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Pushed on how encrypted messages could be read when service providers don't hold the keys necessary decryption, and Turnbull had this to say: Well, the laws of
by gingernaut 9y ago
Pushed on how encrypted messages could be read when service providers don't hold the keys necessary decryption, and Turnbull had this to say:
Well, the laws of Australia prevail in Australia, I can assure you of that. The laws of mathematics are very commendable but the only laws that applies in Australia is the law of Australia.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2017/07/14/uk_spookhas_gchq_can_crack_endtoend_encryption_says_australian_ag/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2017/07/14/uk_spookhas_gch...
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoSo if Australia made gravity illegal....nope, too easy.
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- tp3z4u 9y agoAlmost a literal god complex there. Sounds about right for Turnbull.
- quink 9y ago> The laws of mathematics are very commendable but the only laws that applies in Australia is the law of Australia. Explains their broadband policy too.
- cyphar 9y agoEveryone knows that photons can't travel uphill. NBN says so!
- Silhouette 9y agoIt's horrifying that standards of education have fallen so far that a national political leader can say things like this with a straight face and enough voters will believe them to make it a viable political strategy. Our leaders here in the UK and in several of our European neighbours are no better.
- atmosx 9y agoIt's nothing new really. Reagan, Bush, etc.
- dis-sys 9y agoat least better than Obama
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- nl 9y agoA bullet killing a person is the 'law of physics'. It doesn't mean it can't be outlawed. In fact, I'd make the case that it is horrifying that anyone reading that statement doesn't understand exactly what it means. Don't underestimate your opponents here. They are smart, well educated and know what is possible and what isn't.
- avh02 9y ago>A bullet killing a person is the 'law of physics'. It doesn't mean it can't be outlawed. Illegal or not, it actually still happens, this is a fact that can not be argued. Pretending that making it illegal automatically stops all bad things from happening is also bad. All that said, I'm pretty glad that hurling bullets is not legal because shooting someone is rarely ever good (argue self-defence, etc) but the whole privacy debate is a different monster.
- nl 9y agoI'm not sure what you think I disagree with here?
- vacri 9y agoWhat straight face? He's presenting the policy, and a journalist asks him "won't the laws of mathematics trump the laws of australia". When have you ever seen a senior politician reply to something like that with "Oh, you're right. I withdraw the policy". It was standard politician's bluster, answering a question in kind; it wasn't meant to be taken as a literal truth. Do you think the journalist who asked the question thought that mathematical law and national laws were the same kind of thing? Shouldn't you be mocking the journo just as much for asking such a silly question? People wonder why politicians hedge everything they say these days, and refuse to say much of substance. This is why: they get crucified on any single comment which sounds funny when taken out of context. Disclaimer: not a conservative voter, and indeed generally vote on the far opposite side to Turnbull.
- nl 9y agoIt's a huge, huge mistake to laugh at this. Turnbull understands perfectly well he can't outlaw Math. What he can do is build and international alliance to outlaw end-to-end encryption. That's the goal here, and laughing at 'stupid' comments instead of looking at how it might actually be accomplished is what got us metadata retention laws. "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" doesn't just apply to good things.
- daxfohl 9y agoThough when you look at FBI or whatever vs Apple last year ... what does it even matter? All this proclamation does is claim that OZ gov't entities are incompetent compared to their US counterparts.
- nl 9y agoIt matters because some people think that the laughing means it can't possibly work. This law can work, but it can be stopped. But laughing means some are treating a genuine threat as a joke.
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- Fr0styMatt88 9y agoSo, how do we stop it? Serious question - how do we go about making our voices heard in a way that will make a difference?
- type0 9y agoWell if they do ban encryption they probably would still use it themselves (government, politicians). That would literally mean different laws for different people. Fight it on the basis of that. Remember how France tried to outlaw the encryption in the 90s and it didn't work because government servers were also using it.
- bshimmin 9y agoJust to add a moment of levity, I'm reminded of a great quote from Alan Sokal: Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.)