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Just a small anecdote: in southern Brazil there are a bunch of protected tree species and there used to be people collectives which dropped mud seed bombs aroun

by caio1982 9y ago

Just a small anecdote: in southern Brazil there are a bunch of protected tree species and there used to be people collectives which dropped mud seed bombs around city gardens (I don't know if they were the same kind of manure/soil India is using, but I am pretty sure they were actually semi dry mud balls to resist winters). The trick here is that protected trees cannot be cut down, never, no matter where they grow. The fee you pay if you chop one down is abdurdly high. Wherever the bombs germinate you will have permanent reforestation. I wish/hope there is something similar in India :-)

emiliobumachar 9y ago
That's fascinating. I'd like to know more. Do you have any links? I do speak Portuguese.
- woliveirajr 9y ago
  Search for the words: araucária, corte, licenciamento ambiental, árvore nativa. For ex.: http://licenciamentoambientalmunicipal.blogspot.com/2013/01/licenciamento-ambiental-de-araucaria.html http://licenciamentoambientalmunicipal.blogspot.com/2013/01/... http://licenciadorambiental.com.br/licenciamento-ambiental-de-araucaria-angustifolia/ http://licenciadorambiental.com.br/licenciamento-ambiental-d...
forinti 9y ago
In Brazil reforestation is also used for criminal purposes. If you plant a certain kind of pine, it will, over time, completely overtake local species. In the course of a decade or two, you can transform protected areas into whatever you wish.
canttestthis 9y ago
Sandalwood and a few others are protected across India. Growing sandalwood without a permit was recently legalized in India, but cutting it is still illegal. Though it mainly grows in the south of India (not sure if its because of climate or happenstance). Other states occasionally maintain their own smaller lists of protected trees.
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marcosdumay 9y ago
> The trick here is that protected trees cannot be cut down, never, no matter where they grow. Yes, and people die because of that.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  How do they die?
  - burkaman 9y ago
    I've heard of environmentalists being murdered while trying to stop loggers from cutting down protected trees. Not sure if that's what they mean.
  - nonamechicken 9y ago
    Wikipedia page of Brazil Nuts tree says this: In Brazil, it is illegal to cut down a Brazil nut tree. As a result, they can be found outside production areas, in the backyards of homes and near roads and streets. The fruit containing nuts are very heavy and rigid, and they pose a serious threat to vehicles and people passing under the tree. Brazil nuts sink in fresh water, which can cause clogging of waterways in riparian areas.
  - nonamechicken 9y ago
    Wikipedia page for Brazil Nuts tree says this: In Brazil, it is illegal to cut down a Brazil nut tree. As a result, they can be found outside production areas, in the backyards of homes and near roads and streets. The fruit containing nuts are very heavy and rigid, and they pose a serious threat to vehicles and people passing under the tree. Brazil nuts sink in fresh water, which can cause clogging of waterways in riparian areas.
  - marcosdumay 9y ago
    Trees fall. When you can't cut down trees that grow on cities or near rural houses, trees fall on people.
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stcredzero 9y ago
I wish/hope there is something similar in India :-) Be careful what you wish for. If you can do something sneaky with biological tech for justice, others can do bad things with it too. When I saw the headline with "drone" in it, I immediately imagined an evil plot where some organization genetically engineers a plant to produce pollen with a tailored allergenic effect on one particular ethnic group, then seeds a particular area with it. What's more, they slowly ramp up the level of allergenic effect over the space of a decade, so that the effect looks natural. This will probably be within the reach of billionaires and smaller governments in a decade.
- samstave 9y ago
  Wow... I am amazed that this is where you "immediately" thought to go... What I thought about was drone-bombing marijuana on all private residences and public buildings of government. Imagine seeding the whitehouse lawn with pot!
  - smt88 9y ago
    Naturally growing marijuana is common in the US. It's possible there's "ditch weed" growing all over DC. (And no, you can't use it to get high.) More: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3tz1ym/does_marijuana_grow_naturally_in_the_woods_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3tz1ym/does_mari...
  - civilian 9y ago
    I'm pretty sure that you don't want to violate the white house air space. :-O However, I'm sure there are a lot of soft targets, and this is a genius idea. Does the DEA have some nice lawns? Maybe state capitols?
  - beat 9y ago
    Back in my carefree days of youth, I would save the seeds from all the pot I smoked, sprout them in wet paper towels, and plant the sprouts in poorly-maintained landscaping around government buildings. It grows quickly, so it was always amusing to see a couple of obvious marijuana plants springing up by the shrubs and juniper bushes.

emiliobumachar 9y ago

That's fascinating. I'd like to know more. Do you have any links? I do speak Portuguese.

woliveirajr 9y ago
Search for the words: araucária, corte, licenciamento ambiental, árvore nativa. For ex.: http://licenciamentoambientalmunicipal.blogspot.com/2013/01/licenciamento-ambiental-de-araucaria.html http://licenciamentoambientalmunicipal.blogspot.com/2013/01/... http://licenciadorambiental.com.br/licenciamento-ambiental-de-araucaria-angustifolia/ http://licenciadorambiental.com.br/licenciamento-ambiental-d...

forinti 9y ago

In Brazil reforestation is also used for criminal purposes. If you plant a certain kind of pine, it will, over time, completely overtake local species. In the course of a decade or two, you can transform protected areas into whatever you wish.

canttestthis 9y ago

Sandalwood and a few others are protected across India. Growing sandalwood without a permit was recently legalized in India, but cutting it is still illegal. Though it mainly grows in the south of India (not sure if its because of climate or happenstance). Other states occasionally maintain their own smaller lists of protected trees.

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marcosdumay 9y ago

> The trick here is that protected trees cannot be cut down, never, no matter where they grow. Yes, and people die because of that.

stcredzero 9y ago
How do they die?
- burkaman 9y ago
  I've heard of environmentalists being murdered while trying to stop loggers from cutting down protected trees. Not sure if that's what they mean.
- nonamechicken 9y ago
  Wikipedia page of Brazil Nuts tree says this: In Brazil, it is illegal to cut down a Brazil nut tree. As a result, they can be found outside production areas, in the backyards of homes and near roads and streets. The fruit containing nuts are very heavy and rigid, and they pose a serious threat to vehicles and people passing under the tree. Brazil nuts sink in fresh water, which can cause clogging of waterways in riparian areas.
- nonamechicken 9y ago
  Wikipedia page for Brazil Nuts tree says this: In Brazil, it is illegal to cut down a Brazil nut tree. As a result, they can be found outside production areas, in the backyards of homes and near roads and streets. The fruit containing nuts are very heavy and rigid, and they pose a serious threat to vehicles and people passing under the tree. Brazil nuts sink in fresh water, which can cause clogging of waterways in riparian areas.
- marcosdumay 9y ago
  Trees fall. When you can't cut down trees that grow on cities or near rural houses, trees fall on people.
  - 9y ago

stcredzero 9y ago

I wish/hope there is something similar in India :-) Be careful what you wish for. If you can do something sneaky with biological tech for justice, others can do bad things with it too. When I saw the headline with "drone" in it, I immediately imagined an evil plot where some organization genetically engineers a plant to produce pollen with a tailored allergenic effect on one particular ethnic group, then seeds a particular area with it. What's more, they slowly ramp up the level of allergenic effect over the space of a decade, so that the effect looks natural. This will probably be within the reach of billionaires and smaller governments in a decade.

samstave 9y ago
Wow... I am amazed that this is where you "immediately" thought to go... What I thought about was drone-bombing marijuana on all private residences and public buildings of government. Imagine seeding the whitehouse lawn with pot!
- smt88 9y ago
  Naturally growing marijuana is common in the US. It's possible there's "ditch weed" growing all over DC. (And no, you can't use it to get high.) More: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3tz1ym/does_marijuana_grow_naturally_in_the_woods_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3tz1ym/does_mari...
- civilian 9y ago
  I'm pretty sure that you don't want to violate the white house air space. :-O However, I'm sure there are a lot of soft targets, and this is a genius idea. Does the DEA have some nice lawns? Maybe state capitols?
- beat 9y ago
  Back in my carefree days of youth, I would save the seeds from all the pot I smoked, sprout them in wet paper towels, and plant the sprouts in poorly-maintained landscaping around government buildings. It grows quickly, so it was always amusing to see a couple of obvious marijuana plants springing up by the shrubs and juniper bushes.