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Android = Google (No, aosp is unusable, and Google is working to make it more unusable). Google = no privacy Therefore, Android = no privacy Q.E.D
by ReverseCold 9y ago
Android = Google
(No, aosp is unusable, and Google is working to make it more unusable).
Google = no privacy
Therefore, Android = no privacy
Q.E.D
- lern_too_spel 9y agoWhat data does Google collect that Apple doesn't collect? The only difference I can see is that Google is competent at making the data it collects useful to the user and barely usable to advertisers. Your comment looks like trolling. We were discussing a feature to prevent others from backing up your device.
- adventured 9y agoIn the first part, you're setting up a premise that nobody here can or will answer publicly even if they have the knowledge of the exact information collected by either company. That gives you a free run at the second part without anything supporting it.
- lern_too_spel 9y agoThe information they collect is in their OSes' respective privacy policies. I've looked at them. They are pretty much exactly the same.
- LeoNatan25 9y agoYou must have looked at the privacy policies but not read them.
- lern_too_spel 9y agoYou and GGP are the ones making ridiculous claims without evidence (that the data the OSes collect are unknowable instead of outlined in a privacy policy and that Android collects more data than iOS out of the box).
- ricardobeat 9y agoTo answer your first question: a lot. Apple makes all your data locally encrypted by default, in Messages, Siri, iCloud, Maps, etc - they don't have the key to access it. See more at https://www.apple.com/lae/privacy/approach-to-privacy/ https://www.apple.com/lae/privacy/approach-to-privacy/
- lern_too_spel 9y agoAll of a user's device data is encrypted by default on Android as well. In this respect, they are no different.
- ricardobeat 9y agoThe difference is that Google owns the keys that encrypt your files. Services like GDrive, GMail, Google Photos, Assistant, all depend on processing your data in the cloud. Apple does all of that locally (because they can't access any of it otherwise), trading some scalability and sophistication for privacy.
- lern_too_spel 9y agoWe were discussing data stored on the device. Just like Apple, Google does not have the keys to decrypt the data on the device. And just like Google, Apple has the keys to decrypt the data in their equivalents to the GDrive, Gmail, and Google Photos cloud services for web access. The only difference is that Apple's services are significantly less useful.
- eridius 9y ago> What data does Google collect that Apple doesn't collect? I don't know what Google collects, but the simple answer to this is "virtually everything". Apple collects very little data from their users and does everything they possibly can on-device (and the stuff that requires the cloud is either encrypted or heavily anonymized). Nearly all data that Google collects, Apple doesn't.
- vacri 9y agoOn the other hand, Android services everyone, whereas Apple tells the developing world to fuck off. Apple's privacy is only for the social elite who can afford their expensive toys, and they're not interested in providing service on a global scale. Let's not get too hippy-feelgood about Apple's intentions regarding its users here.
- komali2 9y agoWell hold on dude, are you arguing that it's not Apple's right to charge money for quality / service?
- roblabla 9y agoI am not a diehard android, but i'm replying to you from a LineageOS phone without the Gapps, using microg as an alternative to the google services, and firefox as a browser. Privacy is achievable on Android. However, I do agree it os very involved.
- lern_too_spel 9y agoThe services provided by Gapps that send data to Google (push messaging, aGPS, crash reporting, app installs, safe browsing, etc.) also exist on iOS with exactly the same privacy policies. The only difference is that you can remove or disable them on Android devices if you are paranoid, while no such remedy exists on iPhones. By your standards, privacy is achievable with difficulty on Android and not at all on iOS.
- phs318u 9y agoThere is another, more fundamental difference. With Apple, you are the customer. With Google, you are the product.
- lern_too_spel 9y agoYet this "fundamental difference" does not change the fact that both companies' devices provide exactly the same amount of privacy out of the box, while only the Google device is truly yours to put whatever software you want on it, down to the OS.
- phs318u 9y agoI trust the vendor whose primary revenue stream comes from me, rather than the one whose primary revenue stream is me (or my private data). I trust Google to abide by their T&C's about as much as I trust the NSA to abide by the laws governing the extent of their actions. Which is to say, precisely none. You can argue until you're blue in the face but Apple have little to no incentive to exploit my private data while Google have every incentive to do so.
- boznz 9y agoIOS = Closed Source, Therefore only their word there is no backdoor
- nemothekid 9y agoSo is every other phone on the market.
- paulddraper 9y agoNo. There are open source Android phones. There are no open source ios phones
- abritinthebay 9y agoYeah? The baseband and chip ROMs are open source? Really?
- LeoNatan25 9y agoOr the proprietary kernel patches and binary blob drivers?
- paulddraper 9y agoIf your point is that there are partially closed source Android distros, I agree with you.
- abritinthebay 9y agomore that there are no open source Android phones. Just "partially open source" Android phones.
- kasey_junk 9y agoThis ignores essentially all reverse engineering techniques that are required to find actual backdoors & is not something security professionals largely believe.