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> Especially now that iOS 11's wifi-off button in the control center no longer actually disables the radio I still can’t belive this decision. I keep my Blueto

> Especially now that iOS 11's wifi-off button in the control center no longer actually disables the radio I still can’t belive this decision. I keep my Bluetooth and Wi-Fi off as much as possible and it’s now difficult to to as a result of this change is ios11. Really bothers me.

sigjuice 9y ago
Apple's explanation of why they did this. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086
- macintux 9y ago
  Thanks, their description is interesting. It’s not quite as bad as I thought.
Razengan 9y ago
Just go into Settings and disable it as usual.
- copperx 9y ago
  Or just place it in Airplane Mode and enable Wifi or Bluetooth selectively. At least that's what I do in iOS 10. I hope it's still possible in 11.
  - KGIII 9y ago
    Doesn't airplane mode disconnect the cellular radio?
MBCook 9y ago
I really don’t understand why people keep those two off. If you’re not using them they use very little battery at this point; it’s not like it was 10 years ago. Since Apple keeps detailed usage statistics (from the people who opt in) my guess is they know how common such a behavior is and it’s obviously low enough they don’t think this change is a problem. I agree with some of the other comments I’ve seen that this probably accomplishes what the user is trying to do (ignoring a Wi-Fi network that’s temporarily behaving poorly) and possibly protecting them (forgetting to turn it back on it running up a huge cell bill). I know I’ve heard complaints from people who accidentally did that a number of times.
- kalleboo 9y ago
  I keep it off because as I ride a train it's connecting to every station wifi and losing it just as quick, completely breaking connectivity.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - IBM 9y ago
    Turn off "ask to join" and it will only connect to known networks.
    - kalleboo 9y ago
      The station wifi is known though, so when I have a long wait for a train at a station I'm not burning data on YouTube
      - swinglock 9y ago
        You can set the known network not to connect automatically. But you can only access that setting when you are in range.
        kalleboo 9y ago
        I didn't know about that setting, thanks for the tip. Will definitely come in handy.
- ronnier 9y ago
  I keep it off because of exploits posted in this article.
nickhalfasleep 9y ago
Faraday cage cases are going to be popular next season.
kevinchen 9y ago
This is a bad take. If your threat model has you concerned about people who follow you around and exploit your Wi-Fi firmware, you probably shouldn't ever have Wi-Fi on -- or maybe you shouldn't be using a smartphone. For everyone else, the new behavior allows users to disconnect from bad Wi-Fi in Control Center while improving their battery life in case they forget to turn Wi-Fi back on.
lathiat 9y ago
I can.. it makes those buttons much more useful for the common case. e.g. this wifi network isn't working, disconnect.. and not forget to reconnect later. I did that often. And also being hassled about location services not working, etc. You can still actually disable both through the settings up, just not with the quick access.
dpkonofa 9y ago
Is it really that difficult to use? C'mon... Just force touch it instead of regular touching and you get the same control as before.
- 0x0 9y ago
  Lots of devices don't support force touch, for example all iPads, and iPhone 5s, 6 and 6plus.
- eklavya 9y ago
  Am I missing something? Force touch doesn't do anything except show a bigger control with all the radio settings. There is no option to disable wifi, you still have to go to the settings.

sigjuice 9y ago

Apple's explanation of why they did this. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086

macintux 9y ago
Thanks, their description is interesting. It’s not quite as bad as I thought.

Razengan 9y ago

Just go into Settings and disable it as usual.

copperx 9y ago
Or just place it in Airplane Mode and enable Wifi or Bluetooth selectively. At least that's what I do in iOS 10. I hope it's still possible in 11.
- KGIII 9y ago
  Doesn't airplane mode disconnect the cellular radio?

MBCook 9y ago

I really don’t understand why people keep those two off. If you’re not using them they use very little battery at this point; it’s not like it was 10 years ago. Since Apple keeps detailed usage statistics (from the people who opt in) my guess is they know how common such a behavior is and it’s obviously low enough they don’t think this change is a problem. I agree with some of the other comments I’ve seen that this probably accomplishes what the user is trying to do (ignoring a Wi-Fi network that’s temporarily behaving poorly) and possibly protecting them (forgetting to turn it back on it running up a huge cell bill). I know I’ve heard complaints from people who accidentally did that a number of times.

kalleboo 9y ago
I keep it off because as I ride a train it's connecting to every station wifi and losing it just as quick, completely breaking connectivity.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- IBM 9y ago
  Turn off "ask to join" and it will only connect to known networks.
  - kalleboo 9y ago
    The station wifi is known though, so when I have a long wait for a train at a station I'm not burning data on YouTube
    - swinglock 9y ago
      You can set the known network not to connect automatically. But you can only access that setting when you are in range.
      - kalleboo 9y ago
        I didn't know about that setting, thanks for the tip. Will definitely come in handy.
ronnier 9y ago
I keep it off because of exploits posted in this article.

nickhalfasleep 9y ago

Faraday cage cases are going to be popular next season.

kevinchen 9y ago

This is a bad take. If your threat model has you concerned about people who follow you around and exploit your Wi-Fi firmware, you probably shouldn't ever have Wi-Fi on -- or maybe you shouldn't be using a smartphone. For everyone else, the new behavior allows users to disconnect from bad Wi-Fi in Control Center while improving their battery life in case they forget to turn Wi-Fi back on.

lathiat 9y ago

I can.. it makes those buttons much more useful for the common case. e.g. this wifi network isn't working, disconnect.. and not forget to reconnect later. I did that often. And also being hassled about location services not working, etc. You can still actually disable both through the settings up, just not with the quick access.

dpkonofa 9y ago

Is it really that difficult to use? C'mon... Just force touch it instead of regular touching and you get the same control as before.

0x0 9y ago
Lots of devices don't support force touch, for example all iPads, and iPhone 5s, 6 and 6plus.
eklavya 9y ago
Am I missing something? Force touch doesn't do anything except show a bigger control with all the radio settings. There is no option to disable wifi, you still have to go to the settings.