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NYC cops did a work stop, yet crime dropped
- CoolGuySteve 9y agoIs arstechnica broken for anyone else? Every time I scroll down, the page slowly scrolls back up.
- egwynn 9y agoSeems ok for me (iOS 10 in Reeder's embedded browser)
- sogen 9y agoBrowser? Have seen some odd behavior since I updated to safari 11
- CoolGuySteve 9y agoChrome on windows
- mpeg 9y agoI've seen poorly coded ad scripts do that, they assume you're scrolling over them if you've gone past by the time they load and pull you back up the page.
- breadmaster 9y agoThe reports of crime dropped.
- tnzn 9y agoYeah and the whole point of the article is to discuss why. Thanks for your contribution anyways
- bmmayer1 9y agoTo be fair to OP, the mention that reports dropped specifically doesn't happen til the end of paragraph 5, and therefore the headline is misleading.
- lunchables 9y agoThe headline says "crime dropped". It's clearly misleading, parent is just correcting it.
- omginternets 9y agoWhen a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure - Charles Goodhart, Economist
- jessaustin 9y agoWhere is all this epistemological sophistication when we're discussing crime statistics that favor more draconian police tactics?
- omginternets 9y agoAll over the comments section? Seriously, nothing gets HN outraged like police tactics, draconian or otherwise.
- zzzcpan 9y ago"Researchers are now arguing about what this tells us." Don't we have like tons of history showing us that police doesn't actually exist to fight crime? Not much to argue about, unless you believe in government propaganda.
- lr4444lr 9y agoThe article deflates its own headline: During the slowdown, police continued to respond to calls, and the arrest rate for major crimes (murder, rape, robbery, felony assault, burglary, grand larceny, and grand theft auto) remained constant. But the arrest rate for non-major crime and narcotic offenses dropped, as did the number of stop-and-frisk events. So the crime that dropped was that which the cops stopped pursuing because there were no calls about it. No action means no official, recordable data. There's a lot of shady and shoddy data in the social "science" around crime. As has been said more generally, torture the data enough and it will tell you whatever you want to hear. IMHO, the best indicator to look at is murder rate, because there is a body which has to be dealt with and accounted for in the stats, despite any political pressures.
- tnzn 9y agoThe report rates also dropped. You just cherry picked to attack the article here.
- 24gttghh 9y agoIn regards to the "broken windows" model of policing, which sounds eerily like Kristallnacht: "But the authors argue that the data suggests the opposite is true. “The results,” they write, “imply that aggressively enforcing minor legal statutes incites more severe criminal acts.” Rather than proactive policing deterring major crime, Sullivan and O’Keeffe think it’s more likely that this kind of aggressive enforcement “disrupts communal life, which can drain social control of group-level violence.” In other words, overly aggressive policing brings a level of social disruption that actually leads to more crime—and the reduced proactive policing during the slowdown produced a calming effect." Emphasis, mine. Link to Nature article: http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/s41562-017-0211-5 http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/s41562-017-0211-5
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- scarface74 9y agoWhat was the purpose of this article? It didn’t give a definitive conclusion either way nor did it give enough information to discuss intelligently.
- _pmf_ 9y agoThat's Huffington Post level of reporting.
- jessaustin 9y agoOne question seems to have been left unexplored: why did the stoppage stop? Could it have been that police themselves observed by the drop in crime how superfluous or even deleterious their usual contributions to society must be? "We've got to get back to work, or else there will be much less work to get back to!"
- egberts1 9y agoYeah, crimes dropped because cops aren’t reporting in to work, thus not reporting to file crime rates. — in other news, the water is wet.