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Good for him. I might not agree 100% with his memo, but what we've seen the last days, treating the guy like he just wrote Mein Kampf, silencing any favorable o

Good for him. I might not agree 100% with his memo, but what we've seen the last days, treating the guy like he just wrote Mein Kampf, silencing any favorable opinion in the media (big headlines when a scientist disagrees with him, being silent when a different scientist agrees with him) and internet forums like this one just hinders any possibility of real debate. And that fuels the most right-wing media and forums, by the way. Don't act surprised if the "alt-right" keeps growing in tech and elsewhere.

puranjay 9y ago
Agreed. His conclusions might have been disagreeable, but hardly worth the outrage. The media and the echo chamber it feeds is, once again, to blame.
- throwawaymanbot 9y ago
  Always the media to blame, never the person who didnt have the self-discipline to not only keep their views to them-self, but made it in to a memo to circulate.
  - kobeya 9y ago
    > keep their views to them-self So we want to ban open discussion now? "Have a complaint? Tell HR! But be careful cause if it's the wrong type of complaint we'll very publicly fire and shame you!"
    - BLanen 9y ago
      It wasn't a complaint to hr, don't act like it was. >So we want to ban open discussion now? Can you make a larger strawman than that? I don't know. You removed all context from the situation with that quotation and are representing it like it was some absolute.
  - kickopotomus 9y ago
    The memo was not some sort of mass email sent to all employees. It was posted on an internal message board that was purposed for discussion and peer review. The media is absolutely to blame as they blatantly doctored the original document with their own publications.
  - puranjay 9y ago
    You guys talk as if he was advocating genocide All I got from the document was him questioning entrenched beliefs about diversity. Thats barely the end of the world
m52go 9y ago
Not sure the term "alt-right" will grow as much as it will dilute as it's applied to everyone who doesn't conform to the mainstream liberal platform. Just associating the term to James Damore is ridiculous. A couple weeks ago, Linda Sarsour called Jake Tapper a member of the alt-right for criticizing her. It's become a meaningless catch-all term for the left.
- golemotron 9y ago
  Over the past few decades the Left has used this technique a lot. Take a term like 'racism' or 'white supremacy' and expand its definition to cover many more people than the original definitions did. The problem is that the terms then dilute and becomes less effective as a shaming label. Does the Right ever use this strategy? I can't remember a case where it does.
  - lizardskull 9y ago
    That is a good question. What are the labels the right uses to marginalize the opposition? Perhaps new words will need to be invented to describe people who are the classical definition of racist and white supremacist.
  - geofft 9y ago
    > Does the Right ever use this strategy? I can't remember a case where it does. Sure. Here's an example from this week: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502213891937.png http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502213891937.png "Conduct yourself in an honorable manner. Shouting things like n[...] and k[...] just turns normies off and makes our movement look bad. If you have to condemn someone, call them 'anti-white.'" Literally the literal alt-Right is suggesting that instead of insulting people for their own race just because you don't like them, you should use "anti-white" as an insult, ascribing racism to them, whether or not it's accurate.
    - Neliquat 9y ago
      Equating 4chan with any political movement is asinine.
gdilla 9y ago
I mean, he's the one who injected left vs right in his screed. Imagine if this manifesto was written in the field of medicine.

puranjay 9y ago

Agreed. His conclusions might have been disagreeable, but hardly worth the outrage. The media and the echo chamber it feeds is, once again, to blame.

throwawaymanbot 9y ago
Always the media to blame, never the person who didnt have the self-discipline to not only keep their views to them-self, but made it in to a memo to circulate.
- kobeya 9y ago
  > keep their views to them-self So we want to ban open discussion now? "Have a complaint? Tell HR! But be careful cause if it's the wrong type of complaint we'll very publicly fire and shame you!"
  - BLanen 9y ago
    It wasn't a complaint to hr, don't act like it was. >So we want to ban open discussion now? Can you make a larger strawman than that? I don't know. You removed all context from the situation with that quotation and are representing it like it was some absolute.
- kickopotomus 9y ago
  The memo was not some sort of mass email sent to all employees. It was posted on an internal message board that was purposed for discussion and peer review. The media is absolutely to blame as they blatantly doctored the original document with their own publications.
- puranjay 9y ago
  You guys talk as if he was advocating genocide All I got from the document was him questioning entrenched beliefs about diversity. Thats barely the end of the world

m52go 9y ago

Not sure the term "alt-right" will grow as much as it will dilute as it's applied to everyone who doesn't conform to the mainstream liberal platform. Just associating the term to James Damore is ridiculous. A couple weeks ago, Linda Sarsour called Jake Tapper a member of the alt-right for criticizing her. It's become a meaningless catch-all term for the left.

golemotron 9y ago
Over the past few decades the Left has used this technique a lot. Take a term like 'racism' or 'white supremacy' and expand its definition to cover many more people than the original definitions did. The problem is that the terms then dilute and becomes less effective as a shaming label. Does the Right ever use this strategy? I can't remember a case where it does.
- lizardskull 9y ago
  That is a good question. What are the labels the right uses to marginalize the opposition? Perhaps new words will need to be invented to describe people who are the classical definition of racist and white supremacist.
- geofft 9y ago
  > Does the Right ever use this strategy? I can't remember a case where it does. Sure. Here's an example from this week: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502213891937.png http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1502213891937.png "Conduct yourself in an honorable manner. Shouting things like n[...] and k[...] just turns normies off and makes our movement look bad. If you have to condemn someone, call them 'anti-white.'" Literally the literal alt-Right is suggesting that instead of insulting people for their own race just because you don't like them, you should use "anti-white" as an insult, ascribing racism to them, whether or not it's accurate.
  - Neliquat 9y ago
    Equating 4chan with any political movement is asinine.

gdilla 9y ago

I mean, he's the one who injected left vs right in his screed. Imagine if this manifesto was written in the field of medicine.