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So like all the other "3d printed" metals this appears to be laser-sintered. This is the big bait and switches of the 3d printing world: You take a consumer pr

So like all the other "3d printed" metals this appears to be laser-sintered. This is the big bait and switches of the 3d printing world: You take a consumer process (heating up ABS and mushing it together) and conflate it with an industrial process (laser-sintering) so that the public thinks that 3d printed aluminum will soon be available in their maker bot. The story here is that some researches have developed some aluminum alloys with good mechanical properties that can be laser-sintered. This means they can be used in an industrial additive manufacturing process that has as much in common with your 3d printer as a drop forge has with a panini press.

AlphaSite 9y ago
3D printing is pretty much just 3 or 4 vaguely related approaches that happen to aim for the same end goal.
- SigmundA 9y ago
  Sort of like 2d printing (laser, ink jet, dot matrix, thermal transfer, plotter).
mbell 9y ago
There are a few SLS printers that are approaching home/SB use pricing, <$10k. I don't think CO2 lasers are that expensive to build so I would imagine pricing can drop a fair bit if the volume gets there.
- opencl 9y ago
  Sintering metals requires far more powerful lasers than the the cheaper SLS models have, the cheapest models capable of sintering aluminum are much closer to the million dollar mark. The ultra-cheap-market-disrupting-startup Desktop Metal is supposedly going to have something for $120k soon which is an enormous leap over what's currently available but I doubt it'll hit hobbyist level pricing anytime remotely soon.
  - Pica_soO 9y ago
    Just wait till consumers find out how toxic those fumes and particles really get with laser-sintering- and the whole market evaporates anyway.
    - derefr 9y ago
      Compared to $120k for the printer, getting a fume hood installed in your house would be a pretty negligible cost.
  - dogma1138 9y ago
    Desktop metal isn't sintering it's powered metal deposition in a resin matrix. The parts then need to be baked in an oven at near melting point temperatures.
- reportingsjr 9y ago
  Which is super exciting really! Formlabs, who make a really nice stereo lithography printer, announced an SLS printer[1] recently for $10k and I think they will do pretty well with it. They only list nylon as a material right now, but this sort of iteration is exactly what it takes for us to get affordable high quality additive manufacturing machines. [1]: https://formlabs.com/3d-printers/fuse-1/ https://formlabs.com/3d-printers/fuse-1/
froindt 9y ago
Lots of this would be fixed if "rapid prototyping" caught on as the phrase rather than 3d printing. 3d printing (or more broadly rapid prototyping) is unfortunately seen as "the way" to make things for consumers despite the parts you get out frequently severely lacking in some way (form, fit, function). "3d printing" in the most common everyday usage is printing plastic. If you say 3d printing people will click. If you say Selective Laser Sintering or SLS, very few people would click. I wish people would take a bigger interest in manufacturing and making stuff for themselves (within reason). If the part you're printing is a constant thickness with a simple profile and a rod coming out of a hole, go buy a dowel and stock material. You'll get your part faster and you won't be paying 2.50+ per cubic inch of material AND it won't delaminate. But that isn't as easy as clicking a button and getting your replacement part that is far out of spec from your crappy sub-1000 dollar 3d printer.
- gjmulhol 9y ago
  Most people in the industry talk about Additive Manufacturing instead of 3d Printing for industrial metals AM.
zardo 9y ago
It's like that Ninja Turtles branded mutagenic ooze that was supposed to turn me into a mutant ninja, but it was actually just cornstarch, water, and food coloring. You need a similar level of naivete to think a warm plastic extruding machine can print metal.
- olegkikin 9y ago
  I don't see why it can't, at least with low melting point metals like tin and lead. Aluminium is tougher, you need 660°C, but why do you think that's impossible to achieve on a regular 3D printer with some modifications?
  - marcosdumay 9y ago
    It's not the temperature that is the problem (at least not until you get into copper or steel). The problem is that molten metal is a liquid. When you melt a filament, the metal will flow away into the thing you are printing, and then keep flowing until it cools down. Extrusion printers can only work with viscous fluids that must be pushed out of the printing head and will stay in place once deposed at the working piece.
    - olegkikin 9y ago
      Here are people printing in tin and bismuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSzz7jWRlkQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSzz7jWRlkQ
      - marcosdumay 9y ago
        Indeed, that is interesting. In retrospect, yes, solder has some good potential for printing material.
mikeash 9y ago
I thought “3D printing” referred to any additive process like this. I never understood it to imply a consumer-level process costing single-digit thousands.
maxerickson 9y ago
Isn't it just enthusiasm for additive processes in general? I don't see what agenda misleading the public about expensive industrial machinery would serve.
Nokinside 9y ago
Is carbon weaving or automatic fiber placement (AFP) considered additive manufacturing? Carbon weaving loom robot can produce complex high strength objects from carbon fiber. It's clearly not carbon fiber 3d printing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWhoV02AuTU&list=PL8C19F00482CD476F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWhoV02AuTU&list=PL8C19F0048...
joe_the_user 9y ago
Whatever the commonalities of the processes of the various process, I don't see why a process of creating an industrial 3D press that can create "real" solid objects wouldn't eventually allow a transfer of that tech to consumer-grade printers. Altogether, it seems like when an industrial 3D printer can fully print itself, the path to making printer consumer grade would be a lot clearer.

AlphaSite 9y ago

3D printing is pretty much just 3 or 4 vaguely related approaches that happen to aim for the same end goal.

SigmundA 9y ago
Sort of like 2d printing (laser, ink jet, dot matrix, thermal transfer, plotter).

mbell 9y ago

There are a few SLS printers that are approaching home/SB use pricing, <$10k. I don't think CO2 lasers are that expensive to build so I would imagine pricing can drop a fair bit if the volume gets there.

opencl 9y ago
Sintering metals requires far more powerful lasers than the the cheaper SLS models have, the cheapest models capable of sintering aluminum are much closer to the million dollar mark. The ultra-cheap-market-disrupting-startup Desktop Metal is supposedly going to have something for $120k soon which is an enormous leap over what's currently available but I doubt it'll hit hobbyist level pricing anytime remotely soon.
- Pica_soO 9y ago
  Just wait till consumers find out how toxic those fumes and particles really get with laser-sintering- and the whole market evaporates anyway.
  - derefr 9y ago
    Compared to $120k for the printer, getting a fume hood installed in your house would be a pretty negligible cost.
- dogma1138 9y ago
  Desktop metal isn't sintering it's powered metal deposition in a resin matrix. The parts then need to be baked in an oven at near melting point temperatures.
reportingsjr 9y ago
Which is super exciting really! Formlabs, who make a really nice stereo lithography printer, announced an SLS printer[1] recently for $10k and I think they will do pretty well with it. They only list nylon as a material right now, but this sort of iteration is exactly what it takes for us to get affordable high quality additive manufacturing machines. [1]: https://formlabs.com/3d-printers/fuse-1/ https://formlabs.com/3d-printers/fuse-1/

froindt 9y ago

Lots of this would be fixed if "rapid prototyping" caught on as the phrase rather than 3d printing. 3d printing (or more broadly rapid prototyping) is unfortunately seen as "the way" to make things for consumers despite the parts you get out frequently severely lacking in some way (form, fit, function). "3d printing" in the most common everyday usage is printing plastic. If you say 3d printing people will click. If you say Selective Laser Sintering or SLS, very few people would click. I wish people would take a bigger interest in manufacturing and making stuff for themselves (within reason). If the part you're printing is a constant thickness with a simple profile and a rod coming out of a hole, go buy a dowel and stock material. You'll get your part faster and you won't be paying 2.50+ per cubic inch of material AND it won't delaminate. But that isn't as easy as clicking a button and getting your replacement part that is far out of spec from your crappy sub-1000 dollar 3d printer.

gjmulhol 9y ago
Most people in the industry talk about Additive Manufacturing instead of 3d Printing for industrial metals AM.

zardo 9y ago

It's like that Ninja Turtles branded mutagenic ooze that was supposed to turn me into a mutant ninja, but it was actually just cornstarch, water, and food coloring. You need a similar level of naivete to think a warm plastic extruding machine can print metal.

olegkikin 9y ago
I don't see why it can't, at least with low melting point metals like tin and lead. Aluminium is tougher, you need 660°C, but why do you think that's impossible to achieve on a regular 3D printer with some modifications?
- marcosdumay 9y ago
  It's not the temperature that is the problem (at least not until you get into copper or steel). The problem is that molten metal is a liquid. When you melt a filament, the metal will flow away into the thing you are printing, and then keep flowing until it cools down. Extrusion printers can only work with viscous fluids that must be pushed out of the printing head and will stay in place once deposed at the working piece.
  - olegkikin 9y ago
    Here are people printing in tin and bismuth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSzz7jWRlkQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSzz7jWRlkQ
    - marcosdumay 9y ago
      Indeed, that is interesting. In retrospect, yes, solder has some good potential for printing material.

mikeash 9y ago

I thought “3D printing” referred to any additive process like this. I never understood it to imply a consumer-level process costing single-digit thousands.

maxerickson 9y ago

Isn't it just enthusiasm for additive processes in general? I don't see what agenda misleading the public about expensive industrial machinery would serve.

Nokinside 9y ago

Is carbon weaving or automatic fiber placement (AFP) considered additive manufacturing? Carbon weaving loom robot can produce complex high strength objects from carbon fiber. It's clearly not carbon fiber 3d printing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWhoV02AuTU&list=PL8C19F00482CD476F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWhoV02AuTU&list=PL8C19F0048...

joe_the_user 9y ago

Whatever the commonalities of the processes of the various process, I don't see why a process of creating an industrial 3D press that can create "real" solid objects wouldn't eventually allow a transfer of that tech to consumer-grade printers. Altogether, it seems like when an industrial 3D printer can fully print itself, the path to making printer consumer grade would be a lot clearer.