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It does? I honestly haven't heard much about HomeKit from a security perspective, so I guess it is either not used or working out well so far :) Has it been ge

by lawik 10y ago

It does? I honestly haven't heard much about HomeKit from a security perspective, so I guess it is either not used or working out well so far :) Has it been generally well received security-wise then?

IshKebab 10y ago
It's probably the most secure, but that's because they cheat and require a secure element in all products with a pre-shared key. Not a good solution in general.
- lawik 10y ago
  You mean that HomeKit-compatible products all need to include some kind of HomeKit-chip with a pre-shared key or something? I'm completely unfamiliar and a quick search on homekit and pre-shared key didn't make me wiser :)
  - joezydeco 10y ago
    You don't even get to know what's inside HomeKit until you're an MFI-certified developer with Apple. And yes, there's a chip involved (again, which you can't even touch until you're an MFI licensee). The chip handles all the security protocols involved. https://mfi.apple.com/MFiWeb/getFAQ.action https://mfi.apple.com/MFiWeb/getFAQ.action
    - lawik 10y ago
      That doesn't sound in line with my preferences but quite Apple. So maybe high quality (hard to say?) but quite proprietary. Makes me curious about how that homebridge node thing makes it work.
      - joezydeco 10y ago
        Well, it's pretty simple. If you want into Apple's ecosystem, you follow their rules. They've hardware-locked many other external things (dongles, charging cables, etc). Cynics will say it's a money grab, proponents will say it greatly reduces or eliminates the risk of buying something that will not work right. Apple sells itself on the ability of their things working right out of the box.
        Chaebixi 10y ago
        > proponents will say it greatly reduces or eliminates the risk of buying something that will not work right. IIRC, it's been shown that a massive percentage of the Apple chargers for sale on Amazon are difficult to spot counterfeits. Some of those use dangerous electronic designs.
        joezydeco 10y ago
        Yeah, unfortunately Apple can't stop everyone from making bad 5VDC bricks with USB sockets. Perhaps the "approved" cables have some kind of overvoltage protection in them, but otherwise that's always been a weak point.

by lawik 10y ago

IshKebab 10y ago

It's probably the most secure, but that's because they cheat and require a secure element in all products with a pre-shared key. Not a good solution in general.

lawik 10y ago
You mean that HomeKit-compatible products all need to include some kind of HomeKit-chip with a pre-shared key or something? I'm completely unfamiliar and a quick search on homekit and pre-shared key didn't make me wiser :)
- joezydeco 10y ago
  You don't even get to know what's inside HomeKit until you're an MFI-certified developer with Apple. And yes, there's a chip involved (again, which you can't even touch until you're an MFI licensee). The chip handles all the security protocols involved. https://mfi.apple.com/MFiWeb/getFAQ.action https://mfi.apple.com/MFiWeb/getFAQ.action
  - lawik 10y ago
    That doesn't sound in line with my preferences but quite Apple. So maybe high quality (hard to say?) but quite proprietary. Makes me curious about how that homebridge node thing makes it work.
    - joezydeco 10y ago
      Well, it's pretty simple. If you want into Apple's ecosystem, you follow their rules. They've hardware-locked many other external things (dongles, charging cables, etc). Cynics will say it's a money grab, proponents will say it greatly reduces or eliminates the risk of buying something that will not work right. Apple sells itself on the ability of their things working right out of the box.
      - Chaebixi 10y ago
        > proponents will say it greatly reduces or eliminates the risk of buying something that will not work right. IIRC, it's been shown that a massive percentage of the Apple chargers for sale on Amazon are difficult to spot counterfeits. Some of those use dangerous electronic designs.
        joezydeco 10y ago
        Yeah, unfortunately Apple can't stop everyone from making bad 5VDC bricks with USB sockets. Perhaps the "approved" cables have some kind of overvoltage protection in them, but otherwise that's always been a weak point.