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I don't agree with the policy but surely you use vacation time not sick leave when your children are sick? I do at least and assumed everybody else did too. (I'

by jvvw 10y ago

I don't agree with the policy but surely you use vacation time not sick leave when your children are sick? I do at least and assumed everybody else did too. (I'm in the UK though so appreciate sick leave may be a different concept in the US).

daenney 10y ago
No? Why would I use vacation time for that? I'm not on vacation or taking a break. I'm taking care of a sick family member. Thankfully we have a system for that known as VAB[1] in Sweden that covers this case. [1]: https://www.forsakringskassan.se/privatpers/foralder/!ut/p/z1/hc9NC4JAEAbg39LBqzN-It02FdMCE6FsL6GwrYa5spr285PqUvQxtxmed5gBChnQJh8qnveVaPJ66vfUPphLz9UCF1exlXpI7DDRtqmv-wsddneAX4og0N_5lDXTDvqPvQEnMCwkyUYzzFiPohSf4McdEVBei-LxE2kKw-FAJTsyyaR6kdO47Pu2myuo4DiOKheC10ztmIKfEqXoesheILTn7BqerHpYk9kN1niPFA!!/?1dmy&urile=wcm%3apath%3a%2Fcontentse_responsive%2Fprivatpers%2Fforalder%2Fom_barnet_blir_sjukt https://www.forsakringskassan.se/privatpers/foralder/!ut/p/z...
- jessaustin 10y ago
  So Sweden has something set up for this, but it still isn't called "sick leave". How is that relevant to GP's specific point?
  - justifier 10y ago
    Where do you live? Your local government might have those same allowances.. know your rights Here's California Labor Code section 246.5(o): Diagnosis, care, or treatment of an existing health condition of, or preventive care for, an employee or an employee’s family member. (o) http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=246.5.&lawCode=LAB http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection...
  - daenney 10y ago
    The GP comment is: > I don't agree with the policy but surely you use vacation time not sick leave when your children are sick? My reply to it is "No". I surely don't use vacation time instead of sick leave to care for sick family members. I can't really make this any clearer and as far as relevant to GP's point, it's an answer to their question. Even if we didn't have that system I wouldn't take out vacation days should this problem show up. It's not vacation.
brianwawok 10y ago
Very common in the US to use sick time for either you being sick of staying home for a sick kid. At one co this causes some friction. Company policy was 20 vacation days and 10 sick days. A young healthy type guy would use maybe 1 sick day and 20 vacation days, for 21 days off a year. Anyone with kids know they get sick a LOT. So basically anyone with any amount of kids would use all 10 for their kids. So parents go 10 sick + 20 vacation = 30 days off a year. I guess enough people complained that they just combined the two into a single "PTO" pool of 28 days. That way you can take the 28 days if you have kids or not. I guess the downside is people with kids got less vacation, but it seemed bit more "fair" overall.
- ncallaway 10y ago
  I guess it's more fair if you view someone taking a day to care for their sick child as "vacation". I personally don't view it that way (I say this as someone who doesn't have a child).
  - SomeStupidPoint 10y ago
    Having to meet with a lawyer, accountant, etc isnt a "vacation", but I'm expected to use vacation not sick days for those appointments. Arguably, those are all more essential to life than having children, which is optional. Now, I'm not saying we shouldn't incentivize having children by making extra allowances for that, but let's not pretend it's anything but unfair. But if we're talking fair, why should they get a day to take care of their child but I don't get one to take care of necessary legal paperwork?
    - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
      >those are all more essential to life than having children, which is optional. // If as a species we don't raise children how will we continue to have life? It's not optional if we wish to continue the species; ergo it's "essential to life".
      - SomeStupidPoint 10y ago
abruzzi 10y ago
In my job, sick leave is officially authorized for immediate family members, though the wording is a little vague on who that covers: > Sick leave may be authorized due to personal illness or injury; to care for an immediate family member who is ill or injured and requires the personal attention of the employee
daxelrod 10y ago
Anecdote: In my US workplace, Vacation Days are planned in advance. Unplanned leave comes out of a smaller pool of Personal Days. (There is no separate category for Sick Days, Personal Days can be used for whatever the employee wants, including being sick.)
pbhjpbhj 10y ago
No concept of "compassionate leave" at your workplace? Your holiday time is for taking holidays, that's an important thing for your company too - ensures you don't burn out for example. Looking after sick children and getting less holiday is, from a societal point of view at least, quite wrong. I've not worked many places in the UK but the concept of compassionate leave suits here, the boss gives you leave to care for close family members in dire need be they parents, siblings, children or whoever, at their discretion. https://www.gov.uk/time-off-for-dependants/your-rights https://www.gov.uk/time-off-for-dependants/your-rights Apparently there is an 18week unpaid parental leave entitlement for the period up to a child's 18th birthday, never knew that.

by jvvw 10y ago

daenney 10y ago

No? Why would I use vacation time for that? I'm not on vacation or taking a break. I'm taking care of a sick family member. Thankfully we have a system for that known as VAB[1] in Sweden that covers this case. [1]: https://www.forsakringskassan.se/privatpers/foralder/!ut/p/z1/hc9NC4JAEAbg39LBqzN-It02FdMCE6FsL6GwrYa5spr285PqUvQxtxmed5gBChnQJh8qnveVaPJ66vfUPphLz9UCF1exlXpI7DDRtqmv-wsddneAX4og0N_5lDXTDvqPvQEnMCwkyUYzzFiPohSf4McdEVBei-LxE2kKw-FAJTsyyaR6kdO47Pu2myuo4DiOKheC10ztmIKfEqXoesheILTn7BqerHpYk9kN1niPFA!!/?1dmy&urile=wcm%3apath%3a%2Fcontentse_responsive%2Fprivatpers%2Fforalder%2Fom_barnet_blir_sjukt https://www.forsakringskassan.se/privatpers/foralder/!ut/p/z...

jessaustin 10y ago
So Sweden has something set up for this, but it still isn't called "sick leave". How is that relevant to GP's specific point?
- justifier 10y ago
  Where do you live? Your local government might have those same allowances.. know your rights Here's California Labor Code section 246.5(o): Diagnosis, care, or treatment of an existing health condition of, or preventive care for, an employee or an employee’s family member. (o) http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=246.5.&lawCode=LAB http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection...
- daenney 10y ago
  The GP comment is: > I don't agree with the policy but surely you use vacation time not sick leave when your children are sick? My reply to it is "No". I surely don't use vacation time instead of sick leave to care for sick family members. I can't really make this any clearer and as far as relevant to GP's point, it's an answer to their question. Even if we didn't have that system I wouldn't take out vacation days should this problem show up. It's not vacation.

brianwawok 10y ago

Very common in the US to use sick time for either you being sick of staying home for a sick kid. At one co this causes some friction. Company policy was 20 vacation days and 10 sick days. A young healthy type guy would use maybe 1 sick day and 20 vacation days, for 21 days off a year. Anyone with kids know they get sick a LOT. So basically anyone with any amount of kids would use all 10 for their kids. So parents go 10 sick + 20 vacation = 30 days off a year. I guess enough people complained that they just combined the two into a single "PTO" pool of 28 days. That way you can take the 28 days if you have kids or not. I guess the downside is people with kids got less vacation, but it seemed bit more "fair" overall.

ncallaway 10y ago
I guess it's more fair if you view someone taking a day to care for their sick child as "vacation". I personally don't view it that way (I say this as someone who doesn't have a child).
- SomeStupidPoint 10y ago
  Having to meet with a lawyer, accountant, etc isnt a "vacation", but I'm expected to use vacation not sick days for those appointments. Arguably, those are all more essential to life than having children, which is optional. Now, I'm not saying we shouldn't incentivize having children by making extra allowances for that, but let's not pretend it's anything but unfair. But if we're talking fair, why should they get a day to take care of their child but I don't get one to take care of necessary legal paperwork?
  - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
    >those are all more essential to life than having children, which is optional. // If as a species we don't raise children how will we continue to have life? It's not optional if we wish to continue the species; ergo it's "essential to life".
    - SomeStupidPoint 10y ago

abruzzi 10y ago

In my job, sick leave is officially authorized for immediate family members, though the wording is a little vague on who that covers: > Sick leave may be authorized due to personal illness or injury; to care for an immediate family member who is ill or injured and requires the personal attention of the employee

daxelrod 10y ago

Anecdote: In my US workplace, Vacation Days are planned in advance. Unplanned leave comes out of a smaller pool of Personal Days. (There is no separate category for Sick Days, Personal Days can be used for whatever the employee wants, including being sick.)

pbhjpbhj 10y ago

No concept of "compassionate leave" at your workplace? Your holiday time is for taking holidays, that's an important thing for your company too - ensures you don't burn out for example. Looking after sick children and getting less holiday is, from a societal point of view at least, quite wrong. I've not worked many places in the UK but the concept of compassionate leave suits here, the boss gives you leave to care for close family members in dire need be they parents, siblings, children or whoever, at their discretion. https://www.gov.uk/time-off-for-dependants/your-rights https://www.gov.uk/time-off-for-dependants/your-rights Apparently there is an 18week unpaid parental leave entitlement for the period up to a child's 18th birthday, never knew that.