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This is really data from bootcamp grads (the top of the spreadsheet says so).
by dopamean 9y ago
This is really data from bootcamp grads (the top of the spreadsheet says so).
- ben174 9y agoThis is an important distinction. The salaries on this sheet seem low overall, and it's probably because they're new grads from bootcamp. Someone with 10+ years of experience should be demanding more than the average salary on this list.
- seanhandley 9y agoYou're kidding me. I'm in the UK, 10 years dev experience, BSc Computer Science. Every single salary in that list is higher than mine.
- chambo622 9y agoBased on talking to peers at my company who work in the UK, and corroborating stories from friends at similar companies, UK salaries are dramatically lower across the board.
- user5994461 9y agoA one bedroom is not $3000+ either.
- djmobley 9y agoA one bedroom in London is easily $2000 though, so that only explains $12k difference in salary.
- user5994461 9y agoDoesn't make sense to count in dollars. You are not paid in dollars in London. It's fluff talk about the exchange rate. It sure was more than $2000 last year when it was £1 for $1.5.
- seanmcdirmid 9y agoLondon, Cambridge...rents aren't low.
- sonthonax 9y agoThey very easily are. And cost per square foot is higher in London, so you're in a smaller place.
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- Keats 9y agoYou can replace "UK" by "the rest of the world" and it would still be accurate. For example, UK has probably the highest salaries in Europe.
- kevinrpope 9y agoWhen I lived in London in the late 2000s, dev salaries were shockingly low relative to what we saw in the states both before and after living in the UK.
- em500 9y agoAnd most of the rest of Europe is lower than London still.
- ktu100 9y agoanecdotal evidence from Facebook: if you transfer to London office instead of Bay Area, your salary gets slashed 20%
- bencoder 9y agoThat would still be very high for London/uk
- mixmastamyk 9y agoWow, and it's not like London is cheap.
- ninjaroar 9y agois that after conversion? e.g.: 200k USD would equal (200 * 0.79 USD/GBP * 0.8) = 126k GBP? I wonder if it is because salaries were set before the pound plummetted due to brexit. For most companies, you at least get more vacation days in London, but i think facebook US already provides 21 business days, I would imagine facebook UK is the standard 5 weeks?
- jwarren 9y agoSimilar... and by quite a margin too. This is very sobering.
- stingrae 9y agoHonestly, looking at the list and knowing how much people get paid at Google.(from personal experience) I found the salaries to be quite low in total compensation.
- dsacco 9y agoI know fresh grads in the NYC area who have been offered $130k/year in total compensation from Google and Facebook. I've also known several engineers at Google making in the range of $300k-$500k/year. There's going to be self-reporting bias here, but these salaries look right to me for bootcamp grads getting offers from the big tech companies.
- muro 9y agoas a starter offer? They have a wide range in the spreadsheet, but still overall high.
- dsacco 9y ago> You're kidding me. > I'm in the UK That's why. This list is very US-centric. The disparity between metro US and metro UK is indeed that high.
- itburnslikeice 9y agoUK plus every other EU country, no matter the education/experience you have there are limits that never reach even the lowest of those listed in linked spreadsheets. People say it's the balance between the cost of living and work,work hours, job security etc etc I say it's bs I couldn't care less if it were to work 65h/week and my savings grew. I don't even want to mention the impression that working for X company makes in someone's resume that will guarantee an nice paying position somewhere. My personal opinion is that every company in Europe/UK is total shit when it comes to money, they won't care about the passion that new developers bring with them. I want to say the investors are not here but in America but I don't want to lie to myself anymore.
- rajeshp1986 9y agoAs an engineer who moved to US from India, I feel I am at loss while negotiating salary as I don't have a clear idea on how much people really make. I wish there could be a way to determine how much salary you should negotiate.
- ben174 9y agohttp://h1bdata.info http://h1bdata.info That's a public listing of all H1B salaries, should be all the information you need.
- BigChiefSmokem 9y agoThe CS degree column seems to confirm that as well. More proof that you don't need to hand over a small fortune to some college to succeed at what we do on a day to day basis. The industry should have a better indicator of who is a "front-line" developer and who is actually what I consider a computer scientist who is at the forefront of research and development in the field (and should be making a lot more salary/income).
- learc83 9y agoNot a lot of people going to dev bootcamps with CS degrees. Also look at these company names. It would take competent, trained developer 12 weeks just to study for the google interview. There is no way someone goes from, not a programmer, to passing Google interviews in 12 weeks. Either this boot camp is very selective in who they admit, or they are very selective in which salaries they show.
- ThrustVectoring 9y ago"Not a programmer" covers a very wide range of folks, some of which are the ideal candidate for bootcamps - people with a vague technical background who aren't employed at a comparable salary. Like, it covers former lawyers, electrical engineering dropouts, non-STEM research-based Masters degree, and current CS majors who want to cut to the chase. So basically, yeah, bootcamps are selective. People who are 90% of the way to being a programmer can get the last 10% in twelve weeks. The average individual won't get accepted and won't make it through.
- morgtheborg 9y agoOr they did their 12 weeks and then studied on their own time.
- vhgs 9y agoIt's not like they finish the program and walk into a Google interview the next day, you know. App Academy students won't normally even be working on that kind of stuff until after the course proper has ended.
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