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Google Glass is nothing compared to real AR like Microsoft Hololens. And for Enterprise solutions, 2k for these glasses vs 3k for a hololens Dev kit is nothing.

by sand500 10y ago

baby 10y ago
> Google Glass is nothing compared to real AR like Microsoft Hololens You can't wear Microsoft Hololens outside of your office, far from your desktop. Also I'm saying that, but it's a bit silly to entertain this discussion as they are two completely unrelated products. Mircosoft Hololens is AR as in Augmented Reality while Glass is a UI floating on your face.
- deanclatworthy 10y ago
  > You can't wear Microsoft Hololens outside of your office, far from your desktop. Yes you can assuming wifi is in range. The Hololens is great. There is no cable. The battery life is reasonable. The field of view is awful but usable. We have been using one at the office and I'm very impressed with how accurately and quickly it maps out a space. I don't think they are so different. In fact anything glass can do hololens will do better.
  - Sologram 10y ago
    Google glass is a remote display on ur eyes. Meaning a screen attached to your glasses. They are entirely different. Hololens is an entirely new beast. Comparing them because both can play youtube is every journalist's mistake and uneducated journalists created that mistake. Hololens can not be used outside in a bright day light. Hololens can be used any where. WiFI is not needed all time for Hololens. WiFi is needed only for the APPs which needs them as in some APPs in phones. You can connect the Hololens to wifi(hotspot) in any smartphone.
- H4CK3RM4N 10y ago
  My impression was that the Hololens kits ran W10, albeit an embedded version, natively. The fact that you need to spell out the difference between full AR and glass also seems to show how poorly Microsoft has communicated the potential of AR.
- modeless 10y ago
  > You can't wear Microsoft Hololens outside of your office, far from your desktop. This is not true. Hololens is untethered and there's nothing preventing you from using it anywhere. Well, nothing except the fact that it's bulkier and heavier than Glass and obscures your face too much for use in social situations. The real reason why AR isn't better than Glass for this kind of thing is that AR tracking and recognition of objects is not good enough for real applications yet. On Glass as reported in the article you have to scan a code to identify an object you're holding. In people's imaginations, an AR device would magically recognize the object and overlay useful informational displays on it as you turn it in your hands. In reality Hololens is not even close to being able to do this, so you would be reduced to scanning codes just like on Glass.
  - smallegan 10y ago
    It has to map the area around you so it has a really hard time being used outdoors and is almost completely unusable when moving in a vehicle.
  - deanclatworthy 10y ago
    This is the second misconception I've read in this thread so far. I was at a conference in finland this year and a huge company called ABB was there with a holo lens demo. They had a hololens you could wear to see how to repair some mechanical unit. The hololens was able to recognise the unit from its previous mapping of the object and project AR on to it. They moved the unit and it still was able to almost instantaneously detect it. The technology is here. It's ready. And it's already in use.
    - modeless 10y ago
      Hololens can display 3D annotations that have been prearranged on a mostly static, previously mapped environment. It cannot map moving or non-rigid objects in dynamic environments and it cannot identify or track small objects that you are holding in your hands, unless maybe you stick giant fiducial markers on them.
      - 10y ago
- sand500 10y ago
  >Mircosoft Hololens is AR as in Augmented Reality while Glass is a UI floating on your face. Google marketed Glass as AR but it turned out to be just a Floating UI. That is why it failed imo. Hololens is what we were promised for a relatively similar price point.
  - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
    To be fair, Google's AR example of Glass was it's marketing concept video, but never shown or advertised as a feature of the released product.
H4CK3RM4N 10y ago
But if both of these were to have production scaled up for industrial use, I feel that a Glass like product would be able to hit a far lower price point.
Merad 10y ago
Agreed. I got to go to a hands on demo of Hololens last year focusing on potential enterprise applications, and was extremely impressed. What they have right now is very much an alpha (maybe beta) product, but the list of potential applications is enormous.
alistproducer2 10y ago
I tried the halolens at united this year. Wearing it for 5 minutes was unbearable. I quit the demo early because the apparatus was uncomfortable. The field of vision was really small and the illusion was broken really easily. Obviously the tech should get better, but it was no where near prime time.
bitmapbrother 10y ago
Calling Hololens "real AR" when the FOV is the size of a postage stamp and needs a large computer just to power it is like calling a Ford Fiesta a supercar.
- sand500 10y ago
  I agree that FOV is very small but all of the hololens software runs on the headset itself. It works untethered with it's own wifi and battery.
- SturgeonsLaw 10y ago
  In a world of Model Ts, a Ford Fiesta is a supercar
Cacti 10y ago
It depends on what you're doing. Crawling around on or inside a plane, for example, would be a bad idea with a hololens, but perfect for Glass. It's not a 'one size fits all' situation.
- sand500 10y ago
  If you are inside a plane, you are already should be wearing a hear hat. Probably could mod a Holo lens into a hard hat form factor instead of just a bulky headset?
  - josephpmay 10y ago
    What you're looking for: https://daqri.com/products/smart-helmet/ https://daqri.com/products/smart-helmet/
    - sand500 10y ago
      Oh looks cool. Haven't tried it before so I wonder how it compares to the AR of hololens.
seanmcdirmid 10y ago
Weight is an issue. The two devices are not completely comparable.

Google Glass is nothing compared to real AR like Microsoft Hololens. And for Enterprise solutions, 2k for these glasses vs 3k for a hololens Dev kit is nothing.

by sand500 10y ago

Google Glass is nothing compared to real AR like Microsoft Hololens. And for Enterprise solutions, 2k for these glasses vs 3k for a hololens Dev kit is nothing.

baby 10y ago

> Google Glass is nothing compared to real AR like Microsoft Hololens You can't wear Microsoft Hololens outside of your office, far from your desktop. Also I'm saying that, but it's a bit silly to entertain this discussion as they are two completely unrelated products. Mircosoft Hololens is AR as in Augmented Reality while Glass is a UI floating on your face.

deanclatworthy 10y ago
> You can't wear Microsoft Hololens outside of your office, far from your desktop. Yes you can assuming wifi is in range. The Hololens is great. There is no cable. The battery life is reasonable. The field of view is awful but usable. We have been using one at the office and I'm very impressed with how accurately and quickly it maps out a space. I don't think they are so different. In fact anything glass can do hololens will do better.
- Sologram 10y ago
  Google glass is a remote display on ur eyes. Meaning a screen attached to your glasses. They are entirely different. Hololens is an entirely new beast. Comparing them because both can play youtube is every journalist's mistake and uneducated journalists created that mistake. Hololens can not be used outside in a bright day light. Hololens can be used any where. WiFI is not needed all time for Hololens. WiFi is needed only for the APPs which needs them as in some APPs in phones. You can connect the Hololens to wifi(hotspot) in any smartphone.
H4CK3RM4N 10y ago
My impression was that the Hololens kits ran W10, albeit an embedded version, natively. The fact that you need to spell out the difference between full AR and glass also seems to show how poorly Microsoft has communicated the potential of AR.
modeless 10y ago
> You can't wear Microsoft Hololens outside of your office, far from your desktop. This is not true. Hololens is untethered and there's nothing preventing you from using it anywhere. Well, nothing except the fact that it's bulkier and heavier than Glass and obscures your face too much for use in social situations. The real reason why AR isn't better than Glass for this kind of thing is that AR tracking and recognition of objects is not good enough for real applications yet. On Glass as reported in the article you have to scan a code to identify an object you're holding. In people's imaginations, an AR device would magically recognize the object and overlay useful informational displays on it as you turn it in your hands. In reality Hololens is not even close to being able to do this, so you would be reduced to scanning codes just like on Glass.
- smallegan 10y ago
  It has to map the area around you so it has a really hard time being used outdoors and is almost completely unusable when moving in a vehicle.
- deanclatworthy 10y ago
  This is the second misconception I've read in this thread so far. I was at a conference in finland this year and a huge company called ABB was there with a holo lens demo. They had a hololens you could wear to see how to repair some mechanical unit. The hololens was able to recognise the unit from its previous mapping of the object and project AR on to it. They moved the unit and it still was able to almost instantaneously detect it. The technology is here. It's ready. And it's already in use.
  - modeless 10y ago
    Hololens can display 3D annotations that have been prearranged on a mostly static, previously mapped environment. It cannot map moving or non-rigid objects in dynamic environments and it cannot identify or track small objects that you are holding in your hands, unless maybe you stick giant fiducial markers on them.
    - 10y ago
sand500 10y ago
>Mircosoft Hololens is AR as in Augmented Reality while Glass is a UI floating on your face. Google marketed Glass as AR but it turned out to be just a Floating UI. That is why it failed imo. Hololens is what we were promised for a relatively similar price point.
- ocdtrekkie 10y ago
  To be fair, Google's AR example of Glass was it's marketing concept video, but never shown or advertised as a feature of the released product.

H4CK3RM4N 10y ago

But if both of these were to have production scaled up for industrial use, I feel that a Glass like product would be able to hit a far lower price point.

Merad 10y ago

Agreed. I got to go to a hands on demo of Hololens last year focusing on potential enterprise applications, and was extremely impressed. What they have right now is very much an alpha (maybe beta) product, but the list of potential applications is enormous.

alistproducer2 10y ago

I tried the halolens at united this year. Wearing it for 5 minutes was unbearable. I quit the demo early because the apparatus was uncomfortable. The field of vision was really small and the illusion was broken really easily. Obviously the tech should get better, but it was no where near prime time.

bitmapbrother 10y ago

Calling Hololens "real AR" when the FOV is the size of a postage stamp and needs a large computer just to power it is like calling a Ford Fiesta a supercar.

sand500 10y ago
I agree that FOV is very small but all of the hololens software runs on the headset itself. It works untethered with it's own wifi and battery.
SturgeonsLaw 10y ago
In a world of Model Ts, a Ford Fiesta is a supercar

Cacti 10y ago

It depends on what you're doing. Crawling around on or inside a plane, for example, would be a bad idea with a hololens, but perfect for Glass. It's not a 'one size fits all' situation.

sand500 10y ago
If you are inside a plane, you are already should be wearing a hear hat. Probably could mod a Holo lens into a hard hat form factor instead of just a bulky headset?
- josephpmay 10y ago
  What you're looking for: https://daqri.com/products/smart-helmet/ https://daqri.com/products/smart-helmet/
  - sand500 10y ago
    Oh looks cool. Haven't tried it before so I wonder how it compares to the AR of hololens.

seanmcdirmid 10y ago

Weight is an issue. The two devices are not completely comparable.