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Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world
- reilly3000 9y agoCan't wait to see how these words sound in 20 years
- ericzawo 9y agoHe's not wrong.
- pzone 9y agoWhat makes you so confident in that assertion?
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- 0xbear 9y agoDude is 64 years old, and was never seen using a computer. Give him a break on this one, he's likely just parroting Medvedev, who in turn is parroting one of his distant underlings.
- anigbrowl 9y agoHe doesn't need to be a computer expert to recognize a force multiplier when he sees one.
- 0xbear 9y agoI doubt very much that he understands, even in the most basic terms, what any of this is about. Nor does he really care about any of it. Source: am a Russian-American, with a pretty good understanding of what's going on over there.
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- adventured 9y agoIt's a very fair point. Question however: is there a leader on the planet that has a greater, almost intuitive sense about threats to their position of power than Putin? Who would that be? Authoritarian survivors like him tend to have an extremely well tuned grasp of threats to their power. Whether those are technology based or people, and whether they are domestic or foreign based. The small group of people running the CCP are similarly competent at spotting such threats, regardless of their understanding of technology. Most of the politicians that have supported the great firewall over the years, very likely had a limited understanding of the technology involved. They didn't need to understand the technology at an intimate level, they understood some of what it could enable, they understood the potential threat to their power. These people develop an almost sixth sense about it, they spend their entire lives cultivating that awareness as a means of survival and promotion.
- 0xbear 9y agoNone of this is a threat to his survival, or indeed to Russia's survival. When you have nukes and the means to deliver them anywhere on the globe in 9 minutes, you don't have to care about aggression from other countries. The biggest (and only) threat to Putin's survival is a coup.
- adventured 9y agoPutin's only interest isn't just his survival though. He's a hyper nationalist Russian. There's no question he views the two as connected: in his mind what's good for Russia is good for him, what's good for him is good for Russia; that's typical of authoritarian types. That doesn't change that he's pretty big about the premise of the return of the Russian Empire in one form or another. AI as a military technology can threaten Russia. It can cripple their economy. It can cripple their military technology (depending). Over decades it will likely lead to faster advances in both the economic and military spheres (including nuclear weapons and missile defenses), which would net weaken Russia. The winner accelerates, which is exactly what happened to the US vs the USSR when it came to the massive tech economy the US built out post WW2 (now our economy is ~16x the size of Russia's).
- justicezyx 9y agoI am not sure how much you realized you are under some illusion of how people view AI... People are not dumb. There is an instinct to fear things that matching you in any aspects or overpowering you. That's true existence threat...
- 0xbear 9y ago>> People are not dumb Citation needed
- justicezyx 9y agoWe already see many people, from all nations, with diverse backgrounds, point out the importance of AI.
- staunch 9y agoYou think Putin parrots Medvedev? I think you're got it backwards. But either way, it's more likely he's "parroting" secret U.S. military plans that his spies obtained for him. This is almost certainly what our military is planning and he almost certainly knows it.
- 0xbear 9y agoWhen it comes to tech, totally. They are personally close and Medvedev is a known technophile and Apple fanboy. This is probably something they talked about over tea at Putin's government dacha a few days before.
- staunch 9y agoI'm sure he chats with Medvedev about his iPhone. This isn't "tech" so much as the very highest level of military strategy. Putin has spent his entire life keeping tabs on the U.S. military's plans and actions. He knows definitely what the U.S. military is working on When he raises the issue publicly, he's executing a strategy against that effort.
- aleyan 9y ago> Dude is 64 years old, and was never seen using a computer. Putin became acting president of Russian Federation on New Years Eve 1999. In months since, the only thing he brought into Yeltsin's former office was a computer[1]. He may not be a digital native, but to underestimate him is a mistake. [1] https://youtu.be/EjU8Fg3NFmo?t=3m10s https://youtu.be/EjU8Fg3NFmo?t=3m10s
- chi17 9y ago> Putin: Leader in artificial intelligence will rule world Correction: remove "Leader in" from the title.
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- cmelbye 9y agoThis is especially true when combined with mass surveillance, domestically and abroad. Huge trove of data that is likely already being mined with machine learning and other techniques.
- corporateslave2 9y agoYeah if you think about all the unstructured phone conversations tagged with people who are terrorists, and then jammed into a neural net, things get powerful. But taking that a step further, you can identify political dissent, etc
- bhollan 9y agoDon't get me wrong, I fully subscribe to the school of thought that he's a murderer, but honestly, drones fighting drones sounds pretty good.
- Iv 9y agoIt terms of life saved, I totally agree. In terms of social progress, this causes a big problem: military power, until now, depended in big parts on having military people on your side. So sure, they can be corrupt, swayed by a more or less evil ideology or just plain racist, but in order to be a leader, you needed to at least satisfy a big group of people. And it was easier if it were the majority. Automated warfare makes war and military power purely capital-based. That just seem wrong. And also, do you really think that drones will be solely used on other peoples' drones?
- staunch 9y agoThis already happened in the 2003 Iraq invasion. It was wildly unpopular, so Cheney & Gang crafted a bullshit strategy around using very few troops and a lot more technology. It never made sense. They just wanted a war and knew they had to placate members of the military and people concerned about a Vietnam-style draft. The next time their strategy might actually succeed. Once the U.S. military has a drone army capable of patrolling every street in Iraq 24/7/365. > In a January 2003 CBS poll, 64% of Americans had approved of military action against Iraq; however, 63% wanted Bush to find a diplomatic solution rather than go to war, and 62% believed the threat of terrorism directed against the U.S. would increase due to war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq
- adventured 9y agoIt's interesting the extent to which Americans didn't support going into Iraq and knocking over Saddam during the first Gulf War. The widely supported essentially what Bush did, in pushing their forces out of Kuwait and semi-crippling Iraq's military capabilities (no fly zones, sanctions, etc). The American people had to be terrified into Iraq part 2. They had to be lied to constantly, abused with terrorism color codes on a weekly basis, constantly told their lives were in danger at the airport, lied to about the threat from WMDs, and the warhawks had to use 9/11 on a constant basis as a rallying cry to drive blind patriotism and to auto-silence anyone that would stand against it. The authorities had to put on one helluva an aggressive propaganda effort to convince Americans to allow it. Contrast that with the non-existent support for a large military action in Syria (invasion or otherwise), which Obama's Administration floated and quickly pulled away from. The American people are very war sick at this point, fortunately.
- nopinsight 9y agoIn another piece of news: China to add AI courses in primary education https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15154289 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15154289 Where does the US stand? Any serious plans by its leaders and the government?
- sillysaurus3 9y agoOh goodness, please do not make courses mandatory. China adding AI courses to their primary education means their students will hate it.
- nickrio 9y agoI'm a Chinese. I wounder how China would carry it out. From my experience with my elementary && high school teacher, I can safely assume that they can't even program a complex stuff, let alone understand what AI is. It could be really interesting to see my future son/daughter ask me something I'm also interested in and probably working on.
- nopinsight 9y agoI suspect they will use AI to help teach AI: "Seven-year-old Chen Jiahao has a problem sum he can’t solve and he can’t wait to get home from school to pose the question to his all-knowing maths tutor. His tutor is amazing, the boy says. Just snap a photograph of the question and the tutor will provide every possible approach to solve the problem, step by step – all in a split second. Jiahao’s tutor is inside his mother’s smartphone. It is, in fact, an app that draws on artificial intelligence (AI) technology to solve challenging maths problems for primary school children. And it’s just one of many AI-enabled apps Jiahao uses daily on his mother’s phone. When the boy started primary school in Beijing, his teachers recommended that his parents install the apps on their phones. The software give out school assignments, grade pupils’ work and even generate unique sets of exercises for each child based on their areas of weakness. “Jiahao likes his AI teachers,” said his mother, Yu Ting, adding that her son spends at least two hours on the AI apps every day. “He greets my phone as eagerly as he greets me.”" Inside the AI revolution that’s reshaping Chinese society http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2100427/chinas-ai-revolution-and-how-its-rivalling-us http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2100427/china... Interestingly, it seems Jiahao is not allowed to bring a smartphone to school for now. That could change in the future.
- aub3bhat 9y agoArtificial intelligence == ML/CV/NLP (not the AGI) will transform the world over the next two decades. People vastly underestimate importance of recent advances in detection/recognition/NLU tasks. Sure it sounds boring by some sci-fi standards but when it comes to warfare ability to deploy cheap drones that can do near real time enemy identification will transform not just the battelfield but the entire society. Look at the current heated debate on Police stops leading to shooting. In less than a decade we will have autonomous cop car capable of disabling vehicles and firing tasers. The world will be completely transformed just with todays state of the art tech. All it currently lacks are "platforms" for deployments.
- johnchristopher 9y agoI might believe in the advent of AI once my phone alarm disables itself instead of ringing when I have been travelling at 75miles per hour for 30 minutes, obviously awake and going to work.
- nopinsight 9y agoIt takes time for a new technology to penetrate to many detailed aspects of our lives. This is particularly true for 'horizontal' technologies like electricity and AI.
- aub3bhat 9y agoUnless you are traveling in subway/Uber/Car-pool/commuter-rail and catching a quick nap. What does this have to do with AI. In fact having an alarm that randomly gets disbabled is Stupid design.
- johnchristopher 9y agoWhy would an AI randomly disable the alarm ? Indeed that would be a stupid AI.
- billly 9y agoWhat is going on here
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- erikb 9y agoEverybody knows it, everybody talks about it, Google is the only one who really does it for now (afaik).
- mercurialshark 9y agoYet the actual purpose of this statement is lost on most. Using popular concepts to plausibly question the sustainable dominance of others in the geopolitical power-game. It really doesn't matter if this statement proves accurate or not in the future. "Artificial intelligence" is an interchangeable subject for the purposes of that statement. It's Psy Ops 101. A non-falsifiable piece of propaganda, used to undermine and chip-away at assumptions, which is particularly useful for sowing doubt in perceived institutional strength and their ability to sustain success when new variables are introduced. In short, swap "AI" for any emerging subject matter or previously unaddressed and now relevant issue and you can make the same statement, in perpetuity, as ammunition against your opponents.
- Grue3 9y agoAnd that definitely won't be him, what with causing massive brain drain with his retrograde policies.
- 0xBA5ED 9y agoAnd he thinks it's going to be China. (probably)
- dogma1138 9y agoWhy is this flagged? If this was Musk or Page instead of Putin it would've been on the front page with 1000 comments. You can dislike Putin because of his actions but you cannot deem his opinion irrelevant.
- lostmsu 9y ago> you cannot deem his opinion irrelevant Why not? Its not like he's an expert on that matter.
- dogma1138 9y agoBecause he sets the course for a nation, one with the will to ascend back to its former place. The opinions of experts are often irrelevant unless they have the agency to act. Based on your categorization Musk and Page's opinions aren't relevant in this manner either, neither of them is what one would classify an expert in AI, but like Putin thier opinion matters because the agency they wield.
- lostmsu 9y ago> Based on your categorization Musk and Page's opinions aren't relevant in this manner either, neither of them is what one would classify an expert in AI Bingo!
- kmeaw 9y agoI have found the source video. Here is a link to the relevant part: https://youtu.be/iXXHVZIkw9Y?t=3296 https://youtu.be/iXXHVZIkw9Y?t=3296 He is actually talking not about AI in general, but about self-driving technologies and drones.