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All the comments that "you can just use X to do Y" is missing the point that Paint just works, for almost every value of Y. No argument, Paint.net is great, sn
by mwexler 9y ago
All the comments that "you can just use X to do Y" is missing the point that Paint just works, for almost every value of Y. No argument, Paint.net is great, snipping tool solves the grab and crop, but for most anything else you need to do in a hurry, you need a quick paint program. It's like removing Notepad: we all know hundreds of editors we would replace it with, from Notepad++ to vim/emacs... but isn't nice that when you aren't on your box, you know the core set of tools that are always there? (In other news, Fedora announces dropping grep, lc, and ls from the distro, in favor of python: "most users are devs, let them write their own tools" they stated in a press release).
Paint3D takes longer to load, and has made the simple... much less simple. While we can all say "Yes, that's the way of tech", it's just not necessary.
And yes, I still miss my 1/8" jack on my iphone. Every single day. And stay off my lawn, you whippersnappers.
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- jadbox 9y agoWoh, why would a distribution drop something as common as grep? Saying you can build it yourself sounds crazy when it always exists and cross-platform...
- markrages 9y agoTwas satire
- IshKebab 9y agoMaybe they want the core experience to not require ancient command line tools? You don't see many Windows users complaining about the lack of grep.
- castis 9y agoI don't see many Windows users hanging out in the CLI for extended periods of time, either. Even though OP wasn't serious about fedora nixing grep, surely you see the lack of equivalence in that argument.
- codefined 9y agoWhen Windows users want to hang out in the CLI they virtualise Linux or use cmder[0]. [0] http://cmder.net/ http://cmder.net/
- profpandit 9y agoAbsolutely. Paint is by a long shot, Microsoft's best product. It's easy to build since it's codebase is pretty small and they haven't changed it much since it was introduced. So it's rock solid. IDK why they're fixing what ain't broke.
- crispytx 9y agoAgreed! Paint was the only Microsoft product that I actually loved.
- Karunamon 9y agoThey did the same thing with the calculator, turning what is probably the simplest app on the entire computer into a Metro-ified flat-design-meme store-dependent mess for absolutely no benefit.
- smcl 9y agoA Metro-ified flat-design-meme store-dependent mess which takes a noticeable delay to load. I've taken to firing up an instance of IDLE instead - which is actually a little nicer in the end
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- pletnes 9y agoYou need to give ipython a go.
- smcl 9y agoI have one deployed on Digital Ocean (http://blog.mclemon.io/fedora-jupyter-on-a-linux-remote-using-systemd http://blog.mclemon.io/fedora-jupyter-on-a-linux-remote-usin...) but it's just not as convenient or quick as a local python repl for quick calcs and sums.
- troncheadle 9y ago> And yes, I still miss my 1/8" jack on my iphone. Every single day. I'm very curious -- anything thoughts on what will be your next phone? Iphone again, or branching out to new 1/8" jack pastures?
- platz 9y agoyour tone suggests one's preferences should be dictated by a corporation's interests; it's perfectly reasonable that the 1/8" jack solves problems for the user that the lightning jack does not solve. Even if they don't even include a 1/8" jack on future products, it could still have been preferable from the individual point of view.
- freehunter 9y agoEither you replied to the wrong person or you are majorly projecting your own displeasure. They just asked if the other person was planning on sticking with the iPhone in the future or moving to something that still includes the headphone jack. There was no negative tone to be inferred from that post.
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- brak1 9y agohttps://www.getpaint.net/license.html https://www.getpaint.net/license.html
- krylon 9y agoHuh. I thought it was open source. EDIT: Wikipedia says it used to be open source, but it went to closed source. Still free as in beer, though.
- rhencke 9y agoAnyone wondering as to why Paint.NET transitioned to closed source may find this insightful: https://blog.getpaint.net/2007/12/04/freeware-authors-beware-of-%E2%80%9Cbackspaceware%E2%80%9D/ https://blog.getpaint.net/2007/12/04/freeware-authors-beware...
- ue_ 9y agoDespite what happened to his software, which is clearly unfortunate, it's a shame to see it turn closed source. I would have thought that projects would be hopefully moving toward more free licenses.
- flukus 9y agoWhat license was it under? If it was something like BSD than it sounds like what people were doing with the program was legal.
- gpvos 9y agoMIT, and no. Even the BSD and MIT licenses don't allow you to remove the copyright notice.
- Spooky23 9y ago
- notadoc 9y ago> And yes, I still miss my 1/8" jack on my iphone. Every single day. Agree. I bought an iPhone 7 and now I never listen to music or podcasts with it, a very unexpected side effect of not having a headphone jack.
- draw_down 9y agoYeah, it's a frequent pain in my behind. I always lose the stupid little dongle things.
- lps41 9y agoI'm curious about this - why do you no longer listen to music or podcasts? The phone comes with headphones that plug directly into the lightning port, and an 1/8" adapter so you can still use your old headphones. Personally I just keep the adapter permanently attached to my 1/8" headphones. Only downside for me is the inability to charge at the same time, but then the iPhone 7's battery life is pretty great, so that's not a huge deal.
- dcole2929 9y agoProbably because this person like many has multiple headphones. I have nicer "cans" I use at work. I have the crappy included ones that I use in the gym or when commuting. Noise cancelling buds for travel. And that's not even counting the times I might want to use the aux cord in my car. Having to carry around an adapter is dumb. I have a 6s and will not be upgrading to any phone without a headphone jack
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- alanh 9y ago"just" by a dongle for each set of headphones you regularly use. For me, that means one dongle, but if I had 'work headphones' I would instantly buy a second dongle so I would never have to worry about this. Obviously that is objectionable on a $$$ apple tax $$$ level, but pragmatically it's not much of an issue. I do still miss the mini RCA jack, however, because on occasion I do forget my headphones & adapter and can't use any other normal headphones. (And I hate charging headphones and wearing batteries on my ears)
- keithpeter 9y ago"And yes, I still miss my 1/8" jack on my iphone. Every single day. And stay off my lawn, you whippersnappers." In my case so that I can use, with appropriate adapters in some cases, reasonably nice over-ear headphones (Beyerdynamic, Grado and Seinheiser). Do I really need several stages of modulation, propogation, reception and demodulation between me and my signal?
- dcole2929 9y agoExactly this. It's nice that lightning theoretically gives you more throughput but it's completely pointless if the signal has to get transformed a half dozen times between device and ear. And all the nicer phones aren't going to lightning cables either because the Pro Audio community (the people primarily buying $3-400 non Beats headphones) would revolt.
- dm319 9y agoYes, has anyone looked at the quality of the DAC in the 'dongle'?
- probablybanned 9y agoSome tests are referenced in this article: https://ifixit.org/blog/8448/apple-audio-adapter-teardown/ https://ifixit.org/blog/8448/apple-audio-adapter-teardown/
- TylerE 9y agoI dunno. Decent cans don't generally drive well from phones anyway - so you're stuck with an external amp. Many amps have integrated DACs... why not just feed digital audio to the amp/dac via lightning?
- throwaway7645 9y agoWait what...Fedora dropped "ls" and "grep"? Why?
- rjbwork 9y agoExactly. He was using a hyperbolic situation to point it out.
- throwaway7645 9y agoAh...missed it, but knew that couldn't be right.
- imaginenore 9y ago> Paint just works That's an exaggeration. It's very limited. There are much more capable free image editors: * Photo Pos Pro * Krita * GIMP or CinePaint There are also many simple Paint-like options: * Pinta * Pixelitor * PaintStar * PhotoScape
- freehunter 9y agoIn this case, "more capable" is an anti-feature. Paint "just works" because it's so damn simple and easy. And with the added benefit that it comes pre-installed, so you don't need to comparison shop between four other tools to see if you like them or not.
- vacri 9y agoGIMP is the only one I'm familiar with, and it doesn't "just work". There is a definite and steep learning curve, including why you can't 'just save an image' like you save any other document.
- swivelmaster 9y agoI just used Paint3D for the first time last night and was astounded by how terrible it is. Confirming to scale an image by manually entering a % value requires you to click outside of the value field BUT inside the scale dialog. That's right - there's no Apply or Confirm button, you just have to figure out to click there. Pressing Return or Enter doesn't do it either. On the second open, there was a "rate this app in the app store if you like it" popup. Microsoft's ineptitude at UX is mind-boggling.
- Clubber 9y agoI still use Paint to crop screen shots when I need to send them to people. Quick and gets it done, on any Windows computer.
- freehunter 9y agoI still haven't found anything similar on Mac. It's the biggest thing I miss after making the switch. Preview is close, but still not the same. And Gimp, the usual recommendation, is far, far far far too heavyweight to be a valid comparison to Paint.
- tracker1 9y agoYou can take a look at Pinta[0] I don't recall if it's a clone or a port of Paint.Net, but works for me as a quick tool... the OS integration (open with) needs some work though. It uses Mono as a portable runtime and is decent enough, again for most work. IMHO easier to use than Gimp, though not as feature rich. https://pinta-project.com/pintaproject/pinta/ https://pinta-project.com/pintaproject/pinta/
- cakedoggie 9y agoYou don't need it on a mac. You can take a screenshot of a part of the screen only, and it saves it to an image on your desktop, you can send to anyone.
- freehunter 9y agoAnything similar to Paint in general, not just this specific use case. Paint covers a lot of uses that Preview doesn't.
- captaincrowbar 9y agoI'm liking Paintbrush: https://paintbrush.sourceforge.io/ https://paintbrush.sourceforge.io/
- vincvinc 9y agoYou can use Window's built-in Snipping Tool to do that more quickly than with paint (still love paint though)
- jimbokun 9y ago"And yes, I still miss my 1/8" jack on my iphone. Every single day. And stay off my lawn, you whippersnappers." Interestingly, my teenage sons use the phrase "pass the aux", meaning let me drive the music we are currently listening to over the party speakers with my phone. So yes, Apple's attempt to kill the aux jack was definitely premature, even among young tech savvy people.
- cakedoggie 9y ago> So yes, Apple's attempt to kill the aux jack was definitely premature, even among young tech savvy people. Not sure what you mean by this, it is the best selling iphone.
- jimmaswell 9y agoIt would be nearly impossible for Apple to make an iPhone that doesn't sell well. The point is that people still use aux cables.
- iamcreasy 9y agoYes Yes Yes. If Microsoft is listening 'PLEASE, do not remove Paint. I use it every day for doing very simple tasks, and it JUST WORKS!'
- voltagex_ 9y agoUpvote this one: https://aka.ms/c6od8k https://aka.ms/c6od8k (Yes, that's a terrible feedback/issue, but it's the closest one I've found).
- ctolkien 9y agohttps://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/07/24/ms-paint-stay/ https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/07/24/ms-pa... Paint isn't going anywhere.
- underwater 9y agoI don't understand the love for Paint. It's terrible at almost every single thing it does. Cropping is complicated. Resizing is complicated. Text and drawing result in a blocky mess. It's just unfortunate Paint 3D is a slug.