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I think established and accredited universities should set up two year coding programs that can teach the trade as opposed to pop up overpriced bootcamps that u

I think established and accredited universities should set up two year coding programs that can teach the trade as opposed to pop up overpriced bootcamps that usually operate without much accountability. Then the GI Bill can pick up the tab for such programs.

brianwawok 9y ago
A 4 year college program didn't teach me to code, what makes you think a 2 year program could? I learned how to write my own linked list however..
- kasey_junk 9y ago
  You are being downvoted I suspect because people are assuming you mean it's not possible to learn to code in 2 years, when what I suspect you mean is "why waste resources on poorly planned school curriculum regardless of timing when other options (such as the apprentice model) are available"
  - brianwawok 9y ago
    Yes exactly. I learned tons in college. Still not enough to make my own crud app. In that way, bootcamps do a better job. If we are doing a 2 year turbo degree, they could learn a lot from boot camps.
    - mac01021 9y ago
      So, after you finished your degree and started trying to learn to make a CRUD app, how long did it take you to be able to make such an app and reason intelligently about its behavior? How long would it have taken you if you had not done that degree first?
cbhl 9y ago
But those programs wouldn't meet the accreditation requirements, which usually require minimum numbers of teaching hours. Plus, established universities don't teach the trade, they teach you how to think about learning the trade. You actually learn the trade in co-ops and internships and by doing it.
- Chaebixi 9y ago
  > Plus, established universities don't teach the trade, they teach you how to think about learning the trade. A university wouldn't run a program like a code school. They're a better fit for a tech school or community college (which can be public, regionally accredited, and part of a larger state higher education system).
- rezashirazian 9y ago
  I don't mean create a CS like curriculum that would lead to an official degree, but build a continuous education program which teaches the trade.
nradov 9y ago
There's no need to water down university education. We already have community colleges which offer Associate's Degrees and university extensions which offer certificate programs. For example in Silicon Valley, De Anza college offers an AS degree in Programming and UCSC Extension offers a certificate program in Software Engineering. Those can be good options for someone who just wants to learn practical code construction skills without getting deep into CS theory. https://www.deanza.edu/counseling/degreecert.html https://www.deanza.edu/counseling/degreecert.html https://www.ucsc-extension.edu/programs/software-engineering/schedule https://www.ucsc-extension.edu/programs/software-engineering...

brianwawok 9y ago

A 4 year college program didn't teach me to code, what makes you think a 2 year program could? I learned how to write my own linked list however..

kasey_junk 9y ago
You are being downvoted I suspect because people are assuming you mean it's not possible to learn to code in 2 years, when what I suspect you mean is "why waste resources on poorly planned school curriculum regardless of timing when other options (such as the apprentice model) are available"
- brianwawok 9y ago
  Yes exactly. I learned tons in college. Still not enough to make my own crud app. In that way, bootcamps do a better job. If we are doing a 2 year turbo degree, they could learn a lot from boot camps.
  - mac01021 9y ago
    So, after you finished your degree and started trying to learn to make a CRUD app, how long did it take you to be able to make such an app and reason intelligently about its behavior? How long would it have taken you if you had not done that degree first?

cbhl 9y ago

But those programs wouldn't meet the accreditation requirements, which usually require minimum numbers of teaching hours. Plus, established universities don't teach the trade, they teach you how to think about learning the trade. You actually learn the trade in co-ops and internships and by doing it.

Chaebixi 9y ago
> Plus, established universities don't teach the trade, they teach you how to think about learning the trade. A university wouldn't run a program like a code school. They're a better fit for a tech school or community college (which can be public, regionally accredited, and part of a larger state higher education system).
rezashirazian 9y ago
I don't mean create a CS like curriculum that would lead to an official degree, but build a continuous education program which teaches the trade.

nradov 9y ago

There's no need to water down university education. We already have community colleges which offer Associate's Degrees and university extensions which offer certificate programs. For example in Silicon Valley, De Anza college offers an AS degree in Programming and UCSC Extension offers a certificate program in Software Engineering. Those can be good options for someone who just wants to learn practical code construction skills without getting deep into CS theory. https://www.deanza.edu/counseling/degreecert.html https://www.deanza.edu/counseling/degreecert.html https://www.ucsc-extension.edu/programs/software-engineering/schedule https://www.ucsc-extension.edu/programs/software-engineering...