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AMD Ryzen 3 1300X and Ryzen 3 1200 CPU Review
- tpaschalis 9y agoWell, some healthy competition in the budget-friendly CPU market, and a good alternative to Intel's i3 (slacking) lineup. Great news for customers!
- onli 9y agoI'd pit them against the i5. Look at the gaming benchmarks, the 1300X is better in some and worse in some other games, but in general on par. While being cheaper and overclockable. I would also be surprised if one could not overclock the 1200 close to the level of the 1500X, and then that $100 cpu will beat the 7400 and be on par with the 7500. And in non-gaming performance looks even better. Edit: Or maybe not. In http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3001-amd-r3-1300x-review-vs-7350k-intel-response/page-4 http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3001-amd-r3-1300x-revie... there is still a comfortable lead of the i5s over the overclocked 1300X, in that different game selection. I will have to wait to see what my meta-benchmark says.
- tpaschalis 9y agoWell, iirc Ryzen 5, gaming performancr got better some time after release, both due to developer optimization processes, and AMD's BIOS updates. i5s should (and probably will be) ahead of R3, but that's more R5's ballpark.
- onli 9y agoThat's sadly unlikely to happen again for the R3, as it is the same architecture as the R5. It will already profit from the prior optimizations. Maybe some gains where hyperthreading was assumed. I checked some benchmarks more by now and it really seems like your last sentence is right: The i5 is in R5s ballpark, the R3 can't reach it.
- jhasse 9y agoThey are missing an iGPU, especially in that price segment.
- bryanlarsen 9y agoWe're already a month into the promised release period of 2H17 for Raven Ridge. Let's hope it comes out closer to the beginning of 2H17 than the end. http://wccftech.com/amd-raven-ridge-ryzen-apu-vega-gpu-leak/ http://wccftech.com/amd-raven-ridge-ryzen-apu-vega-gpu-leak/
- ihsw2 9y agoWe will likely see Zen-based laptops before we see Zen-based standalone APUs, with laptops coming for the holiday season (ie: Oct/Nov) and APUs late 1H18.
- tracker1 9y agoI wouldn't mind seeing a good Zen based laptop... Something around an R7 1700 would be nice, maybe 10-20% lower clock for thermals. Something capable of 64gb ram and user serviceable nvme and/or ssd would be great.
- toast0 9y agoThere's a decent amount of small form factor Intel stuff on laptop chips (Chromebox, Asus Vivo Mini, etc), if socketed apus aren't forthcoming, that might be something that happens with AMD chips too.
- DCKing 9y agoThe fact that they announced it as 'second half' as opposed to 'third quarter' should tell you enough. Anyway, Raven Ridge will be released in laptops first. Desktop Raven Ridge will not be released in desktop formats until 2018.
- jakobdabo 9y agoBristol Ridge APUs were launched today. AM4 socket, DDR4 capable, but it's an updated version of the older architecture, not Zen. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11669/amd-releases-bristol-ridge-to-retail-am4-gets-apus http://www.anandtech.com/show/11669/amd-releases-bristol-rid...
- mrmondo 9y agoWhile I absolutely agree and want to see much more competition - I believe we /need/ to see ECC across the board and of course lack of an integrated GPU seems like it renders the most common deployments of this range of CPU less attractive.
- metalliqaz 9y agoIMHO, the single-thread performance/dollar graph at the end of the article says it all. At this price range, I've found that workloads are still mostly single-threaded. The Intel parts are still the king with their decent clock rates and their deep pipelines. The Ryzen 3 1200 is a total dog.
- dman 9y agoUnless you are using the chips for something like compiling source code or running VMS, in which case the workloads scale almost linearly and the Zen lineup ends up looking like great value for money.
- metalliqaz 9y agoI said "in this price range". Who is using the lowest-end chips? It's not coders or creators. It's not gamers. It's people browsing the web. The responsiveness is the biggest performance metric in that case, and is directly related to straight-line performance.
- old-gregg 9y ago"Total dog" for being 7-13% slower-per-thread but offering twice as many cores? This is ridiculous. I am typing this on a i5 Mac with 2C/4T and the difference in using common office applications (browser, Excel, etc) vs 4C/8T i7 is _insane_. Just using newegg.com is borderline impossible with just a few tabs open unless you have 4 non-SMT threads. Desktop computing is actually pretty good at utilizing many cores these days: the booting process, starting non-trivial applications, using full-disk encryption, running multiple tabs in a browser (or just having a browser open with a few tabs + something else), in all of these conditions 4c/4t CPU will provide tangible, perceivable difference. 2c/4t CPUs are obsolete and I wouldn't recommend one even for an entry-level computer.
- for0one 9y agoI bought a Ryzen desktop with an asrock motherboard a few weeks ago. It was very unstable. Installed Ubuntu 17.04 with upgraded kernel. Most crash / lock ups happened when running vmware workstation. I returned the desktop and now have a very stable Intel I7. It seems like the issue was a combination of the CPU and the motherboard. I assume Ryzen + asrock will run fine on Windows 10.
- seiferteric 9y agoDoes the kernel in 17.04 fully support everything? Sometimes it takes a while to get support for new hardware in the kernel.
- metalliqaz 9y agoIt's probably not a question of support, but rather bugs. Processor errata, chipset errata, bugs in the Linux kernel, bugs in the compilers, and application issues. There is so much opportunity for strange behavior. It takes a long time to work it all out. Intel has had people contributing patches for a very long time. AMD had better get a team on it, if they don't already.
- andyana 9y agoThat's weird. I've got a 500 GB postgres database running on a 1700X doing a couple hundred queries per second around the clock and it hasn't gone down on me yet.
- emidln 9y agoMy personal anecdote has been very positive. I've been running a stable 1800X on an X370-Pro overclocked to 4GHz as my desktop since the end of April. Running Fedora 25 with latest updates (currently on a 4.11.10-200.fc25.x86_64), although it's been stable from the beginning. I use Docker heavily for development as well as various retro game emulators (for n64, psx, dosbox) and VirtualBox. No stability issues.
- kevindqc 9y agoMight just have been a faulty CPU or motherboard. Happens :(
- throw2016 9y agoJust from an year ago the cpu market has changed completely. The sheer amount of choice at all levels is staggering. For the mid level user the 1600 especially is a formidable offering, and the 1700 with 8 cores just ups the ante. As a old Barton user it's really exciting to see AMD climb its way out of nearly a decade of darkness. A well deserved kudos to Lisa and the team. When we talk about female CEOs she is rarely mentioned but here she is in probably one of the most technology intensive industries with a company that was clearly floundering and she has led AMD confidently out of the woods into a position of strength. What a performance.
- tormeh 9y ago>The sheer amount of choice at all levels is staggering. Only when it comes to CPUs are two brands a "staggering" amount of choice. Something is wrong with this business, and I think it's the ISA patents. If Oracle can't patent their software API, then Intel/AMD shouldn't be able to patent their ISA either. An ISA is just a hardware API.
- gcp 9y agoIt's not just ISA. If a competitor to AMD or Intel came out with a chip that requires recompiles, but is significantly ahead of them in a key metric, it would sell in the server market. But competing with Intel and AMD takes billions of research, and well, the design of modern CPUs is surely a patent minefield too. Just look at what's (not) happening with ARM servers.
- arcanus 9y ago> When we talk about female CEOs she is rarely mentioned but here she is in probably one of the most technology intensive industries with a company that was clearly floundering and she has led AMD confidently out of the woods into a position of strength. What a performance. This. It seems amazing to have a technical CEO (she has a PhD from MIT) who also has management and turnaround ability.
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- elihu 9y agoIs AMD planning to release something with integrated graphics? It's nice that they're making parts available without it, but it seems like a lot of people buying cheap CPUs would rather not buy a separate GPU.
- metalliqaz 9y agoIn the beginning of the article, they state "Zen paired with graphics, coming in Q3/Q4"
- elihu 9y agoAh, I missed it. Thanks.
- shmerl 9y agoRaven Ridge.
- rb808 9y agoAre the TDP figures to be trusted? How does the heat produced compare with Intel offerings? The last time I bought an AMD my PC felt like a hair dryer, will I regret going AMD again?
- onli 9y agoThat's frankly a valid question, since the prior generation of AMD chips was really bad in this area. But the article has a whole page about power consumption. AMDs TDP rating normally can't be trusted, because they compute it in very strange ways, but in this case the full load power usage of the 1500X is only 2W above 65W, so it checks out. The R3 1300X always stays below, and the slower clocked 1200 even uses a lot less. In general Ryzen's power consumption is not bad.
- kllrnohj 9y agoJust look at the power consumption metrics in the review. If it used less power, it produced less heat. Nearly all the power that's used is directly converted to heat. TDP doesn't mean anything about what the CPU will produce under actual loads, it's the budget that the OEM should provide to satisfy the performance target of the CPU. Simple example of this is the 51W TDP Intel chips consistently used more power (and thus produced more heat) than the 65W TDP Intel chip. The reason is Intel is OK with the 51W TDP chips thermal-throttling more than they are the 65W TDP part, because that's the performance they are selling. Under full load the Ryzen 3 1200 was power-competitive with the Intel offerings, whereas the Ryzen 3 1300X and Ryzen 5 1500X used 20w more power. 20W is not going to be that noticeable, though.
- thinkmassive 9y agoIt depends where that 20W is going... on the floor or into your lap and hands? I'm building a small cluster of i3 NUCs, but I like AMD so this is intriguing. Power efficiency is important to me, and 20W is less negligible when it's multiplied.
- e12e 9y agoI don't see why you wouldn't (particularly) trust the measured power draw (as opposed to everything else in the review), which is what really matters anyway: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11658/the-amd-ryzen-3-1300x-ryzen-3-1200-cpu-review/16 http://www.anandtech.com/show/11658/the-amd-ryzen-3-1300x-ry... Looks like they do pretty well vis-a-vis Intel.
- shmerl 9y agoI'm still waiting for this nasty hardware bug to be addressed: https://community.amd.com/message/2796982 https://community.amd.com/message/2796982 Or actually, there are 2 bugs. Some random freezes, and heavy multithreading segfaults.
- powercf 9y agoThis should get more recognition from the media. Especially as AMD are launching server and high-end CPUs with high core-counts (where I assume a large part of the market will be programmers), getting 120fps instead of 140fps in ${SOME_GAME} is irrelevant compared to unpredictable crashes during `make -j 16`. Personally I would like to build a Ryzen (possibly ThreadRipper, depending on pricing) computer this year, but that is definitely on hold until this issue is fixed.
- Nosion 9y agoMore recogniced just like the Intel bugs on their BayTrail and appraently also the new Apollo Lake(same CPU family). https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109051 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109051 - check how old it is... I have a sad HomeServer (J1900 BayTrail).
- digi_owl 9y agoReminds me of when i first fiddled with Linux, and while checking out dmesg noticed a line up top about having detected a bug in the CPU and deploying a workaround. I am not sure, but i think it may have been the F00F bug.
- cbcoutinho 9y agoAre there any performance benchmarks associated with building software? Similar to your point, gaming benchmarks are totally meaningless to me, but I would love to learn about the difference in time it takes to build some large software (e.g. Chrome) on various cpus.
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- ksec 9y agoWhile the benchmarks shows AMD is doing well, I wonder How much disadvantage are AMD Zen getting with the current compiler and software optimizes for Intel? I am still eagerly waiting for Zen + Vega APU.
- ihsw2 9y agoZen+Vega APUs will probably come early next year and I've seen anecdotal reports suggesting to hold off for Zen+Navi in late 2018/early 2019.
- gcp 9y agoStuff using Intel's compiler or maths libraries is going to suck, somewhat. Other stuff, that's just using MSVC/gcc/clang/llvm code targeted to Skylake/Haswell etc will run just fine, as Zen's microarch is similar enough. AMD's own compiler is like a 3% performance difference for us, compared to regular clang. No big influence, basically.
- jhoechtl 9y agoWhat about Zen powered laptops? What is holding them back?
- ihsw2 9y agoZen CPU sales are expected to be brisk for some time, supply yields are likely an issue as well as laptop OEMs probably feeling skittish about pricing. AMD announced a refresh of their APUs but it's probably just a half-hearted stop-gap aimed at those wanting current-gen Vega-based graphics but too impatient to wait for Zen-based compute. The holy grail of Zen compute/Vega graphics systems are coming down the pipe but probably just in time for the 2017 back-to-school season, if not Black Friday/holiday season.
- leojg 9y agoI also would like to know. I'm about to upgrade my laptop and would like to see some viable amd options.