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I really don't get the US hating all Asians part. Where does that come from? Many of the cold war era wars were proxy wars with Russia to stop the spread of c

by matt_s 9y ago

I really don't get the US hating all Asians part. Where does that come from? Many of the cold war era wars were proxy wars with Russia to stop the spread of communism. A natural place for that to occur was where Russia was attempting to move neighboring governments to communism, which was Asia. Also we were at war with Japan, they attacked the US after all, so I would hardly call them allies at that point in history.

subterfudge4 9y ago
Part of it is probably because of Christianity and Christian values which see pagan/animists as pure evil. Though Americans are no more as Christian as they use to be the values perhaps have sunk deep into psyche. In past people of Chinese origin were barred from voting, Citizenships revoked retrospectively, during WW-2 Japanese origin citizens of USA were put into a camp (but Americans or German or Italian origin were not). As of today Chinese and Indians have to wait anywhere between 12 to 20 years to get a mere green-card despite doing much better than average American. Democrats don't like Asians because they don't live on welfare and Repupblicans don't like them because they are not Christians or white.
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jjtheblunt 9y ago
I'd conjecture it's because of a horrific subset of people of whatever sort doing things like raping and killing at Nanking, torturing and eating dogs, cats, monkeys, which just is entirely sacriligious everywhere else...which people extrapolate through built in statistics to form skepticism about the entire class. A few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch, and that's reality.
- erikpukinskis 9y ago
  > a horrific subset of people of whatever sort doing things like raping and killing at Nanking We seem to have forgiven Germans for the holocaust. I don't detect any particular "Germans are less humane than us" sentiment in the U.S. these days. > torturing and eating dogs, cats, monkeys, which just is entirely sacriligious everywhere else We torture and eat pigs in the U.S., who are just as intelligent as dogs. I think you have the causality arrow wrong. We latch on to a few people in Asia eating dogs because we already decided they're lesser than and we're looking for an excuse. > A few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch, and that's reality. I think it's much more complicated than that. Why do bad apples spoil feminism for example, but bad apples don't spoil the NFL?
user982 9y ago
Every single time that the United States has engaged in conflict with Asian countries, it has waged not war but programs of systematic and indiscriminate extermination. From the atrocities of the "liberation" of the Philippines[1], to the nuclear bombings of Japan, to the targetless carpet bombings and rampant, sanctioned war crimes against enemy and nominal ally alike in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos, flattening countries and scarring the lands and peoples to this day and the next. America has reserved its most inhumane and destructive weapons to be field tested and then used without hesitation on Asian civilian populations. This is made possible because the United States only marginally accepts Asians to be human[2]. After all, "The Oriental doesn't put the same high price on life as does a Westerner. Life is plentiful. Life is cheap in the Orient."[3] [1]: http://www.pashtunforums.com/other-news-sources/42677-american-war-crimes-phillipines.html http://www.pashtunforums.com/other-news-sources/42677-americ... [2]: https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/140922-japense-skull-1944.jpg https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/140922-japens... [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huFh760p-MA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huFh760p-MA
- Paradigma11 9y ago
  "The Oriental doesn't put the same high price on life as does a Westerner. Life is plentiful. Life is cheap in the Orient." Where does he say that he does no values the life of the "Orientals"? From his experiences in the war between north and south vietnam or the chinese invovement in Korea it certainly seems that local actors valued the life of their soldiers or civilians less than most western countries would have. I do not think that this would have been disputed by Ho, Kim or Mao.
- dm3730 9y ago
  > America has reserved its most inhumane and destructive weapons to be field tested and then used without hesitation on Asian civilian populations. I think Africans and Native Americans would beg to disagree. Heck, experiments like the Tuskegee Experiment were done not on foreign Africans but natural born Americans who just happened to have black skin. Stuff like the Sand Creek massacre, Wounded Knee, and so many others just aren't part of our national (or international) consciousness. No body talks about the intentional sterilization of hundreds of thousands of Native American women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_Americ...
AlexCoventry 9y ago
Really, the US started the war with Japan when Commodore Perry forced Japan, literally at gunpoint, to begin trading with the US in 1853. The first Opium War had already happened, and the second was about to begin. If the Japanese were to maintain their autonomy and avoid the disastrous fate China suffered as a result of Anglo-Chinese trade, colonial expansion was their only realistic option. When they attacked Pearl Harbor it was mostly out of desperation, because the oil embargo ordered by Roosevelt placed Japanese imperial operations in imminent jeopardy. For a less US-centric perspective on the US/Japan war, Noam Chomsky's 1967 essay [0] is worth a read. He doesn't excuse their violence, but he does point out that it was more justifiable than other US violence in South East Asia. [0] https://chomsky.info/196709__/ https://chomsky.info/196709__/
- kobeya 9y ago
  Japan got a very good deal out of gunboat diplomacy, and its population was much better off for it, then and now.
  - AlexCoventry 9y ago
    I'm sure I could improve your life by forcing you to do certain things at gunpoint: are you eating right, saving the maximum possible for retirement, using your time as efficiently as possible, gentle in your relations with everyone? Whether some Japanese derived some benefit from the ultimatum doesn't change that it was a coercive relationship, enforced by a nation with a history of destructive exploitation of other nations and races, justifying its exploitation in terms of cultural and racial superiority over its subject people. Your argument is straight out of "White Man's Burden."
    - kobeya 9y ago
      I think I know a bit more about he subject than you, having studied the Edo era academically and being a licensed instructor in the military techniques carried down by one family of Tokugawa bodyguards, including the oral history that comes with that. That era was a shitshow ruled over by oppressive sociopathic samurai where life was short, domineering, and often brutal. They kept their country isolated from technology for the only reason of disempowering potential reformers. It is only looked back with fondness by those whose naïveté keeps them from knowing better, or who have nationalistic political agendas. The gunboat diplomacy was frankly a move of liberation that benefited the people of Japan. And it was not an occupation either -- fair trading terms were what was offered, by the standards of the day, a far better deal than China had for example. Japan was enabled by the deal, turned into a prosperous trading partner and world superpower a mere 40 years later. I don't know what lense you are looking at his through, but it is not refracting history correctly.

by matt_s 9y ago

subterfudge4 9y ago

Part of it is probably because of Christianity and Christian values which see pagan/animists as pure evil. Though Americans are no more as Christian as they use to be the values perhaps have sunk deep into psyche. In past people of Chinese origin were barred from voting, Citizenships revoked retrospectively, during WW-2 Japanese origin citizens of USA were put into a camp (but Americans or German or Italian origin were not). As of today Chinese and Indians have to wait anywhere between 12 to 20 years to get a mere green-card despite doing much better than average American. Democrats don't like Asians because they don't live on welfare and Repupblicans don't like them because they are not Christians or white.

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jjtheblunt 9y ago

I'd conjecture it's because of a horrific subset of people of whatever sort doing things like raping and killing at Nanking, torturing and eating dogs, cats, monkeys, which just is entirely sacriligious everywhere else...which people extrapolate through built in statistics to form skepticism about the entire class. A few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch, and that's reality.

erikpukinskis 9y ago
> a horrific subset of people of whatever sort doing things like raping and killing at Nanking We seem to have forgiven Germans for the holocaust. I don't detect any particular "Germans are less humane than us" sentiment in the U.S. these days. > torturing and eating dogs, cats, monkeys, which just is entirely sacriligious everywhere else We torture and eat pigs in the U.S., who are just as intelligent as dogs. I think you have the causality arrow wrong. We latch on to a few people in Asia eating dogs because we already decided they're lesser than and we're looking for an excuse. > A few bad apples really do spoil the whole bunch, and that's reality. I think it's much more complicated than that. Why do bad apples spoil feminism for example, but bad apples don't spoil the NFL?

user982 9y ago

Every single time that the United States has engaged in conflict with Asian countries, it has waged not war but programs of systematic and indiscriminate extermination. From the atrocities of the "liberation" of the Philippines[1], to the nuclear bombings of Japan, to the targetless carpet bombings and rampant, sanctioned war crimes against enemy and nominal ally alike in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos, flattening countries and scarring the lands and peoples to this day and the next. America has reserved its most inhumane and destructive weapons to be field tested and then used without hesitation on Asian civilian populations. This is made possible because the United States only marginally accepts Asians to be human[2]. After all, "The Oriental doesn't put the same high price on life as does a Westerner. Life is plentiful. Life is cheap in the Orient."[3] [1]: http://www.pashtunforums.com/other-news-sources/42677-american-war-crimes-phillipines.html http://www.pashtunforums.com/other-news-sources/42677-americ... [2]: https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/140922-japense-skull-1944.jpg https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/140922-japens... [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huFh760p-MA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huFh760p-MA

Paradigma11 9y ago
"The Oriental doesn't put the same high price on life as does a Westerner. Life is plentiful. Life is cheap in the Orient." Where does he say that he does no values the life of the "Orientals"? From his experiences in the war between north and south vietnam or the chinese invovement in Korea it certainly seems that local actors valued the life of their soldiers or civilians less than most western countries would have. I do not think that this would have been disputed by Ho, Kim or Mao.
dm3730 9y ago
> America has reserved its most inhumane and destructive weapons to be field tested and then used without hesitation on Asian civilian populations. I think Africans and Native Americans would beg to disagree. Heck, experiments like the Tuskegee Experiment were done not on foreign Africans but natural born Americans who just happened to have black skin. Stuff like the Sand Creek massacre, Wounded Knee, and so many others just aren't part of our national (or international) consciousness. No body talks about the intentional sterilization of hundreds of thousands of Native American women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_Americ...

AlexCoventry 9y ago

Really, the US started the war with Japan when Commodore Perry forced Japan, literally at gunpoint, to begin trading with the US in 1853. The first Opium War had already happened, and the second was about to begin. If the Japanese were to maintain their autonomy and avoid the disastrous fate China suffered as a result of Anglo-Chinese trade, colonial expansion was their only realistic option. When they attacked Pearl Harbor it was mostly out of desperation, because the oil embargo ordered by Roosevelt placed Japanese imperial operations in imminent jeopardy. For a less US-centric perspective on the US/Japan war, Noam Chomsky's 1967 essay [0] is worth a read. He doesn't excuse their violence, but he does point out that it was more justifiable than other US violence in South East Asia. [0] https://chomsky.info/196709__/ https://chomsky.info/196709__/

kobeya 9y ago
Japan got a very good deal out of gunboat diplomacy, and its population was much better off for it, then and now.
- AlexCoventry 9y ago
  I'm sure I could improve your life by forcing you to do certain things at gunpoint: are you eating right, saving the maximum possible for retirement, using your time as efficiently as possible, gentle in your relations with everyone? Whether some Japanese derived some benefit from the ultimatum doesn't change that it was a coercive relationship, enforced by a nation with a history of destructive exploitation of other nations and races, justifying its exploitation in terms of cultural and racial superiority over its subject people. Your argument is straight out of "White Man's Burden."
  - kobeya 9y ago
    I think I know a bit more about he subject than you, having studied the Edo era academically and being a licensed instructor in the military techniques carried down by one family of Tokugawa bodyguards, including the oral history that comes with that. That era was a shitshow ruled over by oppressive sociopathic samurai where life was short, domineering, and often brutal. They kept their country isolated from technology for the only reason of disempowering potential reformers. It is only looked back with fondness by those whose naïveté keeps them from knowing better, or who have nationalistic political agendas. The gunboat diplomacy was frankly a move of liberation that benefited the people of Japan. And it was not an occupation either -- fair trading terms were what was offered, by the standards of the day, a far better deal than China had for example. Japan was enabled by the deal, turned into a prosperous trading partner and world superpower a mere 40 years later. I don't know what lense you are looking at his through, but it is not refracting history correctly.