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This is why you don't build on someone else's platform. Apple/Google/Platform Owner will always do what's right for them, not the customer, and not the develop

This is why you don't build on someone else's platform. Apple/Google/Platform Owner will always do what's right for them, not the customer, and not the developer, for example banning Amazon from selling books in their kindle app, not allowing competing browsers (they recognise the power of the web as a platform), not allowing competing sales mechanisms (where they don't get a cut), and here not allowing developers to update their apps except through the store mechanism. I have some sympathy with Apple here, and see why they're doing it (they have to control what software is installed for security reasons as well as platform protection), but this is all about control over what you install on your own device. Sometimes their actions will be in the best interests of customers, even if not the best interests of developers, but most of the time their actions are simply aimed at preserving their control of the platform and control of the money flowing through it. The web is the one exception to this rule which works across all platforms and devices (because it is so dumb and simple), and has survived attempts to corral it to a walled-in commercial offering remarkably well.

ChrisMorrisOrg 10y ago
I agree - they're definitely putting the customer's security first. If people want to use an open environment, the web browser is always available on iOS anyway. Apple are completely within their rights to restrict their application platform.
- trhway 10y ago
  >Apple are completely within their rights to restrict their application platform. it is like to say that GM is completely withing their rights to restrict where you can drive your GM car. Mind you, that is coming in pretty near future too - giving all the computerization/connectivity/self-driving of the cars which would make the cars into GM's "application platform" with DMCA protecting such a platform too like it protects Apple/Google/FB/etc...
  - bluesign 10y ago
    Actually it is more like GM preventing you to update some software components in your car, which almost all car manufacturers do.
  - briandear 10y ago
    Not the same thing. It's like GM telling aftermarket accessories manufacturers that if they want to sell their products through GM dealers that they must meet GM standards. The inability to use Rollout has no real impact on consumers.. except by improving safety.
    - trhway 10y ago
      >if they want to sell their products through GM dealers that they must meet GM standards. i wonder whether you're intentionally skipped that part or just don't know that in case of non-jailbroken iPhone the "GM dealers" is the only way to get "aftermarket accessories". There is no "if they want to sell their products through", instead there is "if they want to sell their products at all".
carterehsmith 10y ago
Try making e.g. a game that is not on someone else's platform. Make a game that is not for PC or XBox or PS or Nintendo or iOS or Android or Facebook or Java or whatever. Count money. Oops, there isn't any. Or, try making a Photoshop clone, CAD software or similar without being on someone else's platform. Oops. "it don't work" :)
- chii 10y ago
  there are many games not in platforms you listed. those games are called board games, and they have been a resurgence of them lately. as for video games, yes you'll be beholden to the platforms you build it under. this is why I say to devs, always build it cross platform!
- Nexxxeh 10y ago
  I hope you are wrong. Age of Ascent did play tests that were rather fun (and impressive) when I caught them, and that's in-browser no-plugin.
- Vendan 10y ago
  You are confusing platforms though. The various app stores are vastly different then how it works on Windows, and PC in general for that matter. I get to choose all the way down to the OS, very few phones get that kind of choice. On top of that, iPhone app store is one of the most controlling out there. Even android allows you to install out of band, and to install other app stores and that kind of thing.
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- Dylan16807 10y ago
  > Make a game that is not for PC Or is the right challenge "make a game for PC that isn't in the microsoft app store"? Which is in fact no hindrance at all. It's not really "someone else's platform" just by using someone's software. They have to be in control.

ChrisMorrisOrg 10y ago

I agree - they're definitely putting the customer's security first. If people want to use an open environment, the web browser is always available on iOS anyway. Apple are completely within their rights to restrict their application platform.

trhway 10y ago
>Apple are completely within their rights to restrict their application platform. it is like to say that GM is completely withing their rights to restrict where you can drive your GM car. Mind you, that is coming in pretty near future too - giving all the computerization/connectivity/self-driving of the cars which would make the cars into GM's "application platform" with DMCA protecting such a platform too like it protects Apple/Google/FB/etc...
- bluesign 10y ago
  Actually it is more like GM preventing you to update some software components in your car, which almost all car manufacturers do.
- briandear 10y ago
  Not the same thing. It's like GM telling aftermarket accessories manufacturers that if they want to sell their products through GM dealers that they must meet GM standards. The inability to use Rollout has no real impact on consumers.. except by improving safety.
  - trhway 10y ago
    >if they want to sell their products through GM dealers that they must meet GM standards. i wonder whether you're intentionally skipped that part or just don't know that in case of non-jailbroken iPhone the "GM dealers" is the only way to get "aftermarket accessories". There is no "if they want to sell their products through", instead there is "if they want to sell their products at all".

carterehsmith 10y ago

Try making e.g. a game that is not on someone else's platform. Make a game that is not for PC or XBox or PS or Nintendo or iOS or Android or Facebook or Java or whatever. Count money. Oops, there isn't any. Or, try making a Photoshop clone, CAD software or similar without being on someone else's platform. Oops. "it don't work" :)

chii 10y ago
there are many games not in platforms you listed. those games are called board games, and they have been a resurgence of them lately. as for video games, yes you'll be beholden to the platforms you build it under. this is why I say to devs, always build it cross platform!
Nexxxeh 10y ago
I hope you are wrong. Age of Ascent did play tests that were rather fun (and impressive) when I caught them, and that's in-browser no-plugin.
Vendan 10y ago
You are confusing platforms though. The various app stores are vastly different then how it works on Windows, and PC in general for that matter. I get to choose all the way down to the OS, very few phones get that kind of choice. On top of that, iPhone app store is one of the most controlling out there. Even android allows you to install out of band, and to install other app stores and that kind of thing.
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Dylan16807 10y ago
> Make a game that is not for PC Or is the right challenge "make a game for PC that isn't in the microsoft app store"? Which is in fact no hindrance at all. It's not really "someone else's platform" just by using someone's software. They have to be in control.