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I would be glad if this made Intel reconsider their stance on enforcing untrustable CPU features onto users. CPUs aren't cheap! Just give your customers full c
by m1el 9y ago
I would be glad if this made Intel reconsider their stance on enforcing untrustable CPU features onto users.
CPUs aren't cheap! Just give your customers full control over the product!
- api 9y ago"Just give your customers full control over the product!" Ownership is so 20th century.
- sounds 9y agoEverything that is old is new again. AT&T used to claim anyone who attached an unapproved telephone was a criminal: http://bpastudio.csudh.edu/fac/lpress/471/hout/telecomHistory/ http://bpastudio.csudh.edu/fac/lpress/471/hout/telecomHistor... "Freed" slaves in the US used to only get to rent land on which to live: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharecropping#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharecropping#United_States Being in control of your own destiny isn't actually that common, historically.
- phkahler 9y agoWe all rent the land on which we live. Try not paying your property taxes. In most states.
- nine_k 9y agoBut you can also can rent land on which to farm, to build a factory, or a skyscraper, without living on that land.
- narrator 9y ago...except for Nevada when for a few years they briefly allowed people to get allodial title.
- ekianjo 9y agothats almost a worldwide exception
- rxhernandez 9y agoI hear Mexico allows you to actually own land.
- ZenoArrow 9y agoI don't know if this counts or not, but in the UK there are the concepts of freehold and leasehold. Leasehold requires payment of rent on land (to a landlord), but freehold does not. I believe that technically all land is owned by the crown, but I don't think they tax based on land ownership.
- somebodynew 9y ago...that expired upon death and could not be passed to heirs.
- fujiters 9y agoStill pretty cool.
- squarefoot 9y agoto me this looks fair: land does not reproduce, but people do. Give people the right to own a non infinite resource forever and pretty soon you get to the point where 1% of them will own 99% of that resource, which is exactly what is happening now in many contexts.
- __david__ 9y agoIn CA they just put a lien on your house. And all that means is you can't sell without clearing the lien (by paying back). I didn't pay property taxes for 2 years once.
- ensignavenger 9y agoThat will happen in most states, but if you don't pay long enough they will usually come after you. It may take several years.
- int_19h 9y agoWith land, it at least makes sense, because there's a very limited supply of it. So one could reasonably argue that it's just too valuable for society to fully surrender all control of even a part of it on a permanent basis.
- ensignavenger 9y agoI read the linked wikipedia article, but there was nothing in it that I found to support your assertion the freed slaves were not allowed to own land?
- phkahler 9y agoThat was the most depressing comment I've ever seen here.
- TeMPOraL 9y agoAnd yet it is at the very core of most of the issues in our industry. The cloud. Shitty SaaS companies. DRM. Right to Repair. The War on General-Purpose Computing. Software freedom. All of that is about who is the owner of a computing device.
- phkahler 9y agoThat's exactly why it's so depressing. As the cost of living should be going down, everyone is trying to extract rents and take away the individuals freedom.
- Joking_Phantom 9y agoActually they are cheap - the reason why a significant amount of on chip resources can be assembled into the IME on all of Intel's chipsets is because IC process technology has advanced by many orders of magnitude. The Pentium 4 represented the edge of consumer grade CPUs 10 years ago, and it was around that time we reached practical limits on frequency. As hardware manufacturing shifted towards more cores and caches, SoC ICs became the standard. Slapping a cheap, low power system of CPU and memory on every chipset is easy, cheap and natural. With extra hardware being cheap and easy, Intel put 2 and 2 together and tried to monetize this by offering businesses extra capabilities as a standard. Obviously this introduces new attack vectors, and the opaque nature of this new "standard" feature attracts attention from all sides.
- digi_owl 9y agoIndeed. Moore's law is an observation on the transistor size on a die, how they halved in size every x months. This allows one to do either more complex chips (more features etc), cheaper chips (more chips pr die means a higher yeild of functioning chips) or faster chips (lower voltage, less heat, higher clock). But the clock increase have stopped, and Intel is loath to lower chip prices without some serious competition forcing them, so they keep coming up with new features to justify the price as they shrink the transistors.
- otakucode 9y agoYou don't hide features you implemented in order to sell your product to customers.
- fao_ 9y agoWhy not? It's worked so far >_>
- AceJohnny2 9y agoThey're "packaged" "solutions"!
- oliwarner 9y agoThat's Intel's whole chip business model. Make a high end part and selectively disable features to form cheaper SKUs. It's also part of the chip binning process, allowing you to sell near-100% of what you make. Nvidia and AMD do this too.
- milcron 9y ago"Just give your customers full control over the product!" Check out the Talos II, the first owner-controllable workstation in quite a while. https://raptorcs.com/ https://raptorcs.com/
- tomatoman 9y agoWhat do you mean by that?
- jakeogh 9y agohttps://raptorcs.com/content/TL2WK2/intro.html https://raptorcs.com/content/TL2WK2/intro.html
- gcb0 9y agonot even a price yet.
- selectodude 9y agoThere’s pricing when you click preorder. It’s like $6500.
- efficax 9y agoHasn’t this been in preorder for years?
- FooHentai 9y agoIt's almost as if there's some mysterious third factor at play, above and beyond giving your customers what they want, and above making a profit. What could it be? This mysterious additional factor.. What could make the US company with the biggest CPU market share in the world possibly want to put an omnipresent overlord control chip onboard every processor it ships? It's almost like there's some kind of outside force at play, but that's a crazy idea. There's No Simple Answer here, for sure. What indeed, such a mystery! It's a mystery, I tells ya!
- jwcacces 9y agoYou're not Intel's customer. Dell, Lenovo, Amazon et al. are. And they want management systems, because the large companies who buy from those guys also want management systems. This isn't some super conspiracy, (even if it's something the three letter organizations try to take advantage of it) this is pure business. Pwning a computer across the internet that your dumbass sales manager left on a train is a feature.
- KGIII 9y agoThe 'best' part about it is that they don't even have to leave it on a train. This is progress!
- wolco 9y agoYou are intel's customer when those retail stores try to sell a computer to yourself. They usually include the cpu details and can help a customer make a decision. That's why the intel inside campaign was so successful.
- userbinator 9y agoKeyword being "was". Unfortunately most PC (and Mac, to an even greater extent) buyers today probably barely know who makes the CPU in what they're buying.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
- minusSeven 9y agoAhahahahahahahaahahahhahaahh huhuhu -Intel probably
- dang 9y agoPlease don't do this here.