: I'd also dispute that the photos depict anything remotely sexual.
  - pbhjpbhj 9y ago
    Sexualised? I think you've been indoors too long, or maybe I have, either way they don't seem in any way sexual to me. They're people smiling and holding the product, but sexual? Booth babes, absolutely, if they're dressed in an purposefully alluring way. [Though hang on, self-styled feminists have taught me "women should be allowed to dress as they please", erm, booth babes are fine as long as they're wearing what they want to wear???]
- soneil 9y ago
  While I tend to think this is leaning towards taking it too seriously, I’ll bite. The ‘booth babe’ problem. A ‘booth babe’ used in a marketting shot is standing beside the car. If a man was used, he’d be driving the car (or at least pretending to). These shots have the same problem. The “sitting in the car” equivalent would be a desk, with the keypad setup beside their regular keyboard, with someone pretending to actually use it. Yaknow, like a person uses a keyboard. Instead we get the booth babe effect of waving it around like a novelty-sized cheque. These models aren’t driving the car.

Yep. Like the FAQ page.

bauerd 9y ago

Can you please elaborate what is discriminating about the photos/FAQ contents?

MBCook 9y ago
You don’t see a problem? That’s indicitave if the issue here. There are many people who don’t see anything wrong with this kind of imagery.
- bauerd 9y ago
  Well how about you enlighten me then?
  - MBCook 9y ago
    There are TONS of resources out there on sexist image of women in advertising. I’m not going to play the ‘why dont you spoon feed it to me so I can rebut stuff or change the discussion’ game. If you want to know there are plenty of resources. If you’re trying to be obstinant I’m not going to play. Given the general attitude here on HN I expect it’s the later.
    - bauerd 9y ago
      And I'm not gonna play the "Guess other peoples' arguments" game. The pictures are sexist because they're sexist and if I want to know what makes them sexist I should find some resources that come to the same conclusion? Sorry, it's just stupid.
      - MBCook 9y ago
        No. The reason is because there are tons of resources out there on this topic. Nothing either of us say is going to be new, so there is no point in having a debate here. If you’re interested you can find the answers. But it’s a common tactic for trolls to try and get the other person to explain it all so they can try to poke holes or just annoy the other person. To “make you tell me why I’m wrong, mr supposedly good person”. And I don’t want to get into that. If that’s nit you, that’s fine. The resources you’ll find online will probably explain things way better that i would off the cuff typing into my phone anyway.
        b6 9y ago
        > But it’s a common tactic for trolls to try and get the other person to explain it It's a common tactic for SJWs to insist something is wrong and then refuse to present an explanation or argument ("go educate yourself!")
whichdan 9y ago
The pictures are clearly sexualized. You'd never see pictures like that with men doing those poses. It's the same as the issue with booth babes.
- bauerd 9y ago
  Of course you would, the stock photography style is used extensively in the "Head First" book series: http://www.headfirstlabs.com/index.php http://www.headfirstlabs.com/index.php Edit: I'd also dispute that the photos depict anything remotely sexual.
- pbhjpbhj 9y ago
  Sexualised? I think you've been indoors too long, or maybe I have, either way they don't seem in any way sexual to me. They're people smiling and holding the product, but sexual? Booth babes, absolutely, if they're dressed in an purposefully alluring way. [Though hang on, self-styled feminists have taught me "women should be allowed to dress as they please", erm, booth babes are fine as long as they're wearing what they want to wear???]
soneil 9y ago
While I tend to think this is leaning towards taking it too seriously, I’ll bite. The ‘booth babe’ problem. A ‘booth babe’ used in a marketting shot is standing beside the car. If a man was used, he’d be driving the car (or at least pretending to). These shots have the same problem. The “sitting in the car” equivalent would be a desk, with the keypad setup beside their regular keyboard, with someone pretending to actually use it. Yaknow, like a person uses a keyboard. Instead we get the booth babe effect of waving it around like a novelty-sized cheque. These models aren’t driving the car.