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But the end user experience is still shit on iOS, it's just a more specialized kind of shit, delivered through a fancy sphincter.

eecc 9y ago
Please elaborate... I've been on iOS since the iPhone4 and didn't notice the smell
fredsir 9y ago
How is it shit? There's always room for improvement, but it's not shit if you ask me. In my opinion it's the best mobile OS we've got.
- jasonkostempski 9y ago
  Walled garden, monopolistic practices, favoritism, planned obsolescence. None of these things are a net gain for the end user. They do it better than anyone else, but it's still the same shit.
  - scarface74 9y ago
    "planned obsolescence"? The latest version of iOS runs on all iOS devices back to the iPhone 5 -- introduced in 2012. How many Android phones still get updates from their manufacturer 5 years later? When Apple releases a security patch, it's available from day one to all users worldwide over the air. Can you say the same for Android?
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    - sqeaky 9y ago
      I hold no opinion on "planned obsolescence", rather I want to separate OS from vendors. Vendor support is not a feature of the software it is a feature of the Vendor. Android is open for anyone to do anything with, and there is no way to force someone to support something after they release it any more than it is possible to get them to not use Android in the first place. If we look at Apple, Samsung, LG, HTC, etc... independently as companies I am sure some have crappy upgrade policies and some have great policies. If you want shop around for it, look at reviews for other phones. If you don't want it, like if you are planning on installing your own OS or have other plans for the hardware then this is misfeature. It becomes a thing you have paid for but will never use.
      - scarface74 9y ago
        Vendor support is not a feature of the software it is a feature of the Vendor. Whether I buy a computer from Dell, HP, Lenovo or any other PC vendor, I still can get upgrades and security patches from Microsoft. I don't have to wait on the vendor for updates. we look at Apple, Samsung, LG, HTC, etc... independently as companies I am sure some have crappy upgrade policies and some have great policies. If you want shop around for it, look at reviews for other phones. Tell me one Android vendor who supports their phone with security patches for five years?
        sqeaky 9y ago
        Windows is also locked down so that Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc... cannot make arbitrary changes to it. If they could they would like break the update mechanism. I have seen plenty of preinstalled crapware from all those companies that never gets updated.
        scarface74 9y ago
        And the difference being that you can update the OS despite the crapware. You can't update Android devices without waiting on the vendor.
        sqeaky 9y ago
        And you can install your own Android based OS which gets updates. All I am trying to say is that android, the OS is not the reason updates don't happen. The Vendor is and largely your point point agrees with me.
        scarface74 9y ago
        You can install your own Android base on the majority of Android phones? Including full support for Google Play Services? What about all of the chipsets that only come with binary blobs that the manufacturer has stopped supporting? Are you really comparing the ease of clicking one button to upgrade Windows or iOS devices with using some semi supported "Android" OS that may or may not be supported for your phone?
    - Dylan16807 9y ago
      > The latest version of iOS runs on all iOS devices back to the iPhone 5 Have new iOS versions stopped getting aggressively slower on old devices yet? Technically running but in a broken way doesn't stop it being planned obsolescence. If that did change then great, more people should be made aware. > Can you say the same for Android? This is about iOS's faults, not Android's.
      - eridius 9y ago
        Apple does a crazy amount of work to keep iOS running on as many devices as they can. Speaking as a developer, I wish they'd be more aggressive about dropping support for older devices. But even if the new OS runs slower on old devices, that's not even remotely Planned Obsolescence. Planned Obsolescence means they deliberately make older devices run badly in order to drive upgrades. But there's not even a snowflake's chance in hell that Apple is doing that, and saying they are is pretty insulting to all the work they do ensuring the OS is at least usable on those devices. The simple fact is, as devices get more powerful, the OS expands to take advantage of that power, and so when you run the OS on older hardware it's now doing more work than it used to and frequently ends up slower.
    - jasonkostempski 9y ago
      Non-replaceable battery, no external storage. No, modern Android devices aren't generally any better, they are also part of shit show.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    If only my Android devices could have half of the planned obsolescence of iOS devices....
coldtea 9y ago
Shit compared to what? People really have no context...
- tambourine_man 9y ago
  I was afraid to ask that same question, given the colorful metaphor provided
- zepto 9y ago
  A naïve utopia that we are being held back from by corporate greed.
- jasonkostempski 9y ago
  True, nothing much better exists yet in the mobile space.
kavok 9y ago
I converted from Android to iOS after using Android for years. The experience is better or identical to Android in all cases.
- matwood 9y ago
  I've told this story before, but I'll tell it again. I was an iOS user from day 1. Switched to Android when Apple refused to release a large screen device. I used multiple Androids over 2 years (HTCs, Nexus devices), and while I could do some geeky things with them they all had issues. Battery life was terrible. My Nexus 5 would randomly have a Google process spin out of control and kill the batter in 5 minutes. Updates tended to make the device not work as well (my Nexus 7 sits in a drawer after becoming unusable from updates). I finally switched back to an iPhone, and realized how silly I was trying to convince my iPhone using friends to switch to Android. It just works. My friends don't care about kernels or custom ROMs. They want an OS that works, is secure, and stays updated. iOS does that. Apple will have to really mess things up for me to leave iOS at this point. For something I interact with on a daily basis, I don't have the time or the patience to deal with Android.
- khedoros1 9y ago
  I like iOS itself (I have an iPhone 6 through work). I'd feel smothered using it as a personal device, though. Off the top of my head: it doesn't give me direct access to my on-device files, allow external storage, provide a relatively-unrestricted MTP share when plugged in, allow external app stores, or let me run a server (I sometimes run sshd for wireless file transfers, or an SMS proxy to send and receive SMS from my PC). The things that iOS does, it arguably does better than Android. The things it doesn't do are what have kept me away.
  - kavok 9y ago
    I will admit that the lack of file system access was a bit difficult to get over when coming from Android - but it comes up rarely and is easy to work around (store the files on something else icloud dropbox etc..). External storage seems to be pretty rare on Android though? My #1 complaint about iOS is that they don't really allow other browsers.

eecc 9y ago

Please elaborate... I've been on iOS since the iPhone4 and didn't notice the smell

fredsir 9y ago

How is it shit? There's always room for improvement, but it's not shit if you ask me. In my opinion it's the best mobile OS we've got.

jasonkostempski 9y ago
Walled garden, monopolistic practices, favoritism, planned obsolescence. None of these things are a net gain for the end user. They do it better than anyone else, but it's still the same shit.
- scarface74 9y ago
  "planned obsolescence"? The latest version of iOS runs on all iOS devices back to the iPhone 5 -- introduced in 2012. How many Android phones still get updates from their manufacturer 5 years later? When Apple releases a security patch, it's available from day one to all users worldwide over the air. Can you say the same for Android?
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  - sqeaky 9y ago
    I hold no opinion on "planned obsolescence", rather I want to separate OS from vendors. Vendor support is not a feature of the software it is a feature of the Vendor. Android is open for anyone to do anything with, and there is no way to force someone to support something after they release it any more than it is possible to get them to not use Android in the first place. If we look at Apple, Samsung, LG, HTC, etc... independently as companies I am sure some have crappy upgrade policies and some have great policies. If you want shop around for it, look at reviews for other phones. If you don't want it, like if you are planning on installing your own OS or have other plans for the hardware then this is misfeature. It becomes a thing you have paid for but will never use.
    - scarface74 9y ago
      Vendor support is not a feature of the software it is a feature of the Vendor. Whether I buy a computer from Dell, HP, Lenovo or any other PC vendor, I still can get upgrades and security patches from Microsoft. I don't have to wait on the vendor for updates. we look at Apple, Samsung, LG, HTC, etc... independently as companies I am sure some have crappy upgrade policies and some have great policies. If you want shop around for it, look at reviews for other phones. Tell me one Android vendor who supports their phone with security patches for five years?
      - sqeaky 9y ago
        Windows is also locked down so that Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc... cannot make arbitrary changes to it. If they could they would like break the update mechanism. I have seen plenty of preinstalled crapware from all those companies that never gets updated.
        scarface74 9y ago
        And the difference being that you can update the OS despite the crapware. You can't update Android devices without waiting on the vendor.
        sqeaky 9y ago
        And you can install your own Android based OS which gets updates. All I am trying to say is that android, the OS is not the reason updates don't happen. The Vendor is and largely your point point agrees with me.
        scarface74 9y ago
        You can install your own Android base on the majority of Android phones? Including full support for Google Play Services? What about all of the chipsets that only come with binary blobs that the manufacturer has stopped supporting? Are you really comparing the ease of clicking one button to upgrade Windows or iOS devices with using some semi supported "Android" OS that may or may not be supported for your phone?
  - Dylan16807 9y ago
    > The latest version of iOS runs on all iOS devices back to the iPhone 5 Have new iOS versions stopped getting aggressively slower on old devices yet? Technically running but in a broken way doesn't stop it being planned obsolescence. If that did change then great, more people should be made aware. > Can you say the same for Android? This is about iOS's faults, not Android's.
    - eridius 9y ago
      Apple does a crazy amount of work to keep iOS running on as many devices as they can. Speaking as a developer, I wish they'd be more aggressive about dropping support for older devices. But even if the new OS runs slower on old devices, that's not even remotely Planned Obsolescence. Planned Obsolescence means they deliberately make older devices run badly in order to drive upgrades. But there's not even a snowflake's chance in hell that Apple is doing that, and saying they are is pretty insulting to all the work they do ensuring the OS is at least usable on those devices. The simple fact is, as devices get more powerful, the OS expands to take advantage of that power, and so when you run the OS on older hardware it's now doing more work than it used to and frequently ends up slower.
  - jasonkostempski 9y ago
    Non-replaceable battery, no external storage. No, modern Android devices aren't generally any better, they are also part of shit show.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  If only my Android devices could have half of the planned obsolescence of iOS devices....

coldtea 9y ago

Shit compared to what? People really have no context...

tambourine_man 9y ago
I was afraid to ask that same question, given the colorful metaphor provided
zepto 9y ago
A naïve utopia that we are being held back from by corporate greed.
jasonkostempski 9y ago
True, nothing much better exists yet in the mobile space.

kavok 9y ago

I converted from Android to iOS after using Android for years. The experience is better or identical to Android in all cases.

matwood 9y ago
I've told this story before, but I'll tell it again. I was an iOS user from day 1. Switched to Android when Apple refused to release a large screen device. I used multiple Androids over 2 years (HTCs, Nexus devices), and while I could do some geeky things with them they all had issues. Battery life was terrible. My Nexus 5 would randomly have a Google process spin out of control and kill the batter in 5 minutes. Updates tended to make the device not work as well (my Nexus 7 sits in a drawer after becoming unusable from updates). I finally switched back to an iPhone, and realized how silly I was trying to convince my iPhone using friends to switch to Android. It just works. My friends don't care about kernels or custom ROMs. They want an OS that works, is secure, and stays updated. iOS does that. Apple will have to really mess things up for me to leave iOS at this point. For something I interact with on a daily basis, I don't have the time or the patience to deal with Android.
khedoros1 9y ago
I like iOS itself (I have an iPhone 6 through work). I'd feel smothered using it as a personal device, though. Off the top of my head: it doesn't give me direct access to my on-device files, allow external storage, provide a relatively-unrestricted MTP share when plugged in, allow external app stores, or let me run a server (I sometimes run sshd for wireless file transfers, or an SMS proxy to send and receive SMS from my PC). The things that iOS does, it arguably does better than Android. The things it doesn't do are what have kept me away.
- kavok 9y ago
  I will admit that the lack of file system access was a bit difficult to get over when coming from Android - but it comes up rarely and is easy to work around (store the files on something else icloud dropbox etc..). External storage seems to be pretty rare on Android though? My #1 complaint about iOS is that they don't really allow other browsers.