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Well, of course. Only companies with fuck-you money can afford the extra bytes spaces take up versus tabs, so it follows logically that they'd pay their develop
by timhwang21 9y ago
Well, of course. Only companies with fuck-you money can afford the extra bytes spaces take up versus tabs, so it follows logically that they'd pay their developers more.
- astrodust 9y agoThe eight spaces companies are clearly flying high and the place to be if you're looking for mad bank.
- bacongobbler 9y agopoor ruby devs and their two-space indentation rules.
- lrusnac 9y agoyeah, just because in 2017 storing source code is the most expensive thing for a company. but really, the storage is almost free nowadays...
- okreallywtf 9y agoSeems unfair to downvote you just for misunderstanding, that was sarcasm friend.
- dmix 9y agoIt's pretty much an unwritten rule that a sarcastic joke on the internet with sufficient exposure will get a response by someone who didn't get it. Using /s really kills the fun (and whole point) of using sarcasm so it's a trade off to accept these comments will happen. I'm impartial to downvoting as to reply literally doesn't usually add to the conversation, which is generally the point of downvoting. Losing karma shouldn't hurt your feelings.
- shangxiao 9y agoKnown as Poe's Law [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
- hinkley 9y agoI will don't understand why it's called Poe's Law if he said it in 2005. This phenomenon was well documented on Usenet by the early nineties.
- sqeaky 9y agoIf we called everything that was first described on Usenet as "Usenet's Law" then everything would be Usenet's law, probably even a couple of things in physics.
- tripzilch 9y agoAlso known as Usenet's Law [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14561801 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14561801
- qb45 9y agoKnown as Stigler's law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler%27s_law_of_eponymy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigler%27s_law_of_eponymy
- Dylan16807 9y agoPoe's Law is when extreme views seem to self-parody. That's different from someone missing the joke on mundane sarcasm.
- Roodgorf 9y agoDo you mean partial to? As in, you favor downvoting over commenting to point out their mistake? Don't mean to be nitpicky, just genuinely confused if that was a mistake or I'm misunderstanding.
- mbaha 9y agoI strongly think \s should be enforced in every post in HN.\s
- alttab 9y agoKilled the fun with the second one.
- brink 9y agoI can't debate sarcasm.
- Deregibus 9y agoFor portability you should use /s, not \s. \s only works on Windows.
- angry_octet 9y agoYou should have escaped the tag, like this \\s. Your second tag closed, forcing people to take your post seriously.
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- ccalvert 9y agoI'm confused. Do you mean that we're allowed to create posts on Hacker News that are not sarcastic? I thought there was a rule, with a powerful AI enforcing it, stating that all posts had to be sarcastic. (Warning, this post is sarcastic and not meant to be taken literally.)
- ronnier 9y agoI've grown so tired of sarcasm. Online and in real life people are often saying the exact opposite of what they mean. We have to pick up the sarcasam to truly understand.
- bacongobbler 9y agosarcasm is one of the true idiosyncrasies of humanity that differentiates us from the machines. Embrace it.
- sqeaky 9y agoRight up until we can type "include('sarcasm')" and have it work.
- K0SM0S 9y agoThe real issue with sarcasm is that it actually places the burden of subtleness on the speaker, whereas people will usually blame the listener for not understanding. If the tone and wording isn't just about perfect, then it's obviously easy to miss sarcasm, let alone the humorous intent. And that is sometimes very hard in writing, hence the "/s" which ruins the fun for everybody. Likewise if the listener isn't educated about the object of sarcasm, little can s/he get the irony of the statement... I think missed sarcasm has more to do with failed cultural fit than fault of anyone involved. Which is probably why it's much more common and accepted within social circles than in general discussion. HN clearly fits the former, though; sarcasm is just about yet another norm here!
- dmix 9y ago> HN clearly fits the former, though; sarcasm is just about yet another norm here! Agreed, this is why I didn't want to take a hard position on downvoting someone for missing the sarcasm. We're in a public forum which crosses cultural boundaries. I see the argument for both sides. Although I lean more towards downvoting as the majority of people on HN will get the joke and it's an opportunity to learn for those unfamiliar with the mainstream culture.
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- XCSme 9y agoWell, white-space is removed anyway in compressed production files...
- zcdziura 9y agoWoooosh...
- haburka 9y agoWarning, the parent post is sarcastic and should be chuckled at.
- gcb0 9y agoyour comment seems to imply that the article and all other comments are not... I'm confused now.
- IshKebab 9y agoThe article is serious. But I'm guessing there is either something subtle wrong in the analysis (they even find Go programmers who use spaces earn more, which makes no sense given that 99% of Go programmers use tabs), or it's some kind of weird selection bias, given that it the sample is self-selected.
- gcb0 9y agojust because it was not posted on april 1st, it doesnt make the article serious. they are publishing a very limited, informal, unscientific, survey and having fun drawing outlandish conclusions. if you think this was serious in any way you may want to bring back pirates to counter global warming.
- hwillis 9y agoPalapa money
- pmattos 9y ago...if you hit ten spaces you might afford a full Palapa forest ;)
- MichaelMoser123 9y agoI think that a rational sounding inerpretation can be found: all spaces means python programmer (mixing spaces and tabs messes up the indentation), python rulez, therefore high salary
- mncolinlee 9y agoSpaces over tabs is the default for IntelliJ. Given there are over ten million Java developers who are in very high demand, Python is practically a rounding error.
- chaosphere2112 9y agoAlso, they controlled for language and the effect was still present.
- qb45 9y agoThe only thing they didn't control for is Stack Overflow use. It's official: science proves that highly paid tab users just don't need it.
- jake-sutton 9y agoAccording to the article, he tried controlling for language and the effect remained.
- lhorie 9y agoWhile your comment is obviously meant as a joke, it somehow rings true from my anecdotal experience. I'd also like to see an analysis of space-vs-tabs as it relates to operating systems. Again, from anecdotal experience, it seems spaces are more common for folks with *nix background who tend to work in product-oriented companies (i.e. where code is an asset) and tabs are more common with windows folks, who tend to work on IT (i.e. where code is liability)
- mdinstuhl 9y agoThis is...this is actually brilliant logic.
- jermaustin1 9y agoI'd like to add my own anecdote: Windows development primarily happens on one vendor's IDE - Microsoft Visual Studio, and where MS leads, Windows-based developer follow. Case in point - I use the default Visual Studio settings which are spaces, BUT they weren't always. I remember as recently as 2008 tabs were the default.
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- balabaster 9y agoHmmm... I've mostly only ever worked in Windows environments with the odd linux machine here and there, but mostly Windows, I've worked in both I.T. and product-oriented shops. I've mostly favored spaces. I've never been questioned it or asked to do differently. Generally speaking, those that care about the money, don't give a fuck about whether I use tabs or spaces. I've worked in tight-ass shops that have nickeled and dimed for every cent savings and I've worked for shops flush with cash to pay developers to do it right. In my actual experience, I've never seen any relation to tabs vs. spaces with regards to being paid more. Nobody that has ever paid me for what I do has cared about which I use, nor have they questioned it. One thing I have noticed in programmers are an asset vs. programmers are a liability is that companies who understand that automation is going to extend their profitability by more of a margin than it costs them will pay you what you're worth. Those that view programming as a sunk cost, that just makes their lives easier or cuts costs will pay you what they can get away with. Don't work for a company that views you as a cost centre. Work for a company that views you as a profit centre. The work will be more meaningful. You will be more fulfilled. You will most likely be less stressed and you will most certainly be appreciated and respected more.
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- webmaven 9y agoDilbert (well, Ashok really) has a few more storage-saving suggestions: http://dilbert.com/strip/1996-08-20 http://dilbert.com/strip/1996-08-20
- cuckcuckspruce 9y agoSo you're saying that if I spent 30 minutes learning fmt then I can expect a raise? Sold!
- infodroid 9y agoYou probably mean companies that are loaded or well-funded or stupidly rich. This isn't the same as fuck-you money, which refers to the amount of savings a person would need in order to retire early and thereby bid their employer goodbye. See for example: http://time.com/money/4187538/f-u-money-defined-how-much-calculator/ http://time.com/money/4187538/f-u-money-defined-how-much-cal...
- MediumD 9y agoThis is one of the funniest comments I've read on here. This deserves more recognition