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I wonder how this would effect STD rates in areas with bad sex ed? I could see a lot of people thinking 'don't need a condom because I can't make someone pregna

I wonder how this would effect STD rates in areas with bad sex ed? I could see a lot of people thinking 'don't need a condom because I can't make someone pregnant now'. Not that this product is a bad thing, very useful for people in monogamous relationships.

torrent-of-ions 10y ago
I can't see how it would have a positive effect. HIV infection rates in the gay community have shot up in recent years unfortunately as people have become complacent with condoms. Without the risk of pregnancy one can only assume the same thing will happen in the straight community.
- digitalsushi 10y ago
  To be fair, the straight and gay communities are really just opposite sides of the same fish tank, not two fish tanks, as a metaphor for compartmentalizing the sharing of diseases.
  - JshWright 10y ago
    It's still reasonable to differentiate the primary motivation for condom use in the two 'communities'.
- dionidium 10y ago
  Keep in mind that receptive anal sex carries a risk of infection 18 times higher than that of receptive vaginal sex. Moreover, receptive vaginal sex is twice as likely to result in infection as insertive vaginal sex. http://www.catie.ca/en/pif/summer-2012/putting-number-it-risk-exposure-hiv http://www.catie.ca/en/pif/summer-2012/putting-number-it-ris...
- sigmar 10y ago
  >HIV infection rates in the gay community have shot up in recent years unfortunately as people have become complacent with condoms. This is not accurate in the US. HIV diagnoses among gay men have increased less than 1% from 2010-2014 according to the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/ https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/
- tgragnato 10y ago
  There's a correlation between substance abuse (not addiction) and infections. > “Chemsex is a rapidly emerging pattern of drug use, not just amongst men who have sex with men as often assumed, but heterosexual patients as well,” Dr Richard Ma of the Royal College of GPs’ Sex Drugs Group told the Telegraph. [https://www.rt.com/uk/320758-chemsex-hiv-outbreak-doctors/ https://www.rt.com/uk/320758-chemsex-hiv-outbreak-doctors/] I see this as something related to the bar/disco/club culture rather than something linked to condoms.
adrianN 10y ago
I wonder if fewer unwanted children can lead to a reduction in STDs via economic effects, e.g. reduced poverty.
- k-mcgrady 10y ago
  Could you explain this further? I don't quite understand.
  - giarc 10y ago
    Not OP but argument is likely that condoms are expensive.
    - k-mcgrady 10y ago
      Depends I suppose. They're generally free from your local doctor/clinic/sexual health charity in the UK.
      - nommm-nommm 10y ago
        Planned Parenthood has a big bowl of them in the lobby. You can walk in there and grab a handful no questions asked. (In the US)
      - giarc 10y ago
        There can be a huge social stigma about walking into sexual health clinics. I'll provide an example. In my city, the old STD clinic was in a random building with mixed use (commercial, health, residential). The clinic was on the 5th floor and not marked. You only really knew it was a STD clinic if you had an appointment there. The clinic moved into a new building and were lucky to expand into a large space. Like many new buildings, way finding is important and the waiting room was marked with Sexual Health Clinic and the elevator level was marked with Sexual Health Clinic. Even though you don't need to use your own name at this clinic, they saw a huge decline in visits since it was quite obvious when someone was attending the clinic. People didn't want to be seen in the Sexual Health Clinic.
hn_throwaway_99 10y ago
I don't really see how this would be much different that the pill, though.
- _archon_ 10y ago
  There's likely a subset of men who wear condoms when sleeping around so they can decrease their risk of babies (a measure so they don't have to trust that the woman they're with is both on the pill and taking it regularly). They might not wear them if this contraceptive decreases pregnancy risk in a similar way. STDs may not seem risky enough to merit condoms for a portion of this subset. This smaller subset would be at higher risk of STDs if they adopt use of this contraceptive and stop condom use while still sleeping around. If the trend continued, the incidence of STDs would increase, which would change the risk factor of STDs, which would sway a subset back into condom use. All is balance.
Nelkins 10y ago
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/1996/07/more_sex_is_safer_sex.html http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/1996/0...
sandGorgon 10y ago
Glad you asked. So India in general has an extremely progressive acceptability for sex education. We have ads on national TV promoting condoms (by the govt. With Bollywood jingles) as well as female contraceptives. You can pretty much walk into any govt hospital (which are not much to look at) and get free contraceptives and contraception operative procedures. We have a huge govt funded initiative around sanitary napkins, which is also considered a marketing case study in general [1]. Remember this was done through schools. The contraception debate in the US (including abortion) seems weird. India does have a significant proportion of female foeticide for cultural reasons, which is why it is banned in India to do prenatal sex determination. This has entered the cultural psyche to such a degree, that my friends who have conceived in the USA, will explicitly tell their doctors to not tell them about the gender (yes. An Indian citizen can be arrested upon entry to India if it can be proved you paid for sex determination outside of India). However the impact of contraception innovation in India reaches far beyond it's shores. We are the largest supplier of generics and contraceptives to several third world countries including Africa. [1] https://scroll.in/article/802833/how-the-advertising-industry-persuaded-indian-women-to-start-wearing-sanitary-pads https://scroll.in/article/802833/how-the-advertising-industr...
- Cyph0n 10y ago
  Well, India is different I think because it's a matter of national importance. I guess the Indian government really has no other option besides forcing the idea of contraceptives onto the population. This is not a bad thing, but I just want to clarify that overpopulation is a very strong motivator, and is something that few countries in the world have to deal with.
  - JBReefer 10y ago
    Few Western countries. Population is a huge problem in much of Asia. We should all praise the success of Bangladesh in addressing the problem so quickly, they really dodged a bullet there.
    - e12e 10y ago

torrent-of-ions 10y ago

I can't see how it would have a positive effect. HIV infection rates in the gay community have shot up in recent years unfortunately as people have become complacent with condoms. Without the risk of pregnancy one can only assume the same thing will happen in the straight community.

digitalsushi 10y ago
To be fair, the straight and gay communities are really just opposite sides of the same fish tank, not two fish tanks, as a metaphor for compartmentalizing the sharing of diseases.
- JshWright 10y ago
  It's still reasonable to differentiate the primary motivation for condom use in the two 'communities'.
dionidium 10y ago
Keep in mind that receptive anal sex carries a risk of infection 18 times higher than that of receptive vaginal sex. Moreover, receptive vaginal sex is twice as likely to result in infection as insertive vaginal sex. http://www.catie.ca/en/pif/summer-2012/putting-number-it-risk-exposure-hiv http://www.catie.ca/en/pif/summer-2012/putting-number-it-ris...
sigmar 10y ago
>HIV infection rates in the gay community have shot up in recent years unfortunately as people have become complacent with condoms. This is not accurate in the US. HIV diagnoses among gay men have increased less than 1% from 2010-2014 according to the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/ https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/
tgragnato 10y ago
There's a correlation between substance abuse (not addiction) and infections. > “Chemsex is a rapidly emerging pattern of drug use, not just amongst men who have sex with men as often assumed, but heterosexual patients as well,” Dr Richard Ma of the Royal College of GPs’ Sex Drugs Group told the Telegraph. [https://www.rt.com/uk/320758-chemsex-hiv-outbreak-doctors/ https://www.rt.com/uk/320758-chemsex-hiv-outbreak-doctors/] I see this as something related to the bar/disco/club culture rather than something linked to condoms.

adrianN 10y ago

I wonder if fewer unwanted children can lead to a reduction in STDs via economic effects, e.g. reduced poverty.

k-mcgrady 10y ago
Could you explain this further? I don't quite understand.
- giarc 10y ago
  Not OP but argument is likely that condoms are expensive.
  - k-mcgrady 10y ago
    Depends I suppose. They're generally free from your local doctor/clinic/sexual health charity in the UK.
    - nommm-nommm 10y ago
      Planned Parenthood has a big bowl of them in the lobby. You can walk in there and grab a handful no questions asked. (In the US)
    - giarc 10y ago
      There can be a huge social stigma about walking into sexual health clinics. I'll provide an example. In my city, the old STD clinic was in a random building with mixed use (commercial, health, residential). The clinic was on the 5th floor and not marked. You only really knew it was a STD clinic if you had an appointment there. The clinic moved into a new building and were lucky to expand into a large space. Like many new buildings, way finding is important and the waiting room was marked with Sexual Health Clinic and the elevator level was marked with Sexual Health Clinic. Even though you don't need to use your own name at this clinic, they saw a huge decline in visits since it was quite obvious when someone was attending the clinic. People didn't want to be seen in the Sexual Health Clinic.

hn_throwaway_99 10y ago

I don't really see how this would be much different that the pill, though.

_archon_ 10y ago
There's likely a subset of men who wear condoms when sleeping around so they can decrease their risk of babies (a measure so they don't have to trust that the woman they're with is both on the pill and taking it regularly). They might not wear them if this contraceptive decreases pregnancy risk in a similar way. STDs may not seem risky enough to merit condoms for a portion of this subset. This smaller subset would be at higher risk of STDs if they adopt use of this contraceptive and stop condom use while still sleeping around. If the trend continued, the incidence of STDs would increase, which would change the risk factor of STDs, which would sway a subset back into condom use. All is balance.

Nelkins 10y ago

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/1996/07/more_sex_is_safer_sex.html http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/1996/0...

sandGorgon 10y ago

Glad you asked. So India in general has an extremely progressive acceptability for sex education. We have ads on national TV promoting condoms (by the govt. With Bollywood jingles) as well as female contraceptives. You can pretty much walk into any govt hospital (which are not much to look at) and get free contraceptives and contraception operative procedures. We have a huge govt funded initiative around sanitary napkins, which is also considered a marketing case study in general [1]. Remember this was done through schools. The contraception debate in the US (including abortion) seems weird. India does have a significant proportion of female foeticide for cultural reasons, which is why it is banned in India to do prenatal sex determination. This has entered the cultural psyche to such a degree, that my friends who have conceived in the USA, will explicitly tell their doctors to not tell them about the gender (yes. An Indian citizen can be arrested upon entry to India if it can be proved you paid for sex determination outside of India). However the impact of contraception innovation in India reaches far beyond it's shores. We are the largest supplier of generics and contraceptives to several third world countries including Africa. [1] https://scroll.in/article/802833/how-the-advertising-industry-persuaded-indian-women-to-start-wearing-sanitary-pads https://scroll.in/article/802833/how-the-advertising-industr...

Cyph0n 10y ago
Well, India is different I think because it's a matter of national importance. I guess the Indian government really has no other option besides forcing the idea of contraceptives onto the population. This is not a bad thing, but I just want to clarify that overpopulation is a very strong motivator, and is something that few countries in the world have to deal with.
- JBReefer 10y ago
  Few Western countries. Population is a huge problem in much of Asia. We should all praise the success of Bangladesh in addressing the problem so quickly, they really dodged a bullet there.
  - e12e 10y ago