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Because it is securing the CPU from us, users. It's sad that devices that we are losing control over devices that we are purchasing. It's not just CPUs, phones
by takeda 9y ago
Because it is securing the CPU from us, users.
It's sad that devices that we are losing control over devices that we are purchasing. It's not just CPUs, phones even cars :/
- astrodust 9y agoA lot of these CPUs are purchased not by individual consumers but by corporations. Spend ten minutes in a typical IT department and you'd want any assistance you can get in protecting the computers from users.
- marcosdumay 9y agoBy all means, make it an upsell. If corporations ar that interested on it (what I doubt, I've never seen the interest), it can even be an expensive upsell. But why is it shoved into everybody, and impossible to turn off?
- astrodust 9y agoIt's because individuals don't protest loud enough, but corporations want this. It's market pressure. Apply market pressure by raising a consumer-level fuss if you think it's important to have chips without this.
- marcosdumay 9y agoEvery other thing that individuals don't want badly corporations want becomes an upsell used to segment the market. But those "security" engines don't.
- bryanbuckley 9y ago> But why is it shoved into everybody, and impossible to turn off? I suspect business reasons? Or lack of demand? Maybe some of the same reasons it's not open source even though there is no reason it shouldn't be? Why can't you turn this (trusted computing) stuff off on iPhones etc?
- daxorid 9y ago> I suspect business reasons? All current-run Intel processors include ECC support on-die in the memory controller. They go out of their way to disable it on consumer processors so they can extract more money from Xeon, even though it's right there in your Core i5's silicon, going unused. Business history suggests that if they could boost profits by selling ME only to enterprise customers at a premium, they would do it in a heartbeat. There's something . . . else . . . going on, here.
- sliken 9y agoIt's mind bogglingly expensive to make a die, so of course the i5/i7 and e3 use the same die. I've not noticed any xeon premium though, the Xeon E3-1230 for instance seems to be on the same price/perf curve as the i7-7700 and i7-7700k. Xeon E5's are much more expensive, but that's because it has more cores, ecc, dual socket capable etc. The E3 is basically the same chip as the i7 with different features enaled (overclocking instead of ecc).
- takeda 9y agoHe is saying they are blocking ECC even though is available, why ME is not similarly blocked and available only on premium CPUs, why we can't even disable it?
- bryanbuckley 9y agoYes exactly. Just like servers. There just needs to be a big lawsuit, or law, or something, to make it clear that owners of a device shall have real ownership of that device (i.e. be able to have your own boot keys and capability to disable/enable features like trusted computing).
- takeda 9y agoThat's actually not a bad idea. Maybe we could somehow organize a class action lawsuit. Perhaps if it hits them in the pockets the message will be loud and clear?