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iPad Pro

269 points by madmax108 9y ago

deepGem 9y ago
Did anyone notice any mention of Apple's new File system in iOS 11 for the iPad Pro ? I stepped out of the keynote for 5 mins and probably missed the announcement. Apple homepage isn't updated with the new model details yet.
- guywithabike 9y ago
  APFS is already out in the latest versions of iOS 10.
- zepto 9y ago
  The new file system is already in place and in use on all iPads running the current iOS 10.
enlightenedfool 9y ago
Felt I saw somewhere. Felt like MS Surface Pro. Good job MS. You've come a long way.
- problems 9y ago
  Surface Pro will slaughter this thing too as it runs a full desktop OS and an Intel chip.
  - usaphp 9y ago
    Well the downside of it is that you can use iPad pro without keyboard because its optimized for a touch, while with Surface pro you can't do much without a keyboard, windows is nowhere near as touch friendly as iOS. So you end up with a flimsy laptop like tablet that you can't even put on your laps without it collapsing...
    - stevecalifornia 9y ago
      You can completely use a Surface Pro without a keyboard. It has a touch screen, on-screen keyboard and a stylus. I use it frequently without a keyboard.
      - usaphp 9y ago
        You can, but it's not convenient with a bad windows touch support.
        rhodysurf 9y ago
        Windows has a tablet mode that adapts to be touch friendly. Its pretty good actually
        usaphp 9y ago
        yeah but do you need core i7 and full GPU to use a tablet mode? What can you do in tablet mode to use the specs that surface users gloat about?
        jameskegel 9y ago
        I feel like you're grasping at anything you can right now. Would you like to be more forthcoming with your opinion here without the required song and dance?
        mhermher 9y ago
        It's a textbook example of moving the goal posts.
        kartickv 9y ago
        On the contrary, usaphp is making a valid point, which is that the Surface has two modes, and that many things that work well in one mode don't work well in the other. In tablet mode, you're generally using lighter weight apps, so you don't need the full power of the device. Or, if you're using pro apps like IDEs, they're generally not touch-optimised. You can't have both at once. You can in theory, but not in practice, as every review points out.
- jkaunisv1 9y ago
  I just got a Surface and it's unsettling how nice it feels and works. Like it shouldn't be a MS product.
  - Declanomous 9y ago
    I have been using Linux as my primary OS for probably 10 years now, and I still love the Surface Pro. I bought a Surface Pro 1 the week they came out. I think the Surface lineup is one of the best lines of computers ever. I'm incredibly conflicted, because I need a new portable computer, and I love the Surface, but I do not love Microsoft.
    - z1mm32m4n 9y ago
      Is it possible to run Linux on a Surface Book? I'd really love to have the large detachable screen to read PDFs, but I'd really prefer to be able to use actual Linux as opposed to WSL Linux. Alternatively, are there any other laptops like the Surface Book (i.e., have a detachable touch screen) that work with Linux?
      - exergy 9y ago
        Yes, I run all kinds of distros; Manjaro, Xubuntu, Mint and even Fedora. Fedora is especially stable, but some fiddling is required, and personally, I cannot get stable WiFi. Others can, though, so maybe you might want to read a bit more. There is also the famous /r/surfacelinux subreddit.
      - Analemma_ 9y ago
        Here's an evergreen post with the "current status": https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/6eau79/current_state_of_surfaces/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/6eau79/curren... TL;DR: You can install and run it, but touch, pen, and the dGPU do not work, which makes it kind of pointless compared to e.g. an XPS 13.
        Declanomous 9y ago
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rb808 9y ago
Whenever I see the ipad pro I remember this cartoon about Ballmer, cracks me up every time. http://hijinksensue.com/comic/surface-tension/ http://hijinksensue.com/comic/surface-tension/
- asciimo 9y ago
  Brilliant. There's a lot going on in those three frames.
  - baq 9y ago
    especially when you look at the dates.
booleandilemma 9y ago
"If you see a stylus, they blew it." -Steve Jobs
- SmellTheGlove 9y ago
  It's not a stylus, it's a pencil. These are speed holes. They make the car go faster.
  - orbitur 9y ago
    The point was that a stylus isn't required. It still isn't required.
    - SmellTheGlove 9y ago
      I think that's spinning the comment as much as the rest of us, just in the opposite direction.
- function_seven 9y ago
  This lazy out-of-context meme needs to die https://www.quora.com/Was-Steve-Jobs-right-when-he-said-that-if-you-see-a-stylus-they-blew-it https://www.quora.com/Was-Steve-Jobs-right-when-he-said-that...
  - michaelmrose 9y ago
    This appears to be revisionist history. Jobs saw phone interfaces via stylus, noted they sucked, concluded that interacting with a handheld device with a stylus sucks on principal. You can agree or disagree but it seems nonsensical to try to add words to inject your own context to revise history to render jobs correct if you don't think the original statement as given was correct. Further that link commits the usual sin of ascribing the invention of tech that apple popularized to apple for no reason. Multitouch and gestures goes back to the 80s see https://inventhelp.com/archives/11-12/inventhelp-newsletter-november-2012/who-invented-multitouch https://inventhelp.com/archives/11-12/inventhelp-newsletter-... Quora is kind of a low value source. I would refute author on quora but they want access to read and manage my google contacts to create an account. Kind of one step up from malware I'm pretty sure they intend to use it to spam my contacts.
SmellTheGlove 9y ago
At some point I would have expected that one could develop iOS apps on the iPad Pro itself (without a computer). Not yet, apparently.
- chx 9y ago
  Never, ever. There is a vast interest in running sanctioned apps only on the iPad Pro.
- LeifCarrotson 9y ago
  That, to me, is one of the defining features of a general-purpose computer. Can I develop software for it, with it? Perhaps it might not be pleasant, if the hardware isn't very powerful - looking at 20 lines of code on a netbook screen, or waiting for the serial communication to catch up to my terminal on the embedded board - but it makes it a tool with which you can do real work. Tablets and phones don't count yet. Edit: Yes, I am aware of the SSH clients, with which you can connect to a remote server, do the development there, and download the resulting app. But the remote server is the general-like computer there, just as the PC running the terminal is not the primary machine in some embedded development.
  - scrumper 9y ago
    Pythonista comes pretty close without being "Xcode for iPad". You can develop apps using it, which can have icons on the home screen.
  - EddieRingle 9y ago
    > Tablets and phones don't count yet. You've been able to develop on Android for years now. See AIDE (http://www.android-ide.com/ http://www.android-ide.com/) and Termux (https://termux.com/ https://termux.com/), for example.
- thegayngler 9y ago
  This is the #1 thing I was hoping for.
- leggomylibro 9y ago
Unbeliever69 9y ago
I imagine Steve Jobs is turning over in his grave right about now.
dbatten 9y ago
Is it just me, or does the one on the left look weirdly skewed, like the right side is bigger than the left side? Uncharacteristic design mistake for Apple...
- heartbreak 9y ago
  It's just you.
  - dbatten 9y ago
    Really? I wonder if this is some sort of optical illusion like the dress? I can't imagine Apple releasing a skewed product photo, but I can't see anything but a trapezoid when I look at that iPad on the left...
  - a13n 9y ago
    It's not, I'm surprised you don't see it.
  - to3m 9y ago
    It's me too. Looks almost unsettling!
- bushin 9y ago
  That's isometric projection. Dribbble is full of it.
- a13n 9y ago
  Yeah totally noticed this too.
dyarosla 9y ago
What's new about this is that Apple is FINALLY listening to its power iPad users! Apple introduced a Files app that essentially works like the Finder app on Mac. Moreover it even allows you to sync with third party cloud providers besides just iCloud. Lastly, it's putting in an actual dock, multiple window layouts, easy copy paste. I think it's a real game changer and all of these are features that I've been truly looking forward to. It's almost like a turning point in my mind. It's crossed the threshold to where iOS can indeed act as a laptop/desktop replacement for a huge number of people. Also, in response to a sibling comment on this thread; I don't think it'll be too long now before we see full blown app development on iPads as well.
- SmellTheGlove 9y ago
  > Apple introduced a Files app that essentially works like the Finder app on Mac, and even allows it to now sync with third party cloud providers besides just iCloud. I think it's a real gamechanger and something I've been personally waiting on. We'll see how well it works, I suppose. Remember that Apple thought this was a dumb, backwards feature (paraphrasing) when people were asking for it years ago. > Also, in response to a sibling comment on this thread; it won't be too long now before we see full blown app development on iPads as well. What are you basing the "won't be long" sentiment on? I don't mean to get on you, but there's a lot of optimism in your post, and I'm not sure that's entirely warranted just yet. Yeah the hardware is a lot better, but it's yet to be seen if it's still just a giant iPhone from a software perspective. Of course, you may think my cynicism is unwarranted, that's fair too.
  - blazespin 9y ago
    Optimism? It's pretty obvious that Apple is going to start cannibalizing their laptops. I personally already use my ipad pro as a laptop. The file thing is neat, for sure, and I'll use it definitely (zip files, in particular) but it's not that huge for me. I'm mostly cloud based and I already have a file manager app.
    - SmellTheGlove 9y ago
ezjones 9y ago
Useless OS. Will be getting a Surface.
MikusR 9y ago
It's funny how almost all announced pencil features have been available on Galaxy Note devices for years (Apple even copied the lock-screen note feature. It seems that somebody at Apple got to use a Galaxy Note.
- iamatworknow 9y ago
  I had a Note 2, then a Note 4, then switched to iPhone, and the stylus is the only thing I miss, so if they are stealing that from the Note series, I'm totally fine with it.
city41 9y ago
I wonder what the pencil means for Wacom? It looks fantastic, and from my naive perspective looks like it'd be just as capable as a high end Wacom tablet. Any artists here who can chime in?
- killjoywashere 9y ago
  After I got an iPad pro, I bought three pencils and gave away my Wacom tablet.
  - sridca 9y ago
    Three pencils for one iPad pro?
    - brianwawok 9y ago
      One for each ear, and one for his hand.
      - geniium 9y ago
        haha
    - killjoywashere 9y ago
      I tend to forget one at home and one at the office. So I keep one in my briefcase just to be sure. I accumulated the other 2 over months. Trust me, spending $100 on a writing utensil pains me a little, but not so much it precludes doing what it takes to get the work done.
      - ianai 9y ago
        You could have lied and said you actually use two at once. I had a professor that could do that with chalk once. (His lectures were to information what costco is to groceries.) Then there's this creative technique: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R98esPRPb60/UG8k0zB1dAI/AAAAAAAADis/mNkRuRUCz0w/s1600/IMG_1927.JPG http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R98esPRPb60/UG8k0zB1dAI/AAAAAAAADi...
simplify 9y ago
What's the difference between this newer iPad pro and the original iPad pro?
- MitjaBezensek 9y ago
  10.5" screen, better screen, new chip, configurations start with more ram.
  - sprt 9y ago
    That's it?
  - technofiend 9y ago
    This was rumored to have a 10X chip, but the site says 9X. Is that accurate or did they forget to update the website?
    - briandear 9y ago
      It's a 10X -- the A10X Fusion to be exact (6-core). It also has a 12-core GPU.
      - technofiend 9y ago
        Sweet, thanks.
    - dkonofalski 9y ago
      They didn't forget. If you go to the store page, there's a message that they're updating.
JustSomeNobody 9y ago
I really wish they would have brought Files to the iPhone as well. Actually, many of the features they demoed for the iPad would be very welcome on the iPhone.
- rhodysurf 9y ago
  I think I saw the icon on one of the demo iPhones.
- jakebasile 9y ago
  Agreed. I can't find any reference to it on the iPhone. I'd also like that new dock on the iPhone. I like things to match.
- Guiltylemon 9y ago
  I have the iOS 11 beta on my iPhone and the Files app is definitely here and working as expected.
  - JustSomeNobody 9y ago
    I have searched all day[0] for evidence of it and didn't see anything. I am very glad you came in and said it is there. That is so good to know. [0] Well, during meetings...
- chillacy 9y ago
  I've been using Documents by Readdle, which was basically Files for the iphone. But I have a feeling they just got sherlocked.
  - kristofferR 9y ago
    Documents is awesome. They introduced drag and drop functionality between their apps just a few weeks ago too: https://blog.readdle.com/drag-drop-between-readdle-apps-fd079c756b23 https://blog.readdle.com/drag-drop-between-readdle-apps-fd07...
singularity2001 9y ago
At second 47 in the film[0] he is trying to draw a circle and instead gets this very angular polygon: [1] http://imgur.com/a/J91OZ http://imgur.com/a/J91OZ [0] https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ Is that really the best that state of the art can do?
- obsurveyor 9y ago
  The 12.9" iPad Pro + Pencil + 60hz app works very well with no behavior like that. My guess is that it's a beta iOS issue because there seems to be a lot of churn with major iOS versions when it comes to the pencil. Apps usually have to do some kind of update to address whatever Apple has done each time around.
- simonh 9y ago
  That's not a circle. It's just a loop to highlight something. Mine on paper often come out wonky like that too.
Stanleyc23 9y ago
Still waiting for xcode on iOS
- blazespin 9y ago
  Yeah, no kidding. "iPad Pro" and I can't even design iOS Apps? Please.
  - scotu 9y ago
    there are lots of kinds of pros, not only sw dev, you know. Then again, I'm a sw dev and I'd like to develop software on it, so maybe one day
- deleted 9y ago
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ChuckMcM 9y ago
Interesting that the Ars coverage (https://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/06/apple-introduces-a-redesigned-10-5-inch-ipad-pro/ https://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/06/apple-introduces-a-red...) is the new hotness but the Apple web site is the 'old' iPad Pro.
- ChuckMcM 9y ago
  ... and after a couple of cdn cache flushes its up with the latest and greatest.
kgabis 9y ago
I wonder where iPad line will be in few years. Personally I don't see a reason to use an iPad over my macbook, but if this trend continues, then it might be a reasonable pc replacement for most users.
- scholia 9y ago
  iPad sales are down by half (in unit terms) compared with its peak. Android tablet sales are down as well. From his previous remarks (Why would you buy a PC? etc), Tim Cook seems to want everyone to move to iOS, and the neglect of the Mac line seems to support that idea. But he's yet to show he can move the market in that direction....
  - scholia 9y ago
    Apple posted its first full-year iPad sales dip in fiscal 2014. Unit sales slipped 4% that year, while revenue fell 5%. The sales declines accelerated thereafter. In fiscal 2015, unit sales plunged 19% and revenue dropped by 23%. In fiscal 2016, unit sales fell another 17%, while revenue tumbled 11%. Double-digit declines along both metrics continued in the first quarter of fiscal 2017. The net result is that Apple shipped just 42.6 million iPads during the 2016 calendar year, down about 40% from the peak a few years ago. https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/02/19/is-the-ipad-dead.aspx https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/02/19/is-the-ipad-dead.a... Apple Quietly Acknowledges the iPad’s Staggering Decline http://fortune.com/2017/03/21/apple-ipad-decline/ http://fortune.com/2017/03/21/apple-ipad-decline/ It's been two and a half years of decline – tablets aren't coming back https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/05/tablets_arent_coming_back/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/05/tablets_arent_comin... In an interview with The Telegraph, Cook said, "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?" He continued: "Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones." http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-ceo-tim-cook-why-would-you-buy-a-pc-anymore-2015-11?r=UK&IR=T http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-ceo-tim-cook-why-would-y... Has Apple lost interest in the Mac? http://macdailynews.com/2016/09/11/has-apple-lost-interest-in-the-mac/ http://macdailynews.com/2016/09/11/has-apple-lost-interest-i... Has Apple Lost Interest in the Mac? http://www.kirkville.com/has-apple-lost-interest-in-the-mac/ http://www.kirkville.com/has-apple-lost-interest-in-the-mac/
dchuk 9y ago
The thing that I hung onto during this part of the Keynote was that I have never seen anyone use an iPad laying flat on a table like that. Not only ergonomically that's bad (for your neck) most of the time I'm using mine on one knee kicking back on the couch or in bed. A lot of the gestures they showed for multitasking require multiple fingers on both hands, so you can't also be holding the device. I suppose with it propped up via a kickstand it might work fine, it just looked awkward to me to be fully flat like that. I also don't draw on an iPad so maybe I'm just not the target user for that orientation.
- scrumper 9y ago
  I use my 12" iPad Pro flat a lot, mostly for taking notes in meetings using the pencil or drawing diagrams. It's no different to using pen and paper in terms of neck angles and the like. I do find myself using the pencil for stuff you'd do with a finger (clicking buttons etc.) as well as writing/drawing though, maybe in subconscious deference to those ergonomic issues.
maxxxxx 9y ago
Is there way to do a dual screen setup with this?
- JBiserkov 9y ago
  You mean like a Surface Pro? No, I don't think so.
- pesto88 9y ago
  If you're using a macbook, check out the app astropad. It was a bit laggy with a macbook air though.
- 4ad 9y ago
  As an additional screen to a mac, yes, there are severals apps for that, however they all require 3rd party kernel drivers on the mac so they will most likely break on major updates and they will probably be discontinued at some point. They work reasonably well for web browsing and development, but I would not use them for photo or video stuff.
acomjean 9y ago
I'm skeptical about the tablet. I went on a trip last week and left my workhorse macbook pro at home for the first time on a trip and brought my iPad mini. It just isn't that useful for dealing with photos taken with a separate camera. It was nice for browsing the web but that was pretty much it. I couldn't work on my learning new graphical js on my downtime, not beat making (ableton). The iphone was great on the trip while on the go. It just doesn't feel like a creative device. Even though the pencil is amazing, I just don't see it.
- iamatworknow 9y ago
  >It just isn't that useful for dealing with photos taken with a separate camera. I recently went on a trip with no laptop -- only my "real" camera, my iPhone, and a Western Digital MyPassport Wireless Pro: https://www.wdc.com/products/portable-storage/my-passport-wireless-pro.html https://www.wdc.com/products/portable-storage/my-passport-wi... It worked out surprisingly well. I mainly bought the MyPassport for the extra storage space so I didn't have to bring a million SD cards, but it also worked well as a backup battery pack for the phone, and for transferring a few of those images to the phone for immediate access. Admittedly, I shot in RAW + JPEG and the app only recognizes the JPEGs (from what I could tell quickly) but it was good enough for the few photos I wanted to share right away after taking them. I don't have an iPad but I've been considering one just for photo editing with the pencil. I hear Lightroom on iPads is getting better, and I just got an e-mail today about Affinity Photo being released for iPad. But yeah, consider the WD MyPassport if transferring/storing photos without a true laptop was a problem.
  - cynicalbastard 9y ago
    consider getting the cable that connects iphone to camera. it's $30 but pretty useful. you can transfer/edit on phone, and upload directly to its permanent home in cloud storage. probably won't work for a professional but is fine for photo hobbyists. it's nice not having a laptop or an external drive in your camera bag.
    - iamatworknow 9y ago
williamstein 9y ago
They have deprecated the whole idea of RAM as a spec. At https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/ https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/, they only list "capacity" (of 64GB, 256GB, 512GB), and have no mention of RAM anywhere. Interesting. I guess they are viewing RAM versus persistent flash memory as just another level of tiering/caching, and believe their swap is so good that it all blends together.
- sandyarmstrong 9y ago
  This has been the case for several years now on iPad spec pages.
- stcredzero 9y ago
  I guess they are viewing RAM versus persistent flash memory as just another level of tiering/caching, and believe their swap is so good that it all blends together. I think this is the correct long-term view, as persistent solid state memory gets better and cheaper. The old 20th century memory hierarchy, with nothing between RAM and spinning platter hard drives should fade into the past. As technology changes, this is sure to be an obsolete model of the world that no longer fits.
  - photojosh 9y ago
    iOS doesn't do "traditional" swap though. Once memory runs low, apps will be warned and may be booted out to free some up. It's up to the apps to then persist their state to the solid-state storage.
- mwexler 9y ago
  And yet, a short period of working with some large apps shows that, in fact, it isn't quite so good at all: from Safari pages refreshing to apps "paging in", the lack of ram is clearly present once one starts really working with iOS devices. I look forward to the new device showing a new day... but I'm not holding my breath.
  - ianai 9y ago
sleeplesss 9y ago
Apple is trying to made ipad become a laptop by adding keyboard, pen, upgrading iOS (files app, drop-n-drag). It is funny because most people will go to work with a Mac/PC. Why should Apple try to make iPad become a Pc? It is so late because Microsoft has Surface pro which runs windows long time ago. It is funny to see Apple adding file app, drag-n-drop features as improvements.
- seppin 9y ago
  > It is so late because Microsoft has Surface pro which runs windows long time ago. Which is why the market is still wide open.
  - seanp2k2 9y ago
    Ah, 2005 and the days of WinCE, with a start menu on the HTC Apache. How we've progressed.
- thegayngler 9y ago
  I actually think its a better approach than try to tack on two OSes to one piece of hardware.
  - scholia 9y ago
    Lots of us really like the 2-in-1 concept and find it incredibly useful. Last time I bought a non-touch laptop, I quickly realized my mistake and took it back for a touch-screen model. Otherwise, the long-term plan is to transition between the old Win32 API and the new Windows Runtime (which are both part of the same OS). The transition to the UWP isn't going very well at the moment, of course, but Microsoft didn't know how it would go when it started. However, it's a long-term play so ask me again in 10 years. If Microsoft hadn't made the move then it would clearly be a legacy OS. As it is, Windows 10 is a cloud-integrated, continuously-updated mobile OS with sandboxed apps maintained from an app store, just like iOS and Android. It just has rather too much of the old stuff hanging around as well...
- lawkwok 9y ago
martijn_himself 9y ago
I'm really interested in this, but at roughly £950 for the 256GB model including keyboard and pencil, can I use it for full time web development?
- BinaryIdiot 9y ago
  Not really. I mean unless I've missed an app or two basically every app that can be used for web development is just absolutely dreadful and the git support terrible since it's not installed and used system-wide (it has to be fully embedded within the app itself). If someone has a positive experience doing on an iPad I'd love to hear about it because while I would rarely do it it would be nice to be able to quickly change something when I'm on the go. But in my experience so far it's no good.
  - jaegerpicker 9y ago
    I use prompt to ssh into a remote server and that's my preferred method. If I need to be local to the device I'll use working copy (Great git app!) and coda to work locally. I'm more of a command line driven dev so I like the first option but the second is good also.
- jaegerpicker 9y ago
  I use my iPad Pro for development ALL the time. Two ways I get it done: 1. ssh into a remote vm in the cloud and use that. Emacs (or vim if you are that kind of person ;) ), tmux, and zsh shell are all I really need. 2. Use Coda or another on device editor. This one is a little harder as it's not quite as good as you desktop editors like VS.Code or Atom. That said I do it often and enjoy the experience.
  - martijn_himself 9y ago
    I'd love to try this out. How do you find the Smart Keyboard with prolonged use? EDIT: do you use this as your primary device or alongside a MacBook?
chx 9y ago
This will steer more users from a platform where you can run whatever you want (macOS) to a platform where you can run whatever Apple lets you (iOS). If it's not self evident why this is bad then -- as I did with the recent Windows S, Amiga X5000 announcements -- let me dig up my seven year old blog post trying to explain why this is very bad http://drupal4hu.com/future/freedom http://drupal4hu.com/future/freedom And no, this is not an "Apple is evil" rant, it's simply they are making more money this way.
kendallpark 9y ago
The file manager is better late than never. My real question is what will text editing look like? The lack of a cursor on iPad makes something like programming or writing on the iPad insanely frustrating. Have you ever tried selecting a precise amount of text with your finger?
- kiliankoe 9y ago
  Moving the cursor via a two-finger-swipe on the keyboard works surprisingly well. On the iPhone you can use this gesture (3D touch the keyboard) to also select text when pressing harder.
- shaunparker 9y ago
  On the iPad you can drag two fingers over the keyboard to move the cursor around. When you have text selected, two finger dragging on the top half moves the left side of the selection and the bottom the opposite. It's a very useful gesture.
- e28eta 9y ago
  Agree with siblings about two finger drag to move cursor around. Additionally, I really enjoy the apple keyboard case for my iPad Pro. Real arrow keys, along with option, command, and shift modifiers are how I select text on the Mac, and it works identically on iPad.
- kendallpark 9y ago
  Thank you to everyone! I will give this a try.
hobarrera 9y ago
Looks like the iOS 11 site it totally broken though: https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-11-preview/ https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-11-preview/ The images make little sense. And then I got to the point where paragraphs referenced photo animations and the images were still, and realized they probably wanted to make some fancy animation that's not working on firefox. I tried on chromium, and then on Safari on my iPhone. Same results. Not sure if they screwed up or what, but even the "Live Photos" images are stills that make no sense.
- eridius 9y ago
  Looks perfectly fine on Safari for macOS as well as Safari for iPhone. Maybe you just have a crap internet connection and can't download the video animations?
  - hobarrera 9y ago
    I don't have access to any machines with macOS, but I tried: * Firefox on Linux * Chromium on Linux * Firefox on iOS * Safari on iOS I didn't work on any yesterday. It works on Firefox today. They probably fixed it at some point since my initial comment.
artursapek 9y ago
"It's lit." I love Apple trying to relate to young people
- dmix 9y ago
  Oh no, they didn't say this did they? I recently saw Ken Bone tweet "Savage" in a serious context. It's funny how fast 'youth'/'urban' culture is being swallowed up by mainstream typically out-of-touch demographics. But I guess it's all part of this obsession with authenticity recently. This puts a lot of pressure on the youth to adapt quickly and develop new slang. Not sure I feel comfortable with this development though. I'd rather be okay with big corporate marketing firms not being lame by using old slang, focusing on interesting but neutral copy, rather than them constantly keeping up with the latest slang and memes to seem in touch with 'millennials'. They should know how defeating this feels to people 'in the know' aka people who pioneer what is cool.
  - artursapek 9y ago
    It's in the fake text message conversation, with the break-dancing fellow.
toomanybeersies 9y ago
A shame to see there's no update to the iPad mini. For casual users, it's not so useful any more, with the larger iPhones of today, but it's very useful for professional and business use in cases where space/size is a constraint, and an iPhone isn't warranted. The app we develop has quite a few users on iPad minis. Apart from the fact that it's only for iPad, I don't think we would get many users moving to using an iPhone, firstly because of cost, and secondly because it's just a bit too small.
- r00fus 9y ago
  It's completely useful for casual users - my mom can't lift the iPad Air2 but a mini is quite usable for her. It's too bad that for Apple, form factor (i.e., size) is tied to premium status. Maybe in 6-12mo they'll release an iPad 2017 mini version?
- Eric_WVGG 9y ago
  I'm dying for a Mini with Pencil support. I want a digital Moleskine. If "iPads seen in the wild" are anything to go by, they're still the best-selling model, too. My best guess is that the usability gurus have decided that it's just no good for "getting work done," and they're willing to sacrifice some sales to get more professional traction.
  - ianai 9y ago
    They really are a great size. Pretty much the portability of an iPhone with plenty of screen. But since it's not my phone I don't have to take it everywhere.
- tbihl 9y ago
  The iPad mini is the perfect indoor reading device. That's a pretty casual use case.
chj 9y ago
Without a sharing file system,you are forced to implement file syncing in almost every productivity app. It is madness.
rebootthesystem 9y ago
Still no multiuser capabilities. Truly disappointing. Not upgrading. Not interested.
mitchell_h 9y ago
To me this doesn't look like iPad taking on the surface so much as ipad taking on the surface and Chromebooks.
myrandomcomment 9y ago
I have a the 12" with a pen since it came out. Really wanted to use it for taking notes, but then I remember my handwriting is complete chicken scratch. It did find a nice place as a tool for doing wireframes of the UI for my current startup for PLM. Also I will say I have gotten used to the split screen. It is nice to watch a video and also open the web browser or email. Looks like IOS 11 makes this even better. The iPad was not a replacement for my MacBook Pro. Speaking of which, 16GB on MacBooks now. Going to order one ASAP. I travel so weight and size is the most important thing (besides the fact I need 16GB). At home or work I just jack into the thunderbolt port for monitor, keyboard, mouse and network.
sundvor 9y ago
Model numbers please(!). I know there already was an iPad Pro, and now there's another iPad Pro. Is this the iPad PRO version 11 then (to correspond with the IOS version it was released for), or iPad PRO version 2017 (the year it was released)? Or is it version 2 or 3? Microsoft appears to be doing the same thing with their Surface Pro, so it's not just Apple. Look at Lenovo's site, e.g. for an X1 Carbon, and it tells you we're now on Gen 5. Thank you, Lenovo. And Dell doesn't try to hide that their latest XPS 15 is the 9560. Thank you, Dell.
- ianai 9y ago
  I think they do fine with simple year numbers. The silly "air" and "pro" monikers seem to be confusing them. They seem to want to sunset the "air" qualifier, but they just refreshed it's CPU. I wish they would move back to a standard hardware set. Have their ultrabooks named one thing and keep them up to date. Do the same for the pro and desktop lines.
  - kalleboo 9y ago
    The problem with displaying year numbers is that it becomes an embarrassment when they let a product languish for oh...3 years or so
    - sundvor 9y ago
      On the flip side, maybe they wouldn't let that happen again, then. :D
- Hasknewbie 9y ago
  I sometimes wonder if they do this to mess with the second-hand market and third-party tech support.
  - sundvor 9y ago
    The net effect of the generic non-versioned "ipad" naming is to make me feel a bit dumb. I can recite spec changes between Samsung Galaxy models, and keep close track on aforementioned Dell and Lenovo products, but for the iPads I just draw a blank. I don't know. I bought an iPad (Air?) a few years ago for my son. It may have been in September 2014; it's one of the slim ones (perhaps "2nd generation slim"??), and it looks pretty much the same as the newer ones. I struggle to tell the difference between them; as long as it works I really don't feel an incentive to upgrade it. (Protip: The thick child iPad cases are just about bulletproof).
digi_owl 9y ago
Heh, i give them a year or two before they retire the imac range completely.
atroll 9y ago
no thanks
atroll 9y ago
no thanks
gdubs 9y ago
To balance out the negativity here's my anecdotal input - the iPad Pro has had more impact on my creativity than any device I can remember, and it's almost entirely due to the pencil and how it's brought drawing back into my life. That's not even counting it's usefulness for music making, etc. I've never seen it as a replacement for desktop software - it's a different class with different user behaviors. I'm generally bullish on the form factor over the long term, and see no reason why it needs to be a zero sum game between tablet and desktop.

269 points by madmax108 9y ago

Did anyone notice any mention of Apple's new File system in iOS 11 for the iPad Pro ? I stepped out of the keynote for 5 mins and probably missed the announcement. Apple homepage isn't updated with the new model details yet.

guywithabike 9y ago
APFS is already out in the latest versions of iOS 10.
zepto 9y ago
The new file system is already in place and in use on all iPads running the current iOS 10.

enlightenedfool 9y ago

Felt I saw somewhere. Felt like MS Surface Pro. Good job MS. You've come a long way.

problems 9y ago
Surface Pro will slaughter this thing too as it runs a full desktop OS and an Intel chip.
- usaphp 9y ago
  Well the downside of it is that you can use iPad pro without keyboard because its optimized for a touch, while with Surface pro you can't do much without a keyboard, windows is nowhere near as touch friendly as iOS. So you end up with a flimsy laptop like tablet that you can't even put on your laps without it collapsing...
  - stevecalifornia 9y ago
    You can completely use a Surface Pro without a keyboard. It has a touch screen, on-screen keyboard and a stylus. I use it frequently without a keyboard.
    - usaphp 9y ago
      You can, but it's not convenient with a bad windows touch support.
      - rhodysurf 9y ago
        Windows has a tablet mode that adapts to be touch friendly. Its pretty good actually
        usaphp 9y ago
        yeah but do you need core i7 and full GPU to use a tablet mode? What can you do in tablet mode to use the specs that surface users gloat about?
        jameskegel 9y ago
        I feel like you're grasping at anything you can right now. Would you like to be more forthcoming with your opinion here without the required song and dance?
        mhermher 9y ago
        It's a textbook example of moving the goal posts.
        kartickv 9y ago
        On the contrary, usaphp is making a valid point, which is that the Surface has two modes, and that many things that work well in one mode don't work well in the other. In tablet mode, you're generally using lighter weight apps, so you don't need the full power of the device. Or, if you're using pro apps like IDEs, they're generally not touch-optimised. You can't have both at once. You can in theory, but not in practice, as every review points out.
jkaunisv1 9y ago
I just got a Surface and it's unsettling how nice it feels and works. Like it shouldn't be a MS product.
- Declanomous 9y ago
  I have been using Linux as my primary OS for probably 10 years now, and I still love the Surface Pro. I bought a Surface Pro 1 the week they came out. I think the Surface lineup is one of the best lines of computers ever. I'm incredibly conflicted, because I need a new portable computer, and I love the Surface, but I do not love Microsoft.
  - z1mm32m4n 9y ago
    Is it possible to run Linux on a Surface Book? I'd really love to have the large detachable screen to read PDFs, but I'd really prefer to be able to use actual Linux as opposed to WSL Linux. Alternatively, are there any other laptops like the Surface Book (i.e., have a detachable touch screen) that work with Linux?
    - exergy 9y ago
      Yes, I run all kinds of distros; Manjaro, Xubuntu, Mint and even Fedora. Fedora is especially stable, but some fiddling is required, and personally, I cannot get stable WiFi. Others can, though, so maybe you might want to read a bit more. There is also the famous /r/surfacelinux subreddit.
    - Analemma_ 9y ago
      Here's an evergreen post with the "current status": https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/6eau79/current_state_of_surfaces/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/6eau79/curren... TL;DR: You can install and run it, but touch, pen, and the dGPU do not work, which makes it kind of pointless compared to e.g. an XPS 13.
      - Declanomous 9y ago

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rb808 9y ago

Whenever I see the ipad pro I remember this cartoon about Ballmer, cracks me up every time. http://hijinksensue.com/comic/surface-tension/ http://hijinksensue.com/comic/surface-tension/

asciimo 9y ago
Brilliant. There's a lot going on in those three frames.
- baq 9y ago
  especially when you look at the dates.

booleandilemma 9y ago

"If you see a stylus, they blew it." -Steve Jobs

SmellTheGlove 9y ago
It's not a stylus, it's a pencil. These are speed holes. They make the car go faster.
- orbitur 9y ago
  The point was that a stylus isn't required. It still isn't required.
  - SmellTheGlove 9y ago
    I think that's spinning the comment as much as the rest of us, just in the opposite direction.
function_seven 9y ago
This lazy out-of-context meme needs to die https://www.quora.com/Was-Steve-Jobs-right-when-he-said-that-if-you-see-a-stylus-they-blew-it https://www.quora.com/Was-Steve-Jobs-right-when-he-said-that...
- michaelmrose 9y ago
  This appears to be revisionist history. Jobs saw phone interfaces via stylus, noted they sucked, concluded that interacting with a handheld device with a stylus sucks on principal. You can agree or disagree but it seems nonsensical to try to add words to inject your own context to revise history to render jobs correct if you don't think the original statement as given was correct. Further that link commits the usual sin of ascribing the invention of tech that apple popularized to apple for no reason. Multitouch and gestures goes back to the 80s see https://inventhelp.com/archives/11-12/inventhelp-newsletter-november-2012/who-invented-multitouch https://inventhelp.com/archives/11-12/inventhelp-newsletter-... Quora is kind of a low value source. I would refute author on quora but they want access to read and manage my google contacts to create an account. Kind of one step up from malware I'm pretty sure they intend to use it to spam my contacts.

SmellTheGlove 9y ago

At some point I would have expected that one could develop iOS apps on the iPad Pro itself (without a computer). Not yet, apparently.

chx 9y ago
Never, ever. There is a vast interest in running sanctioned apps only on the iPad Pro.
LeifCarrotson 9y ago
That, to me, is one of the defining features of a general-purpose computer. Can I develop software for it, with it? Perhaps it might not be pleasant, if the hardware isn't very powerful - looking at 20 lines of code on a netbook screen, or waiting for the serial communication to catch up to my terminal on the embedded board - but it makes it a tool with which you can do real work. Tablets and phones don't count yet. Edit: Yes, I am aware of the SSH clients, with which you can connect to a remote server, do the development there, and download the resulting app. But the remote server is the general-like computer there, just as the PC running the terminal is not the primary machine in some embedded development.
- scrumper 9y ago
  Pythonista comes pretty close without being "Xcode for iPad". You can develop apps using it, which can have icons on the home screen.
- EddieRingle 9y ago
  > Tablets and phones don't count yet. You've been able to develop on Android for years now. See AIDE (http://www.android-ide.com/ http://www.android-ide.com/) and Termux (https://termux.com/ https://termux.com/), for example.
thegayngler 9y ago
This is the #1 thing I was hoping for.
leggomylibro 9y ago

Unbeliever69 9y ago

I imagine Steve Jobs is turning over in his grave right about now.

dbatten 9y ago

Is it just me, or does the one on the left look weirdly skewed, like the right side is bigger than the left side? Uncharacteristic design mistake for Apple...

heartbreak 9y ago
It's just you.
- dbatten 9y ago
  Really? I wonder if this is some sort of optical illusion like the dress? I can't imagine Apple releasing a skewed product photo, but I can't see anything but a trapezoid when I look at that iPad on the left...
- a13n 9y ago
  It's not, I'm surprised you don't see it.
- to3m 9y ago
  It's me too. Looks almost unsettling!
bushin 9y ago
That's isometric projection. Dribbble is full of it.
a13n 9y ago
Yeah totally noticed this too.

dyarosla 9y ago

What's new about this is that Apple is FINALLY listening to its power iPad users! Apple introduced a Files app that essentially works like the Finder app on Mac. Moreover it even allows you to sync with third party cloud providers besides just iCloud. Lastly, it's putting in an actual dock, multiple window layouts, easy copy paste. I think it's a real game changer and all of these are features that I've been truly looking forward to. It's almost like a turning point in my mind. It's crossed the threshold to where iOS can indeed act as a laptop/desktop replacement for a huge number of people. Also, in response to a sibling comment on this thread; I don't think it'll be too long now before we see full blown app development on iPads as well.

SmellTheGlove 9y ago
> Apple introduced a Files app that essentially works like the Finder app on Mac, and even allows it to now sync with third party cloud providers besides just iCloud. I think it's a real gamechanger and something I've been personally waiting on. We'll see how well it works, I suppose. Remember that Apple thought this was a dumb, backwards feature (paraphrasing) when people were asking for it years ago. > Also, in response to a sibling comment on this thread; it won't be too long now before we see full blown app development on iPads as well. What are you basing the "won't be long" sentiment on? I don't mean to get on you, but there's a lot of optimism in your post, and I'm not sure that's entirely warranted just yet. Yeah the hardware is a lot better, but it's yet to be seen if it's still just a giant iPhone from a software perspective. Of course, you may think my cynicism is unwarranted, that's fair too.
- blazespin 9y ago
  Optimism? It's pretty obvious that Apple is going to start cannibalizing their laptops. I personally already use my ipad pro as a laptop. The file thing is neat, for sure, and I'll use it definitely (zip files, in particular) but it's not that huge for me. I'm mostly cloud based and I already have a file manager app.
  - SmellTheGlove 9y ago

ezjones 9y ago

Useless OS. Will be getting a Surface.

MikusR 9y ago

It's funny how almost all announced pencil features have been available on Galaxy Note devices for years (Apple even copied the lock-screen note feature. It seems that somebody at Apple got to use a Galaxy Note.

iamatworknow 9y ago
I had a Note 2, then a Note 4, then switched to iPhone, and the stylus is the only thing I miss, so if they are stealing that from the Note series, I'm totally fine with it.

city41 9y ago

I wonder what the pencil means for Wacom? It looks fantastic, and from my naive perspective looks like it'd be just as capable as a high end Wacom tablet. Any artists here who can chime in?

killjoywashere 9y ago
After I got an iPad pro, I bought three pencils and gave away my Wacom tablet.
- sridca 9y ago
  Three pencils for one iPad pro?
  - brianwawok 9y ago
    One for each ear, and one for his hand.
    - geniium 9y ago
      haha
  - killjoywashere 9y ago
    I tend to forget one at home and one at the office. So I keep one in my briefcase just to be sure. I accumulated the other 2 over months. Trust me, spending $100 on a writing utensil pains me a little, but not so much it precludes doing what it takes to get the work done.
    - ianai 9y ago
      You could have lied and said you actually use two at once. I had a professor that could do that with chalk once. (His lectures were to information what costco is to groceries.) Then there's this creative technique: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R98esPRPb60/UG8k0zB1dAI/AAAAAAAADis/mNkRuRUCz0w/s1600/IMG_1927.JPG http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R98esPRPb60/UG8k0zB1dAI/AAAAAAAADi...

simplify 9y ago

What's the difference between this newer iPad pro and the original iPad pro?

MitjaBezensek 9y ago
10.5" screen, better screen, new chip, configurations start with more ram.
- sprt 9y ago
  That's it?
- technofiend 9y ago
  This was rumored to have a 10X chip, but the site says 9X. Is that accurate or did they forget to update the website?
  - briandear 9y ago
    It's a 10X -- the A10X Fusion to be exact (6-core). It also has a 12-core GPU.
    - technofiend 9y ago
      Sweet, thanks.
  - dkonofalski 9y ago
    They didn't forget. If you go to the store page, there's a message that they're updating.

JustSomeNobody 9y ago

I really wish they would have brought Files to the iPhone as well. Actually, many of the features they demoed for the iPad would be very welcome on the iPhone.

rhodysurf 9y ago
I think I saw the icon on one of the demo iPhones.
jakebasile 9y ago
Agreed. I can't find any reference to it on the iPhone. I'd also like that new dock on the iPhone. I like things to match.
Guiltylemon 9y ago
I have the iOS 11 beta on my iPhone and the Files app is definitely here and working as expected.
- JustSomeNobody 9y ago
  I have searched all day[0] for evidence of it and didn't see anything. I am very glad you came in and said it is there. That is so good to know. [0] Well, during meetings...
chillacy 9y ago
I've been using Documents by Readdle, which was basically Files for the iphone. But I have a feeling they just got sherlocked.
- kristofferR 9y ago
  Documents is awesome. They introduced drag and drop functionality between their apps just a few weeks ago too: https://blog.readdle.com/drag-drop-between-readdle-apps-fd079c756b23 https://blog.readdle.com/drag-drop-between-readdle-apps-fd07...

singularity2001 9y ago

At second 47 in the film[0] he is trying to draw a circle and instead gets this very angular polygon: [1] http://imgur.com/a/J91OZ http://imgur.com/a/J91OZ [0] https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ Is that really the best that state of the art can do?

obsurveyor 9y ago
The 12.9" iPad Pro + Pencil + 60hz app works very well with no behavior like that. My guess is that it's a beta iOS issue because there seems to be a lot of churn with major iOS versions when it comes to the pencil. Apps usually have to do some kind of update to address whatever Apple has done each time around.
simonh 9y ago
That's not a circle. It's just a loop to highlight something. Mine on paper often come out wonky like that too.

Stanleyc23 9y ago

Still waiting for xcode on iOS

blazespin 9y ago
Yeah, no kidding. "iPad Pro" and I can't even design iOS Apps? Please.
- scotu 9y ago
  there are lots of kinds of pros, not only sw dev, you know. Then again, I'm a sw dev and I'd like to develop software on it, so maybe one day
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ChuckMcM 9y ago

Interesting that the Ars coverage (https://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/06/apple-introduces-a-redesigned-10-5-inch-ipad-pro/ https://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/06/apple-introduces-a-red...) is the new hotness but the Apple web site is the 'old' iPad Pro.

ChuckMcM 9y ago
... and after a couple of cdn cache flushes its up with the latest and greatest.

kgabis 9y ago

I wonder where iPad line will be in few years. Personally I don't see a reason to use an iPad over my macbook, but if this trend continues, then it might be a reasonable pc replacement for most users.

scholia 9y ago
iPad sales are down by half (in unit terms) compared with its peak. Android tablet sales are down as well. From his previous remarks (Why would you buy a PC? etc), Tim Cook seems to want everyone to move to iOS, and the neglect of the Mac line seems to support that idea. But he's yet to show he can move the market in that direction....
- scholia 9y ago
  Apple posted its first full-year iPad sales dip in fiscal 2014. Unit sales slipped 4% that year, while revenue fell 5%. The sales declines accelerated thereafter. In fiscal 2015, unit sales plunged 19% and revenue dropped by 23%. In fiscal 2016, unit sales fell another 17%, while revenue tumbled 11%. Double-digit declines along both metrics continued in the first quarter of fiscal 2017. The net result is that Apple shipped just 42.6 million iPads during the 2016 calendar year, down about 40% from the peak a few years ago. https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/02/19/is-the-ipad-dead.aspx https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/02/19/is-the-ipad-dead.a... Apple Quietly Acknowledges the iPad’s Staggering Decline http://fortune.com/2017/03/21/apple-ipad-decline/ http://fortune.com/2017/03/21/apple-ipad-decline/ It's been two and a half years of decline – tablets aren't coming back https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/05/tablets_arent_coming_back/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/05/tablets_arent_comin... In an interview with The Telegraph, Cook said, "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?" He continued: "Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones." http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-ceo-tim-cook-why-would-you-buy-a-pc-anymore-2015-11?r=UK&IR=T http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple-ceo-tim-cook-why-would-y... Has Apple lost interest in the Mac? http://macdailynews.com/2016/09/11/has-apple-lost-interest-in-the-mac/ http://macdailynews.com/2016/09/11/has-apple-lost-interest-i... Has Apple Lost Interest in the Mac? http://www.kirkville.com/has-apple-lost-interest-in-the-mac/ http://www.kirkville.com/has-apple-lost-interest-in-the-mac/

dchuk 9y ago

The thing that I hung onto during this part of the Keynote was that I have never seen anyone use an iPad laying flat on a table like that. Not only ergonomically that's bad (for your neck) most of the time I'm using mine on one knee kicking back on the couch or in bed. A lot of the gestures they showed for multitasking require multiple fingers on both hands, so you can't also be holding the device. I suppose with it propped up via a kickstand it might work fine, it just looked awkward to me to be fully flat like that. I also don't draw on an iPad so maybe I'm just not the target user for that orientation.

scrumper 9y ago
I use my 12" iPad Pro flat a lot, mostly for taking notes in meetings using the pencil or drawing diagrams. It's no different to using pen and paper in terms of neck angles and the like. I do find myself using the pencil for stuff you'd do with a finger (clicking buttons etc.) as well as writing/drawing though, maybe in subconscious deference to those ergonomic issues.

maxxxxx 9y ago

Is there way to do a dual screen setup with this?

JBiserkov 9y ago
You mean like a Surface Pro? No, I don't think so.
pesto88 9y ago
If you're using a macbook, check out the app astropad. It was a bit laggy with a macbook air though.
4ad 9y ago
As an additional screen to a mac, yes, there are severals apps for that, however they all require 3rd party kernel drivers on the mac so they will most likely break on major updates and they will probably be discontinued at some point. They work reasonably well for web browsing and development, but I would not use them for photo or video stuff.

acomjean 9y ago

I'm skeptical about the tablet. I went on a trip last week and left my workhorse macbook pro at home for the first time on a trip and brought my iPad mini. It just isn't that useful for dealing with photos taken with a separate camera. It was nice for browsing the web but that was pretty much it. I couldn't work on my learning new graphical js on my downtime, not beat making (ableton). The iphone was great on the trip while on the go. It just doesn't feel like a creative device. Even though the pencil is amazing, I just don't see it.

iamatworknow 9y ago
>It just isn't that useful for dealing with photos taken with a separate camera. I recently went on a trip with no laptop -- only my "real" camera, my iPhone, and a Western Digital MyPassport Wireless Pro: https://www.wdc.com/products/portable-storage/my-passport-wireless-pro.html https://www.wdc.com/products/portable-storage/my-passport-wi... It worked out surprisingly well. I mainly bought the MyPassport for the extra storage space so I didn't have to bring a million SD cards, but it also worked well as a backup battery pack for the phone, and for transferring a few of those images to the phone for immediate access. Admittedly, I shot in RAW + JPEG and the app only recognizes the JPEGs (from what I could tell quickly) but it was good enough for the few photos I wanted to share right away after taking them. I don't have an iPad but I've been considering one just for photo editing with the pencil. I hear Lightroom on iPads is getting better, and I just got an e-mail today about Affinity Photo being released for iPad. But yeah, consider the WD MyPassport if transferring/storing photos without a true laptop was a problem.
- cynicalbastard 9y ago
  consider getting the cable that connects iphone to camera. it's $30 but pretty useful. you can transfer/edit on phone, and upload directly to its permanent home in cloud storage. probably won't work for a professional but is fine for photo hobbyists. it's nice not having a laptop or an external drive in your camera bag.
  - iamatworknow 9y ago

williamstein 9y ago

They have deprecated the whole idea of RAM as a spec. At https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/ https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/, they only list "capacity" (of 64GB, 256GB, 512GB), and have no mention of RAM anywhere. Interesting. I guess they are viewing RAM versus persistent flash memory as just another level of tiering/caching, and believe their swap is so good that it all blends together.

sandyarmstrong 9y ago
This has been the case for several years now on iPad spec pages.
stcredzero 9y ago
I guess they are viewing RAM versus persistent flash memory as just another level of tiering/caching, and believe their swap is so good that it all blends together. I think this is the correct long-term view, as persistent solid state memory gets better and cheaper. The old 20th century memory hierarchy, with nothing between RAM and spinning platter hard drives should fade into the past. As technology changes, this is sure to be an obsolete model of the world that no longer fits.
- photojosh 9y ago
  iOS doesn't do "traditional" swap though. Once memory runs low, apps will be warned and may be booted out to free some up. It's up to the apps to then persist their state to the solid-state storage.
mwexler 9y ago
And yet, a short period of working with some large apps shows that, in fact, it isn't quite so good at all: from Safari pages refreshing to apps "paging in", the lack of ram is clearly present once one starts really working with iOS devices. I look forward to the new device showing a new day... but I'm not holding my breath.
- ianai 9y ago

sleeplesss 9y ago

Apple is trying to made ipad become a laptop by adding keyboard, pen, upgrading iOS (files app, drop-n-drag). It is funny because most people will go to work with a Mac/PC. Why should Apple try to make iPad become a Pc? It is so late because Microsoft has Surface pro which runs windows long time ago. It is funny to see Apple adding file app, drag-n-drop features as improvements.

seppin 9y ago
> It is so late because Microsoft has Surface pro which runs windows long time ago. Which is why the market is still wide open.
- seanp2k2 9y ago
  Ah, 2005 and the days of WinCE, with a start menu on the HTC Apache. How we've progressed.
thegayngler 9y ago
I actually think its a better approach than try to tack on two OSes to one piece of hardware.
- scholia 9y ago
  Lots of us really like the 2-in-1 concept and find it incredibly useful. Last time I bought a non-touch laptop, I quickly realized my mistake and took it back for a touch-screen model. Otherwise, the long-term plan is to transition between the old Win32 API and the new Windows Runtime (which are both part of the same OS). The transition to the UWP isn't going very well at the moment, of course, but Microsoft didn't know how it would go when it started. However, it's a long-term play so ask me again in 10 years. If Microsoft hadn't made the move then it would clearly be a legacy OS. As it is, Windows 10 is a cloud-integrated, continuously-updated mobile OS with sandboxed apps maintained from an app store, just like iOS and Android. It just has rather too much of the old stuff hanging around as well...
lawkwok 9y ago

martijn_himself 9y ago

I'm really interested in this, but at roughly £950 for the 256GB model including keyboard and pencil, can I use it for full time web development?

BinaryIdiot 9y ago
Not really. I mean unless I've missed an app or two basically every app that can be used for web development is just absolutely dreadful and the git support terrible since it's not installed and used system-wide (it has to be fully embedded within the app itself). If someone has a positive experience doing on an iPad I'd love to hear about it because while I would rarely do it it would be nice to be able to quickly change something when I'm on the go. But in my experience so far it's no good.
- jaegerpicker 9y ago
  I use prompt to ssh into a remote server and that's my preferred method. If I need to be local to the device I'll use working copy (Great git app!) and coda to work locally. I'm more of a command line driven dev so I like the first option but the second is good also.
jaegerpicker 9y ago
I use my iPad Pro for development ALL the time. Two ways I get it done: 1. ssh into a remote vm in the cloud and use that. Emacs (or vim if you are that kind of person ;) ), tmux, and zsh shell are all I really need. 2. Use Coda or another on device editor. This one is a little harder as it's not quite as good as you desktop editors like VS.Code or Atom. That said I do it often and enjoy the experience.
- martijn_himself 9y ago
  I'd love to try this out. How do you find the Smart Keyboard with prolonged use? EDIT: do you use this as your primary device or alongside a MacBook?

chx 9y ago

This will steer more users from a platform where you can run whatever you want (macOS) to a platform where you can run whatever Apple lets you (iOS). If it's not self evident why this is bad then -- as I did with the recent Windows S, Amiga X5000 announcements -- let me dig up my seven year old blog post trying to explain why this is very bad http://drupal4hu.com/future/freedom http://drupal4hu.com/future/freedom And no, this is not an "Apple is evil" rant, it's simply they are making more money this way.

kendallpark 9y ago

The file manager is better late than never. My real question is what will text editing look like? The lack of a cursor on iPad makes something like programming or writing on the iPad insanely frustrating. Have you ever tried selecting a precise amount of text with your finger?

kiliankoe 9y ago
Moving the cursor via a two-finger-swipe on the keyboard works surprisingly well. On the iPhone you can use this gesture (3D touch the keyboard) to also select text when pressing harder.
shaunparker 9y ago
On the iPad you can drag two fingers over the keyboard to move the cursor around. When you have text selected, two finger dragging on the top half moves the left side of the selection and the bottom the opposite. It's a very useful gesture.
e28eta 9y ago
Agree with siblings about two finger drag to move cursor around. Additionally, I really enjoy the apple keyboard case for my iPad Pro. Real arrow keys, along with option, command, and shift modifiers are how I select text on the Mac, and it works identically on iPad.
kendallpark 9y ago
Thank you to everyone! I will give this a try.

hobarrera 9y ago

Looks like the iOS 11 site it totally broken though: https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-11-preview/ https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-11-preview/ The images make little sense. And then I got to the point where paragraphs referenced photo animations and the images were still, and realized they probably wanted to make some fancy animation that's not working on firefox. I tried on chromium, and then on Safari on my iPhone. Same results. Not sure if they screwed up or what, but even the "Live Photos" images are stills that make no sense.

eridius 9y ago
Looks perfectly fine on Safari for macOS as well as Safari for iPhone. Maybe you just have a crap internet connection and can't download the video animations?
- hobarrera 9y ago
  I don't have access to any machines with macOS, but I tried: * Firefox on Linux * Chromium on Linux * Firefox on iOS * Safari on iOS I didn't work on any yesterday. It works on Firefox today. They probably fixed it at some point since my initial comment.

artursapek 9y ago

"It's lit." I love Apple trying to relate to young people

dmix 9y ago
Oh no, they didn't say this did they? I recently saw Ken Bone tweet "Savage" in a serious context. It's funny how fast 'youth'/'urban' culture is being swallowed up by mainstream typically out-of-touch demographics. But I guess it's all part of this obsession with authenticity recently. This puts a lot of pressure on the youth to adapt quickly and develop new slang. Not sure I feel comfortable with this development though. I'd rather be okay with big corporate marketing firms not being lame by using old slang, focusing on interesting but neutral copy, rather than them constantly keeping up with the latest slang and memes to seem in touch with 'millennials'. They should know how defeating this feels to people 'in the know' aka people who pioneer what is cool.
- artursapek 9y ago
  It's in the fake text message conversation, with the break-dancing fellow.

toomanybeersies 9y ago

A shame to see there's no update to the iPad mini. For casual users, it's not so useful any more, with the larger iPhones of today, but it's very useful for professional and business use in cases where space/size is a constraint, and an iPhone isn't warranted. The app we develop has quite a few users on iPad minis. Apart from the fact that it's only for iPad, I don't think we would get many users moving to using an iPhone, firstly because of cost, and secondly because it's just a bit too small.

r00fus 9y ago
It's completely useful for casual users - my mom can't lift the iPad Air2 but a mini is quite usable for her. It's too bad that for Apple, form factor (i.e., size) is tied to premium status. Maybe in 6-12mo they'll release an iPad 2017 mini version?
Eric_WVGG 9y ago
I'm dying for a Mini with Pencil support. I want a digital Moleskine. If "iPads seen in the wild" are anything to go by, they're still the best-selling model, too. My best guess is that the usability gurus have decided that it's just no good for "getting work done," and they're willing to sacrifice some sales to get more professional traction.
- ianai 9y ago
  They really are a great size. Pretty much the portability of an iPhone with plenty of screen. But since it's not my phone I don't have to take it everywhere.
tbihl 9y ago
The iPad mini is the perfect indoor reading device. That's a pretty casual use case.

chj 9y ago

Without a sharing file system,you are forced to implement file syncing in almost every productivity app. It is madness.

rebootthesystem 9y ago

Still no multiuser capabilities. Truly disappointing. Not upgrading. Not interested.

mitchell_h 9y ago

To me this doesn't look like iPad taking on the surface so much as ipad taking on the surface and Chromebooks.

myrandomcomment 9y ago

I have a the 12" with a pen since it came out. Really wanted to use it for taking notes, but then I remember my handwriting is complete chicken scratch. It did find a nice place as a tool for doing wireframes of the UI for my current startup for PLM. Also I will say I have gotten used to the split screen. It is nice to watch a video and also open the web browser or email. Looks like IOS 11 makes this even better. The iPad was not a replacement for my MacBook Pro. Speaking of which, 16GB on MacBooks now. Going to order one ASAP. I travel so weight and size is the most important thing (besides the fact I need 16GB). At home or work I just jack into the thunderbolt port for monitor, keyboard, mouse and network.

sundvor 9y ago

Model numbers please(!). I know there already was an iPad Pro, and now there's another iPad Pro. Is this the iPad PRO version 11 then (to correspond with the IOS version it was released for), or iPad PRO version 2017 (the year it was released)? Or is it version 2 or 3? Microsoft appears to be doing the same thing with their Surface Pro, so it's not just Apple. Look at Lenovo's site, e.g. for an X1 Carbon, and it tells you we're now on Gen 5. Thank you, Lenovo. And Dell doesn't try to hide that their latest XPS 15 is the 9560. Thank you, Dell.

ianai 9y ago
I think they do fine with simple year numbers. The silly "air" and "pro" monikers seem to be confusing them. They seem to want to sunset the "air" qualifier, but they just refreshed it's CPU. I wish they would move back to a standard hardware set. Have their ultrabooks named one thing and keep them up to date. Do the same for the pro and desktop lines.
- kalleboo 9y ago
  The problem with displaying year numbers is that it becomes an embarrassment when they let a product languish for oh...3 years or so
  - sundvor 9y ago
    On the flip side, maybe they wouldn't let that happen again, then. :D
Hasknewbie 9y ago
I sometimes wonder if they do this to mess with the second-hand market and third-party tech support.
- sundvor 9y ago
  The net effect of the generic non-versioned "ipad" naming is to make me feel a bit dumb. I can recite spec changes between Samsung Galaxy models, and keep close track on aforementioned Dell and Lenovo products, but for the iPads I just draw a blank. I don't know. I bought an iPad (Air?) a few years ago for my son. It may have been in September 2014; it's one of the slim ones (perhaps "2nd generation slim"??), and it looks pretty much the same as the newer ones. I struggle to tell the difference between them; as long as it works I really don't feel an incentive to upgrade it. (Protip: The thick child iPad cases are just about bulletproof).

digi_owl 9y ago

Heh, i give them a year or two before they retire the imac range completely.

atroll 9y ago

no thanks

atroll 9y ago

no thanks

gdubs 9y ago

To balance out the negativity here's my anecdotal input - the iPad Pro has had more impact on my creativity than any device I can remember, and it's almost entirely due to the pencil and how it's brought drawing back into my life. That's not even counting it's usefulness for music making, etc. I've never seen it as a replacement for desktop software - it's a different class with different user behaviors. I'm generally bullish on the form factor over the long term, and see no reason why it needs to be a zero sum game between tablet and desktop.