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Mastodon is big in Japan, and the reason why is uncomfortable
- amelius 9y agoSounds similar to the story of BetaMax versus VHS. Edit: sorry for the brevity, pfooti below explains it well.
- emodendroket 9y agoIn what way does it sound similar?
- pfooti 9y agoThe story goes: BetaMax didn't want pornography on their platform, but VHS allowed it. The porn industry went to VHS and this fact is widely credited with being the reason why VHS won the format war. However, this story probably isn't true. https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/3089/vhs-vs-betamax-how-influential-was-the-pornography-industry-in-the-format-war https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/3089/vhs-vs-bet... Hard to say.
- rangibaby 9y agoI have lived in Japan since I was quite young (late 20s now) and don't see what the problem with lolicon is. It's not my thing, but if someone enjoys it that's their business, they aren't hurting anyone. That's just my gut feeling on the matter, I'm interested in hearing others' thoughts.
- cyphar 9y agoI'm from Australia. I personally don't find it morally objectionable (because it's not hurting anyone) though I would consider it to be a grey area. I believe that lolicon is illegal here (or at the very least not explicitly legal), because it's effectively a depiction of child pornography. That's the reason most people find it objectionable, effectively due to the (entirely justified) taboo around underage sexuality and the worry it will lead more real child pornography.
- ue_ 9y agoIt is very much illegal, as is stories depicting it. Here's an Australian supreme court of the Northern Territory case describing such a ruling: http://www.supremecourt.nt.gov.au/documents/judgements/2014/NTSC53.pdf http://www.supremecourt.nt.gov.au/documents/judgements/2014/... It is also illegal in Canada (similarly with stories), some US states, some European countries, and England, Wales and Northern Ireland (though only drawings rather than stories as far as I know). I think such laws are hideous.
- cyphar 9y agoYeah, now I remember reading the news about that case a few years ago. I think that decision is understandable, though I don't agree with classifying something that is obviously not child pornography as "child pornography". Also note that in Australia "supreme court" does not mean that its rulings determine federal common law, that rests with the High Court of Australia (the next court up)[1]. So on paper, other States could have different laws on the topic (but I haven't checked whether the case was appealed to the High Court). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary_of_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary_of_Australia
- etplayer 9y agoThank you for your information on the system, I had no idea, I'm only vaguely familiar with the system in England and Wales. It's worth noting, however, that the fact it is illegal is specified in the state code rather than being decided by this court case. There is a similar case which I think is rather silly that a man in Australia was convicted of having 'Simpsons porn' which featured two underage characters from the Simpsons.
- cyphar 9y ago> It's worth noting, however, that the fact it is illegal is specified in the state code rather than being decided by this court case. Ah, you're right (I didn't read the whole document). In case you're interested, in other states there is a different criminal code (called the Crimes Act (1990) in NSW)[1]. The section on "child abuse material" (15A) is quite vague on what limits there are for something being "material depicting child abuse" and there is also a catch-all statement saying that something is also considered child abuse material based on " the standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults". In general I would be surprised if it was legal in any state. I also checked, and it's considered "objectionable material" in New Zeland[2]. [1]: https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/a0a6239c-5e99-6ad0-fe6a-9d1efad30e4f/1900-40.pdf https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/inforce/a0a6239c-5e99-6ad... [2]: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0094/latest/whole.html#DLM313407 http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0094/latest/w...
- kristofferR 9y agoYeah, I couldn't find anything during a quick search that indicates that Japan has a higher rate of child sexual abuse than countries where ethical/drawn child pornograpy is banned.
- cyphar 9y agoI would be interested to know if the reason why (to put it bluntly) porn in Japan is so extreme is due to their cultural repression of sexuality. The reason I ask is that many Asian countries have similar social stigmas around sexuality, and they also have similarly extreme forms of porn. Not to mention the existence of hentai, yuri, and ecchi. All of which don't really have widespread western equivalents, despite western cartoons being fairly popular.
- rangibaby 9y agoHow is sexuality repressed in Japan? Hentai etc are descendants of shunga pics; you've probably seen Hokusai's "The Great Wave Off Kanagawa". You may have seen "The Dream of The Fishermans Wife" (NSFW)
- krrrh 9y agoGP was saying that sexuality as in actual sex is repressed, and speculating that pornography was widespread as a result.
- agumonkey 9y agoIn social interactions maybe ? Japan seemed to be a very repressive/elitist society. You had to be polite in everything, and sexuality is often the opposite of that (you could probably have sex through polite chat beforehand, but I'm sure it requires maturity that most people don't have)
- thevardanian 9y agoJust because people have a different view of sexuality, and confine it to a specific time and place, doesn't mean that it's a repressive society. You have to realize that most Asian cultures are heavily focused on context, and place, and not just the pure, isolated act.
- moogleii 9y agoI admittedly find it bizarre, to say the least. But the opinions and discourse here are definitely challenging my intolerance. I also haven't lived in Japan, so I can only repeat an observation I read from someone who had, which was that the consumption of this type of media or cartoon rape-porn seemed to be fairly acceptable to do in public (openly reading such content in a crowded subway for instance was not uncommon). Which could reasonably make people feel uncomfortable or belittled, especially if you're in the same class of fictionally victimized people. On the other hand, I suppose people in the States are free to walk around wearing swastikas. So, I guess the takeaway is that, in either scenario, you're just an asshole legally exercising your rights?
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- rangibaby 9y agoMaking a scene in public is considered to be immature here, so most of the time people ignore "deviant" behavior on the subway. Making someone (especially the kind of person who watches porn on a train) lose face by shaming then is likely to make that person very, very angry.
- userbinator 9y agoIt seems the distinction between real child porn and lolicon that Japan has made, could be summarised as "thoughtcrime is not crime".
- convery 9y agoI feel that we, as a society, should try to apply this idea in a lot of areas..
- agumonkey 9y agoThat's one factor, the other is the culture around youth appeal through drawings. Mangas were filled with teenage erotism. So lolicon is not a huge stretch from there.
- snakeanus 9y agoIsn't viewing child porn also a thoughtcrime? Obviously this would apply only to viewing it and not creating it. If I am not mistaken Japan illegalised viewing CP in ~2009 but distributing it was illegal beforehand.
- wongarsu 9y agoChild sexual abuse is bad because it's traumatizing children (also sexual abuse is bad, duh). But "curing" pedophiles seems to be hard, similarly to how you can't "cure" homosexuals. Child porn would supposedly be a safe outlet for pedophiles, at the cost of possibly eroding social taboos around child sexual abuse. But the tradeoff is irrelevant, because the production of child porn is usually exploiting and abusing children, making it morally bad. Lolicon doesn't harm any children. The only potential harm left is eroding helpful social taboos. But that seems easy enough to fix: make lolicon legal, but semi-taboo. If it's not seen as normal, it doesn't normalize anything, and you have all the positives without the negatives. So I will view you as weird if you enjoy lolicon, but I don't have a problem with it. I would even advocate for its existence. Somewhat related, I also can't really justify the US standard for child porn. Nude pictures of 10 year olds are bad and should be illegal. But what is the harm in nudes of 17 year olds?
- nsaslideface 9y agoChildren and young people getting a hold of lolicon comics, where pedophilia is normalized through the story, can harm them for life. No one seems to have the imagination to think about this. Adults looking at it is of course harmless, but don't make it easily available on the internet. If you do I'd say you're acting immorally and I support legal repercussions. I know people who have been messed up when they were very young and found it.
- kijin 9y agoOne might argue that the reason people get messed up if they are exposed to certain types of content at a young age is not because of the nature of the content itself, but because of other people's response (or lack thereof) to it. When everyone else is either judging you or trying too hard to pretend that nothing happened, you internalize a sort of guilt or shame that can haunt you for life. People who have seen terrible shit in their childhood but turned out okay, on the other hand, often report that they had someone to help them understand what was happening without rushing to a judgment.
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- reustle 9y agoI was expecting to read about the heavy metal band, Mastodon.
- gaius 9y agoLikewise Remember Mastodon? In April 2017, there was a wave of excitement about Mastodon, a federated social network Never heard of it. Have heard of Diaspora and gab.ai tho'.
- cyphar 9y agoIt's effectively a GNU Social implementation, that has a much nicer TweetDeck-like interface[1]. It got quite popular in the security community in April (though I don't see as many people there as I used to), and some of the main servers got DDoS'd purely through organic growth. [1]: https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon
- dredmorbius 9y agoAmong the inspirations for the software project's name: https://github.com/tootsuite/documentation/blob/master/Using-Mastodon/FAQ.md https://github.com/tootsuite/documentation/blob/master/Using...
- coldtea 9y ago"Uncomfortable" as in "offends my American puritan-inspired sensibilities". "Pardon him, Theodotus: he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature". George Bernard Shaw, "Ceasar and Cleopatra". (Slightly off topic: Feynman had a nice story in one of his books about how the main in a Japanese guesthouse he stayed walked in while he was naked and having a bath. She didn't flinch and just went on about her business like nothing had happened, and he was thinking what a fuss/embarrassment etc that would have caused if it happened in a hotel in the US -- when it's just an adult being naked with another adult present. It's not like everybody hasn't seen genitals before or it's a big deal.)
- emodendroket 9y agoSurely there is some foreign cultural practice you find offensive. I am not up in arms about this, but I find it pretty easy to condemn suttee, for instance.
- avaer 9y agoThere are some universals, but fewer than you'd think. Virtually every culture condemns killing people for your benefit, death cults, and molestation. But there are cultures where bombing is partiotic, killing yourself to avoid shame is accepted as a part of the social order, and thinking about molestation is whatever.
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- gaius 9y agoTor and Cloudfront spring to mind.
- krapp 9y agoI mean, you could apply that same rationale to anyone, particularly anyone Japanese, who finds lolicon acceptable, since both points of view are culturally subjective, but then the swipe against American prudishness would just seem petty and arbitrary.
- emodendroket 9y agoLolicon can also refer to live action stuff where the model is of age but looks younger. Also, the rules on this stuff in the US are quite murky and vary by state, rather than being simply illegal across the board as this article wants to suggest.
- bryanlarsen 9y agoPorn is too ubiquitous and accepted on the common web to really drive technologies the way it used to. For example, bittorrent started with porn, but that's not what drove its growth or made it successful. If the credit card companies didn't allow porn transactions on their networks, bitcoin would probably be much larger today. Tor is a similar story, I assume.
- coldtea 9y agoWell, one can knock suttee all they like, but its wonderful for reducing pension costs for the state. Joking aside, this tradition, unlike the one described, involves actual gore, and burning alive of people at that. The other is looking at pictures, mostly drawn.
- _red 9y agoSo pictures of KKK members killing little black girls would be fine as long as the images were "drawn"? You seem generally confused about the points you are trying to make.
- emodendroket 9y agoI don't know if that is really morally objectionable either.
- ue_ 9y ago> So pictures of KKK members killing little black girls would be fine as long as the images were "drawn"? Much worse things are displayed in comics and described in books. What's confusing here? It's fiction, and there's no reason I can see, except in the light of very special evidence that such drawings have an effect on the incidence of such events taking place (which is similar to when people say that violent video games cause children to become murderers later in life), to make it illegal. Unless you have evidence or an argument, that is. It seems to contradict the notion of liberal democracy to engage in such censorship of artwork and fiction.
- JRITSRob 9y ago> So pictures of KKK members killing little black girls would be fine as long as the images were "drawn"? Depends on the context doesn't it? You'd see things like that in a political comic strip and you'd recognise it as condemning those actions. You might see it in a White Supremacist's distribution and see it as endorsing or encouraging the actions depicted. The use of comics & visual art to convey disgusting happenings in a publication-wide context has been used for a long time in Western media. The act of drawing the image, the act of publishing the image, I can personally find neither morally reprehensible without taking the wider context into consideration. I'm also a fairly strong supporter of allowing media I find distasteful to be distributed (I caveat this with as long as the production of the media isn't hurting anyone). Largely because censoring everything doesn't achieve a great deal, just hides those ideas from people who in all liklihood weren't the intended audience. Having folk bring their more 'underground' affiliations into the sunlight sure helps know who to avoid. I've seen it many times where I'll be vetting a new employee or supplier, see their Facebook profile, and be genuinely appalled by the stuff they're sharing and supporting. Do I think that free mode of 'speech' should be shut down? Pfft, no, gave me a glowing indicator not to deal with this person without having to go through the trouble of dealing with them first and realizing it to be a mistake.
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- SCdF 9y agoThe big surprise to me is that Deviant Art is supposed to be about photography!?
- the8472 9y agodA is mentioned as comparison to pixiv. Pixiv is not "about pornography", but it allows 18+ content and so does dA. Edit: I totally misread "photography" as "pornography" here. To address the actual question: There are photography and crafts sections on dA and you will find far less of that on pixiv. But I would not describe the whole site "being about" that.
- Laforet 9y agoI'm perplexed as to how the author managed to find the Pixiv sign-up page offensive - if he hadn't mentioned it I would never have made the connection myself.
- the8472 9y agoHere's the uncropped image. I don't think it qualifies as lolicon, it certainly is not tagged as such. https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=43409888 https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_i...
- Laforet 9y agoThanks, as I though it is quite tame by any standard. Perhaps when one goes out to find ghosts then one will see ghosts everywhere.
- btym 9y agoI wonder if the author requested permission from the artist to use that image in his article. I certainly wouldn't want my (SFW|harmless|tasteful) art used in such a context.
- SCdF 9y agoMaybe I wasn't clear, I was referring to this quote: > it [Pixiv] might be analogous to DeviantArt in the US, but focused on drawings, not photography. Which to me implies the author things DeviantArt is focused on photography. I haven't checked out DA in years, but last time I checked it had nothing to do with photography, at least not the artists I looked at.
- SCdF 9y agoOn the topic of Mastodon, I wonder if the reason it hasn't caught on so much (outside of this use case) is precisely because it's federated. When a new social network comes along, I often sign up ASAP just to try to grab SCdF, because I'm a human and vane. I will usually give it a bit of a crack once I've done that, but the need to squat my username is a big (and I realise, stupid) driver for me. I've known about Mastodon for awhile now, but I don't feel any pressure to sign up and check it out because there is no danger of someone else taking my username. Worst case I could just host my own instance against my domain.
- dredmorbius 9y agoSocial media have a tremendous number of factors contributing to success or failure. It's hard to pin it to single factors. Technology is almost never the initial driver, though it's also quite frequently a determining factor at scale. The most critical key factor is probably in achieving a coherent and compelling founding cohort. Both Usenet and Facebook effectively started at selective-admissions academic institutions -- Usenet at UNC and Duke, then spreading through the early Arpanet. Facebook, of course, at Harvard. Usenet failed for numerous reasons, including superior alternatives (largely blogs and mailing lists), but also because for various reasons (cultural and technical), hostng Usenet feeds was both not profitable and an increasing liability. Spam, warez, pr0n, and various other activities created risks, and there was no real option for advertising or other means of revenue generation. (Universities hosted Usenet as long as they did in part because it addressed an institutional need: communications and collaboration across distances. There was no effective alternative at the time.) Facebook has managed to do what Usenet couldn't, which is to survive, so far, the Eternal September. At 2.2 billion users, it's the largest single integrated social networking system ever. Something I note with appreciation despite pretty much despising the company and what it's doing. As to Mastodon: I'm on it, I'm asctive. It's faded a bit since April as initial interest is giving way, but it remains active. And GNU Social of course rocks on (and rags on the New Upstart to Get Off Its Lawn....)
- SCdF 9y ago> Technology is almost never the initial driver In this instance it's not technology exactly, it's more that the design of the social network means I don't have to feed my narcissism by signing up straight away. I in no way think that this is everyone's reason, I just thought it was an interesting perspective to share.
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- Eridrus 9y agoMost people are on Twitter because of network effects. Twitter made this a non-issue for lollicon users by banning them, but it's also interesting to note that it sprang up due to support from an existing website. Most people (myself included) who are dissatisfied with aspects of Twitter are not motivated enough to try to fix them.
- fundabulousrIII 9y agoThought they were talking about the band and the decibel level.
- nihonde 9y agoSaying something with a few hundred thousand users is "big in Japan" is a stretch, at best. There are 130MM+ people in Japan. I mean, I have an iOS app that has about that many MAU, and I consider it to be basically a failure.
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- whipoodle 9y agoChild porn and Nazi stuff have long been really bright lines in user content. Recent events have revealed more acceptance of Nazis and adjacent groups in our society than previously thought, so I guess I could see the taboo against child-porn easing up too. Very sad and scary.
- etplayer 9y agoThe taboo against child pornography is not easing up; the reason why, to my knowledge, it is considered taboo is beacuse its production requires child abuse. However the production of drawings, comics and stories requires no such abuse, as such, I can see no reason why fictional characters portrayed in fiction should be seen as taboo. Either way, as far as I know the taboo about these comics is not easing up anywhere, as it remains illegal (which I regard as an unjustified affront to freedom of expression) and without much public discourse at all in many Western countries and US states.
- whipoodle 9y agoIt will start with this, just like it starts with "well, Rommel wasn't that bad actually..."
- xg15 9y agoI'm all for decentralized communication but I don't think the example of the article is particularly convincing and I wonder if the article is asking the right questions. So the uncomfortable reason why Mastodon is so popular in japan is that Pixif operates a large Mastodon node which is used to share/discuss questionable images. Discussions about lolicon aside, does any of this actually has something to do with the detail that Mastodon supports federation? The article states that decentralisation is important to allow different rules for different communities. However if, e.g. if Pixif disabled federation or switched from Mastodon to something proprietary, would that change anything? Similarly, Reddit is highly centralized technically but - currently - provides freedom for each subreddit to define their own moderation rules (within the restrictions of Reddit, the company). I feel there is a difference between the "decentralisation" when talking on the social or the technical layer and that difference should be kept in mind.
- glenstein 9y agoYou answered your own question re: the connection between the problem identified in article and Mastodon's structure. A major premise of the article is that Mastodon solved usability issues common to decentralized platforms, and provided a functional space for Pixif's content that wasn't possible with Twitter's rules. I say this as someone who really wants Mastodon to succeed, and hopes for the emergence of mastodon-esque alternatives to Facebook and reddit. A problem with decentralization is that it tests the limits of our tolerance for noxious content. (If you don't think Lolicon qualifies, substitute whatever counts for you as noxious.)
- salmonellaeater 9y agoReddit cannot allow lolicon or Nazi imagery because it's illegal in some countries, and the company would risk fines by allowing it. Mastodon has no such problem as long as the server is in a country that allows the content. Mastodon also avoids the problem some Youtube creators are facing with demonetization. If a video is controversial, Youtube may decide not to show ads on it at all (nor pay the creator) because some advertisers don't want to be associated with the content. I don't know if any Mastodon servers use advertising at all, but if they did they could be more fine-grained in matching content to advertisers. A similarly federated video-sharing network could serve controversial video creators.
- klondike_ 9y agoThis really shows the advantages to a federated social network. People have all sorts of sensibilities about what is acceptable content, and a one-size-fits-all moderation approach like on Twitter will never work for everybody.
- CurtMonash 9y agoImages of all sorts of criminal acts are deemed acceptable, as long as no harm is done to actual individuals during those images' creation. I've never seen why child porn should be a exception. That I would think poorly of somebody for enjoying certain categories of child porn is beside the point.
- rrdharan 9y ago> I've never seen why child porn should be a exception. Primarily because no one has figured out a good way to produce the images without actually harming the children? Or were you talking about lolicon specifically?
- tajen 9y agoDrawings for example. Depictions of all kinds of underage porn are forbidden, yet not all hurt kids.
- solarengineer 9y agoOnce "art" depicting child porn becomes acceptable, would some individuals (adults/children) eventually consider it acceptable to perform the actual acts on a child?
- etplayer 9y agoNo, just as art depicting rape, murder, gang violence etc. does not mean that people eventually consider it acceptable to perform those acts on others.
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- CuriouslyC 9y agoTorture is much worse than molestation in my opinion, yet as a society we don't seem to have a problem with movies like Saw and Hostel.
- mirimir 9y agoWell, it's not just pictures. > “After the enforcement, there will still be high school girls out there who are going to want to earn pocket money, and the men who target these girls won’t disappear, either,” said an official from the Metropolitan Police Department. > “The police come inside, so there are no more real JK girls at the shop. Most of the business is being arranged over the internet, through enko (compensated dating) services.” https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/07/06/national/crime-legal/tokyos-new-jk-ordinance-takes-aim-schoolgirl-exploitation/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/07/06/national/crime-... Global Internet morality is unworkable.
- etplayer 9y agoThis is a separate issue, though it is a problem of course. The fact that this is conflated with the idea of drawn representations of fictional characters is saddening and only server so confuse matters.
- mirimir 9y agoI'm not conflating anything. I'm saying that applying American sexual standards to Japanese culture is problematic. If it's not uncommon for ~14 year old women to earn spending money as sex workers, why wouldn't pictures of naked ~14 year old women be likewise common? One could, of course, argue that Japanese culture is backward and unenlightened. Indeed, I'm sure that many Japanese are convinced of that.
- 0x8BADF00D 9y ago> If it's not uncommon for ~14 year old women to earn spending money as sex workers, why wouldn't pictures of naked ~14 year old women be likewise common? Japan has a culture of child idols too, who are typically pre-pubescent in age. What you're getting at is the distinction between prostitution and pornography is merely syntactic.
- realsimulacrum 9y agoThis isn't morally equivalent, and the amount of overlap between JK and otaku is questionable. It's also unambiguously illegal and happening in the open, which makes the issue a lack of law enforcement rather than cultural desensitization.
- jancsika 9y ago> It’s a constant struggle for Tor to recruit “everyday” users of Tor, who use the service to evade commercial surveillance. That doesn't seem to be a struggle at all. All kinds of users leverage Tor for all kinds of reasons. The struggle is to recruit everyday users who have the inclination, technical expertise, and rhetorical skill necessary to defend the technology against all kinds of fearmongering tactics. There is a general lack of such people. If the same set of interests bent on defeating Tor set their sights on TCP, you can bet that technologists would be struggling to find ways to defend it that could resonate with the general public.
- 0xcde4c3db 9y agoMy understanding is that there's a huge difference between the proportion of sketchy Tor traffic (largely generated by bots?) and the proportion of sketchy Tor users. People often seem to conflate these two things.
- rootsudo 9y ago"Let's enforce my morals to people in their country, wahhhh"
- kstrauser 9y agoI own a Mastodon instance and love its federation options. For instance, I could decide to outright disconnect from that instance (in Mastodon speak, to "block" it) so that my users don't see it (and vice versa). I chose in this case to "silence" it, which means: - My users can still talk to its users and see posts from people they follow. - Posts from that instance don't show up on my "federated timeline" (which is a timeline of all posts made by my users and by the people they follow on other instances; great way to find new interesting people). - I don't cache any media sent from that instance. The default is to cache images locally: if a user on a tiny instance has 10,000 followers on a busy one, the busy one don't make the tiny instance serve up 10,000 copies of every image. So again, my users can talk to their users just like normal, but no one on my instance sees anything unless they specifically opt in to, and any content I dislike never travels through my network or gets stored on my server. I'm happy with that arrangement.
- Animats 9y agoAt last, something that could potentially challenge Facebook's world domination. Somebody gets a federated social network running with a substantial user base, and it runs into this. The US position on child pornography comes from the Meese Report during the Reagan administration.[1] The Reagan administration wanted to crack down on pornography in general to cater to the religious base. But they'd run into First Amendment problems and the courts wouldn't go along. So child pornography, which barely existed at the time, was made the justification for a crackdown. By creating ambiguous laws with severe penalties for child pornography and complex recordkeeping requirements, the plan was to make it too dangerous for adult pornography to be made commercially. But the industry adapted, filling out and filing the "2257 paperwork" as required.[2] After much litigation, things settled down, porn producers kept the required records, and DoJ stopped hassling them about this. So that's how the US got here. That's why it's such a big deal legally in the US, rather than being a branch of child labor law. Japan doesn't have the same political history. Federated systems are stuck with the basic problem of distributed online social systems: anonymity plus wide distribution empowers assholes. That's why Facebook has a "real name" policy - it keeps the jerk level down. [1] https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015058809065;view=1up;seq=427 https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015058809065;vi... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Protection_and_Obscenity_Enforcement_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Protection_and_Obscenity...
- DonbunEf7 9y agoAnonymity, global connectivity, and the grant of arbitrary powers to fresh accounts with no prior reputation. You need this third piece, but websites are often too happy to gloss over it in favor of getting more accounts, more eyeballs, more community, etc. (As usual, posting from an anonymous account.)
- tinalumfoil 9y agoThe US does not consider porn speech https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_v._California https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_v._California
- mynewtb 9y ago> That's why Facebook has a "real name" policy - it keeps the jerk level down. That does not mirror my observations at all.
- ygaf 9y ago>It’s a constant struggle for Tor to recruit “everyday” users of Tor, who use the service to evade commercial surveillance. Those users provide valuable “cover traffic”, making it harder to identify whistleblowers who use the service, and political air cover for those who would seek to ban the tool so they can combat child pornography and other illegal content. Wait - I thought people weren't meant to use Tor (thus its bandwidth) if they didn't need it. Or are they recruiting not just any people, but those who will contrive to browse all day / not download heavily?
- test12356523 9y agoWhat's the point of fascism if it can't get rid of these people
- codedokode 9y ago> lolicon drawings are prohibited > gory, bloody and violent pictures are allowed They must have something wrong with their head.
- asdf453535 9y agoThese people globally need to be eradicated.