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Ah, but you are paying for the items you listed. Presumably the core of your cover is hidden in your taxes?

by shubb 9y ago

tekromancr 9y ago
Presumably the single government-run insurance system is in a much stronger negotiation position with the healthcare providers, forcing healthcare providers to operate more efficiently.
- pfisch 9y ago
  So we are about to have net neutrality repealed over the objection of everyone except ISPs basically. Medicare isn't even allowed to negotiate drug prices, but our govt run single payer system will definitely be immune from regulatory capture. Right? Why would you presume these things that are almost certainly false for the US.
BartSaM 9y ago
Yes. It is $50. Private insurance company. One of the largest in the world.
NicoJuicy 9y ago
We pay much taxes, but then again. Everyone does here. If you get sick. A doctor can cost 5€ for a visit, we go to the dentist because we can easily. Our medicine is 10x as cheap easily and if we lose our jobs, we still have a home. But yeah, if we earn a lot. We pay a lot. No reason to be sarcastic about it. I've always had a job and I'm never ill and I hope it never happens. The system works though, even if we have the largest taxes in the world ( Belgium)
nedwin 9y ago
Note: on a per capita basis countries that don't have universal health care (like the US) spend more on health insurance than countries that do (like Australia)
Retric 9y ago
There are massive tax savings in single payer systems due to vastly simplified billing. To the point where US government spends enough on healthcare to fully pay for a single payer system. Thus, Americans also pay enough for a single payer system they just don't actually get it.
- jquery 9y ago
  Magical thinking right here. The savings by merely switching to simplified billing are miniscule. It's also a bit magical to think that switching to single payer in the USA would result in savings. There is no reason to believe that costs would go down without massive price controls (and thus, shortages/rationing). EDIT: I'd love anyone down-voting this comment to demonstrate how switching to single-payer in the USA would result in savings without shortages, rationing, or lower quality care. Maybe switching is the right thing to do, but it's best to be honest about the costs.
  - xenihn 9y ago
    > It's also a bit magical to think that switching to single payer in the USA would result in savings >There is no reason to believe that costs would go down without massive price controls (and thus, shortages/rationing) He didn't say either of those things. We can't just switch. It's not a realistic option. He's pointing something out, not saying "hey we should switch now and x would happen".
    - jquery 9y ago
      I didn't say he said them. He strongly implied them. You're being uncharitable with this reply.
  - fleitz 9y ago
    Exactly. Just repeat 'free healthcare', never mind that many people in Canada can't even find a family Dr, let alone get things like MRIs. Michael Moore said we have wonderful healthcare just like Cuba, so it must be true. Oh it appears that now ERs are shutting down, but hey, free healthcare. Did I mention that you won't get a bill for dying on a waiting list if you use free healthcare in Canada? It's amazing and you can pay for it easily. Don't even have to leave your house to get free treatments. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/doctor-shortage-puts-pressure-on-small-town-ers-1.4249835 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/doctor-shorta...

Ah, but you are paying for the items you listed. Presumably the core of your cover is hidden in your taxes?

by shubb 9y ago

Ah, but you are paying for the items you listed. Presumably the core of your cover is hidden in your taxes?

Presumably the single government-run insurance system is in a much stronger negotiation position with the healthcare providers, forcing healthcare providers to operate more efficiently.

pfisch 9y ago
So we are about to have net neutrality repealed over the objection of everyone except ISPs basically. Medicare isn't even allowed to negotiate drug prices, but our govt run single payer system will definitely be immune from regulatory capture. Right? Why would you presume these things that are almost certainly false for the US.

BartSaM 9y ago

Yes. It is $50. Private insurance company. One of the largest in the world.

NicoJuicy 9y ago

We pay much taxes, but then again. Everyone does here. If you get sick. A doctor can cost 5€ for a visit, we go to the dentist because we can easily. Our medicine is 10x as cheap easily and if we lose our jobs, we still have a home. But yeah, if we earn a lot. We pay a lot. No reason to be sarcastic about it. I've always had a job and I'm never ill and I hope it never happens. The system works though, even if we have the largest taxes in the world ( Belgium)

nedwin 9y ago

Note: on a per capita basis countries that don't have universal health care (like the US) spend more on health insurance than countries that do (like Australia)

Retric 9y ago

There are massive tax savings in single payer systems due to vastly simplified billing. To the point where US government spends enough on healthcare to fully pay for a single payer system. Thus, Americans also pay enough for a single payer system they just don't actually get it.

jquery 9y ago
Magical thinking right here. The savings by merely switching to simplified billing are miniscule. It's also a bit magical to think that switching to single payer in the USA would result in savings. There is no reason to believe that costs would go down without massive price controls (and thus, shortages/rationing). EDIT: I'd love anyone down-voting this comment to demonstrate how switching to single-payer in the USA would result in savings without shortages, rationing, or lower quality care. Maybe switching is the right thing to do, but it's best to be honest about the costs.
- xenihn 9y ago
  > It's also a bit magical to think that switching to single payer in the USA would result in savings >There is no reason to believe that costs would go down without massive price controls (and thus, shortages/rationing) He didn't say either of those things. We can't just switch. It's not a realistic option. He's pointing something out, not saying "hey we should switch now and x would happen".
  - jquery 9y ago
    I didn't say he said them. He strongly implied them. You're being uncharitable with this reply.
- fleitz 9y ago
  Exactly. Just repeat 'free healthcare', never mind that many people in Canada can't even find a family Dr, let alone get things like MRIs. Michael Moore said we have wonderful healthcare just like Cuba, so it must be true. Oh it appears that now ERs are shutting down, but hey, free healthcare. Did I mention that you won't get a bill for dying on a waiting list if you use free healthcare in Canada? It's amazing and you can pay for it easily. Don't even have to leave your house to get free treatments. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/doctor-shortage-puts-pressure-on-small-town-ers-1.4249835 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/doctor-shorta...