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Visual Studio 2017 Launch [video]

242 points by JacobLinney 10y ago

ramshanker 10y ago
I am on bazel learning curve and was searching to integrate Bazel build system with visual studio (xamarin) project, apparently Bazel support for windows is still too nascent. I home something comes up on this lines.
jhasse 10y ago
I really hope they add wildcard (e. g. src/*.cpp) support in C++ project files
- TillE 10y ago
  Does that feature exist in other Visual Studio project types? There's always CMake to help in situations like that.
  - zamalek 10y ago
    It does and can most likely be enabled by editing the vcxproj directly. Edit: something along the lines of: <ItemGroup> <Content Include="**\*.h" /> <Content Include="**\*.cpp" /> </ItemGroup> Edit: see response.
    - ebattalio 10y ago
      This is correct, take a look at https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/msbuild/msbuild-items https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/msbuild/msbuil... and child topics on inclusion/exclusion. -eric PM, VC++ team
      - int_19h 10y ago
        While it does work in the builds, the IDE is not supporting this particularly well. As another comment pointed out, changes on the filesystem are not automatically detected. Also, some IDE functionality doesn't work propetly in a project with <ClCompile Include="*.cpp"/> - for example, Add New/Existing Item fails with an error.
    - stinos 10y ago
      That should probably be <ClCompile Include="**\*.cpp" /> at least if you want to get the sources compiled
- cobalt 10y ago
  It does support it (though, it can use a lot of CPU for some reason)
- Pxtl 10y ago
  Visual studio already supports this in 2015 and older iirc, at least for C# and SQL projects, but it's an undocumented feature. You have to close and re-open the project if you add/remove a file so it notices that it's different. part of the new project system that grew out of the ill-fated project.json is to make this a first-class experience, but again that's focusing on the .csproj, I have no idea if it applies to C++.
  - int_19h 10y ago
    It also works in C++ projects. But it breaks a bunch of IDE stuff, e.g. Add New Item.
vladimirralev 10y ago
So is there a Mac version?
- LyalinDotCom 10y ago
  It's not GA yet (only Visual Studio 2017 for Windows is GA today) but we have shipped an update so Visual Studio for Mac Preview 4 is now available. Details: https://blog.xamarin.com/better-apps-visual-studio-2017/ https://blog.xamarin.com/better-apps-visual-studio-2017/
  - evo_9 10y ago
    So this is full, 100% Visual Studio for Mac (soonish), or is it Xamarin Studio rebranded?
    - LyalinDotCom 10y ago
      Visual Studio for Mac will be our Mac IDE going forward and will grow in features, sure its past is Xamarin Studio but its future will have A LOT of investment so its worth checking out in Preview 4.
      - sigzero 10y ago
        I am pretty excited to see where MS takes this.
      - CyberDildonics 10y ago
        So the answer was no
        baldfat 10y ago
        > So this is full, 100% Visual Studio for Mac (soonish), or is it Xamarin Studio rebranded? No isn't an answer to that question. > Visual Studio for Mac will be our Mac IDE going forward and will grow in features, sure its past is Xamarin Studio but its future will have A LOT of investment so its worth checking out in Preview 4. Is a good answer to that question.
MichaelApproved 10y ago
It's a live video stream, so you might be watching in the middle. Jump to the 1:10:00 mark to start watching at the beginning of the presentation.
LyalinDotCom 10y ago
Its a great sense of relief to finally ship this product, we really hope folks give it a try and join our live keynote which is streaming now at http://launch.visualstudio.com http://launch.visualstudio.com
- erryoiruye 10y ago
  Lyalin, the download links seems to be broken? Tried with multiple browsers now, no download is starting :( https://www.visualstudio.com/thank-you-downloading-visual-studio/?sku=Community&rel=15 https://www.visualstudio.com/thank-you-downloading-visual-st...
  - argio 10y ago
    Worked after 10 tries or so. Just keep clicking retry
    - LyalinDotCom 10y ago
      hmm very strange ill report it to the team, thank you both
    - erryoiruye 10y ago
      Thanks, got the vs_Community.exe after a bunch of tries.
- wmccullough 10y ago
  I'm loving it already. I was able to update from RC to RTM within 20 minutes on two machines with no hiccups. I was expecting hours of downtime. This is great stuff!
  - tracker1 10y ago
    Definitely sounds much better than <= 2015, where you may as well walk away for a few hours... and hope it doesn't hang for some weird reason.
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petercooper 10y ago
I don't use them very much, but this stream reminds me Microsoft really does a fantastic job of presenting its work in the developer tools space.
- LyalinDotCom 10y ago
  thank you, we worked very hard on this keynote and the two day agenda. Today after keynote we'll have various interviews with Brian Harry, Miguel de Icaza, Julia Liuson and others. We'll then do various technical demos on top product features. Tomorrow we have a full day of training for both a Web and App development track. Hope folks tune in and all the details are up on http://launch.visualstudio.com http://launch.visualstudio.com
partycoder 10y ago
I've used Visual Studio for many years. Visual Studio 5.0 was very responsive. Visual Studio 2015 is not as responsive. Nowadays it seemes a bit bloated, even after disabling unused plugins and features. Switched to CLion and Rider, which are not known for their speed, but feel more responsible than VS to me. That and a more affordable price and cross-platform support.
- tony2016 10y ago
  There's so much productivity features in VS there's no excuse to invest in a faster machine. Or add more memory. Memory is cheap.
- LyalinDotCom 10y ago
  I am sorry we lost you and we're very aware of the need to improve IDE performance and have invested a lot into this release towards that goal. Just one example to read is this blog series when the product was still codenamed VS "15". https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/14/improved-overall-visual-studio-15-responsiveness/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/14/imp... (VS "15" is Visual Studio 2017) We also have Visual Studio Code for those who want a lighter code editor, see: http://code.visualstudio.com http://code.visualstudio.com
  - partycoder 10y ago
    The perceived performance might not be necessarily only due to Visual Studio itself. Could also have to do with the filesystem in newer versions of Windows (file operations seem slower in modern versions), the shell, background services and other characteristics of the OS.
    - LyalinDotCom 10y ago
      I help launch products here at Microsoft and run developer events (including this launch) but at heart and for 18+ years I'm a developer first, and I can totally relate to what you mean in terms of everything being part of the bigger story that matters. I am very biased so don't listen to me lol, but I do think Windows 10 and the various developer tools release we've done over the last few years have really pushed things forward but of course we are very much listening to our community so please make your voice heard.
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erryoiruye 10y ago
Where did the ISO:s go? Please give us something with a known hash. I attempted to create the offline installer [1] but the vs_community.exe just silently quit after some mintues, having downloaded only some certificates. The custom download idea is easily planted with malware and all those bad things. Also, please consider upgrading from SHA-1. > We understand that a lot of customers want an offline installer for Visual Studio 2017. Even though we don't offer an ISO image, it's easy to create your own. 1: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/install/create-an-offline-installation-of-visual-studio https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/install/create...
- LyalinDotCom 10y ago
  Due to licensing complexity of today's installer we just can't make the ISO for you but in the link above as you pointed out you can create your own. We're sorry for that but its what we can offer today.
  - erryoiruye 10y ago
    Okay, well. Will MSDN subscribers get iso's eventually? It seems also to be broken, or your servers are choked :-(
    - LyalinDotCom 10y ago
      Demand is very high but honestly I'm not 100% aware of MSDN Subscriber ISO status. I will report this comment to that team though
  - jasode 10y ago
    Fyi... I just tried the offline download and after 34 minutes, it is hung and won't finish. The command line I used: vs_Enterprise.exe --layout z:\VS2017_RTM --lang en-US last lines of the console: ... Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=823168' succeeded using engine 'WebClient' Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=833503' succeeded using engine 'WebClient' Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=833501' succeeded using engine 'WebClient' Download of 'https://download.microsoft.com/download/B/5/5/B55373E5-8948-41DF-B1D5-F60896104294/WinSdkInstall.ps1' succeeded using engine 'WebClient' Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=838828' succeeded using engine 'WebClient' stats of the target directory so far: 2,631 Files, 1,005 Folders total 14,444,652,261 bytes I previously got the offline download to complete with version RC1 in November 2016 but RC2 in Janurary 2017 always hung in the same spot. I didn't pursue RC2 troubleshooting since RTM would be available a month later and I hoped whatever problem with RC2 would be resolved in RTM. Well, it still doesn't work. Please let the MS team know that there's something about the offline download ("--layout" option) that's fragile and prone to hang. I don't believe it's an issue with overloaded servers because when I tried multiple times with RC2, it always hung on the exact same file whether it was morning/night/ weekday/weekend. I suspect the current problem is similar. I took a screenshot of the hung process for RC2 in January and it seems to hang right after downloading WinSdkInstall.ps1 which is similar to RTM behavior: RC2 hung in January: http://imgur.com/a/uwfoj http://imgur.com/a/uwfoj RTM hung in March (today): http://imgur.com/a/QxqC3 http://imgur.com/a/QxqC3
LyalinDotCom 10y ago
Also folks should check out or comprehensive release notes: https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/news/releasenotes/vs2017-relnotes https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/news/releasenotes/vs2017-...
- pornel 10y ago
  Sadly no mention of any improvements to their C compiler :( The C99 support is still incomplete and it looks like MS has given up on C.
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    It is called Visual C++ and hence the focus is on C++. The only C related updates are done to the extent as required by ANSI C++. For anyone else that still wants to write straight C, there are other compilers and Microsoft has integrated clang's frontend with VC++ backend. This has already been communicated in a few places. Cloudfare's crash just proved once more why the world needs less C.
    - xorblurb 10y ago
      Your last sentence is curious because it's highly debatable whether the world needs less C to get more C++ ...
      - pjmlp 10y ago
        C++ provides the tools that C lacks for writing safer code. Of course it doesn't help if people write "C with C++ compiler" and better alternatives are desired, where copy-pasting C code is not possible. Eventually one of the current candidates will won over the roles of C and C++, except for environments married with C, like UNIX derivatives. Until then, when the choice boils down only to C vs C++, there is no question that in regards to language features for writing safer code, C++ is the only possible answer.
        xorblurb 10y ago
hackcrafter 10y ago
Very cool that their "Mobile Center" SDK has React Native support. [0] This looks very feature competitive with the "AWS Mobile Hub", even going beyond it with its CI app build integration with GitHub and device simulators! Also, although they announced Amazon Pinpoint in December, there is still no support for it in their "beta" React Native Mobile SDK [0] (Which has had no commits in 5 months) [0] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/mobile-center/sdk/getting-started/React-Native https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/mobile-center/sdk/getting-s... [1] https://github.com/awslabs/aws-sdk-react-native https://github.com/awslabs/aws-sdk-react-native
- LyalinDotCom 10y ago
  We also have a new video on Mobile Center if you're interested, we just released it as part of launch event: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Visual-Studio/Visual-Studio-2017-Launch/T116 https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Visual-Studio/Visual-Studio... (its by the product team)
  - hackcrafter 10y ago
    I'm curious if CodePush[0] can be used along side (or integrated into) Mobile Center. That seems like a no-brainer if you are supporting React Native based apps. Also, I didn't see any support for platform native Notification APIs for React Native. The current notification service is for pure-JS / Cordova[1] [0] https://microsoft.github.io/code-push/ https://microsoft.github.io/code-push/ [1] https://azure.github.io/azure-mobile-apps-js-client/ https://azure.github.io/azure-mobile-apps-js-client/
    - axemclion 10y ago
      Yes, CodePush can be used with Mobile Center - here is a demo video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfqZ8Uy2p3U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfqZ8Uy2p3U) CodePush will also be integrated into Mobile Center, so that you can also making CodePush a part of your CI process. We are also working on adding support for Authentication, storage, testing and Push notifications. [I am the PM on CodePush and React Native Mobile Center stuff]
romanovcode 10y ago
I'm super excited about VS2017. But excuse me this launch video (beginning, with Chinese presenter) is super cringe-inducing. Horrible.
- LyalinDotCom 10y ago
  We're a worldwide company that embraces diversity and benefits hugely for it, so honestly I am disappointed very much with your comment.
  - romanovcode 10y ago
    You can do that, but without pushing it down my throat using people who are clearly are not interested in participating in said activities.
    - nathanm412 10y ago
      This announcement wasn't targeted to just you individually. I don't see "Visual Studio 2017 Launch Video for overly sensitive romanovcode" anywhere in the title. Do you not think that the Corporate Vice President of Visual Studio would be a qualified person to be speaking during this event? No one is forcing you to participate in watching this video. The whole industry would do better without people like you. In fact, it is!
      - aanm1988 10y ago
        > Do you not think that the Corporate Vice President of Visual Studio would be a qualified person to be speaking during this event? Public speaking and the ability to give a presentation well don't necessarily follow from that title.
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  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    FWIW I took the ethnic descriptor just as a bookmark not as a condemnation of the person. I think they were referring to the scripted father/daughter bits and the "oh wow you were 6 thats great", not anything about the presenters accent or background. Probably not relevant for an HN comment, but also probably not anti diversity.
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n00b101 10y ago
I'm excited to use VS 2017 and generally very pleased with their C++ language support and integrations like git and cmake. It's a minor nitpick, but I must say I was disappointed to see this issue unceremoniously closed: https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-studio-ide/suggestions/5672660-improve-intellisense-tooltip-for-make-shared-make https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-stud...
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- sundvor 10y ago
  Your comment must have been seen, as it was just reopened and put on backlog. Hi, MS team members! :)
- ebattalio 10y ago
  It has been reopened. I am curious, did you vote for this item? If so, did you receive an email when we closed it? Thanks! Eric, VC++ Team
  - n00b101 10y ago
    Cool! No I had not voted, but did now.
    - ebattalio 10y ago
      :D
mistermann 10y ago
For those who don't know, VS community is feature wise almost identical to professional, less CodeLens, Azure benefits, and TFS features. https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/compare/ https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/compare/
- gnud 10y ago
  Note that you can't use VS community for your work if your organization has either of 1) more than 5 developers 2) more than $1 mill in revenue 3) more than 250 computers
  - gruez 10y ago
    >more than 5 developers *more than 5 developers using visual studio community
    - gnud 10y ago
      Good point, thanks. Still close to useless for professional use, which I guess is Microsofts idea.
      - Raphmedia 10y ago
        Good enough if your company has a small but experienced IT department with a few designers, a bunch of front-end guys on SublimeText and a handful of .NET guys.
      - chrisbennet 10y ago
        Same as Apple - they don't have a free edition of the MacBook Pro. ;-) As a one man shop, I used to buy Visual Studio but now I don't, so I'm thankful for the Community Edition.
  - user5994461 10y ago
    What happened to VS express?
douche 10y ago
Someday I hope it finally gets ported to x64 so that it can use more than a tiny fraction of the RAM in my desktop, instead of page thrashing all the time.
- xorblurb 10y ago
  There seems to be some people in the IDE team who believe that a 32-bits only IDE is a feature and not a bug, including for reasons as fun as because it crashes sooner in case of memory leaks... I guess eventually those people will move to other things and/or the market pressure will be such that we will see a 64-bits IDE. Just don't know exactly when...
  - Metasyntactic 10y ago
    Hi Xorblurb :) I'm a dev on the "IDE team" :) We've actually done a huge amount of work investigating and addressing perf issues and working to create an architecture that can scale well. 64bits is not a panacea. And if we had simply moved to that, most people would find that their IDE was using much more ram AND behaving more sluggishly. We decided to invest our energies in work that would actually benefit the vast majority of customers. This led to efforts that we were able to demonstrably measure as producing better experiences for people. If there's a point that 64bit will actually produce better results for people, we'll gladly move to it. Thanks!
    - xorblurb 10y ago
      I'm sure you carefully evaluated the pro and cons and that for now the best option for customers, also maybe given the state of your code (I've got no idea if you have problems in that area or not, but hypothetically this is the kind of thing that could have an impact) and your resources and what you want to do with such resources, is to stick to 32-bits. Because, well, you did stick to 32-bits, and it does not suck (although I've never tried to open extremely huge projects in VS) But I also "know", and you also maybe secretly "know", that you will eventually move to 64-bits :P I completely don't know when, and I would completely understand that neither do you, and I would also understand that there is currently no immediate plan to move. But eventually you just will. Now, ok, I'm not 100% sure about that. But my mind would be overly blown if this does not happen (given I don't have a clue of when, I guess I could have to wait for 20 years to see if my mind is blown or not :P ). I mean come on, even iPhone programs are 64-bits now. (You know what this reminds me of a little bit?: Mozilla not working on a multiprocess architecture as a priority a while ago...)
interdrift 10y ago
VS 2017 is rounding up to be the best 2017 yet released. It's much faster and packed with tons of useful new features. Pretty happy with using it!
- interdrift 10y ago
  Now only if u would fix the damn XAML editor crashes!
  - moogly 10y ago
    Have you checked out Ammy[1]? It's been great to me so far. It does hot code reloading during runtime, so no need for a crummy designer that crashes 30 times every day (the XAML designer isn't 100% WYSIWYG anyway). Plus, IMO, the language is a lot more readable and enjoyable to author in than overly verbose XAML. [1]: http://www.ammyui.com/ http://www.ammyui.com/
jra101 10y ago
What happen to Python support? It was supported in the release candidate.
- int_19h 10y ago
  Please read this: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/pythonengineering/2017/02/22/python-in-vs2017/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/pythonengineering/2017/02/2... And this: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/pythonengineering/2017/03/07/python-support-in-vs2017/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/pythonengineering/2017/03/0...
  - jra101 10y ago
    Perfect, thank you.
snarfy 10y ago
I just want to say thanks to the VS team for all their hard work. VS is by far my favorite MS product.
DashRattlesnake 10y ago
Does anyone know how to unsubscribe from the "Your Visual Studio Subscriptions update for March" spam emails from Microsoft? I think they're super annoying, and have no unsubscribe instructions at all. I just got one announcing this launch.
- will_hughes 10y ago
  Microsoft emails are absurdly hard to unsubscribe from. I've had to resort to dropping MS domains at our exchange edge to stop receiving them. Their Azure sales team are even worse - I've actually had to shout (repeatedly) at them to stop them from calling me, all because I wanted to try Azure AD as a test. They're on my permanent blacklist now, I won't even consider Azure because of the constant harassment over email and phone.
  - greggyb 10y ago
    The answer to any sales calls that won't stop (I found this out by happenstance): "We're a consultancy selling services for these tools/products." or "We're a competitor, and I registered for your free trial for competitive research." In my case, these are true answers, but I never get more than one sales call from anyone. I can't help you on the email front, but it's easy to set up filters for those.
Jare 10y ago
Is it viable for those of us with only a handful of GB free in our C: drives? 2015 and previous would only put a few bits in the "install location", and still pollute the C: drive with up to 20 GB of stuff of hardcoded paths.
- yiwang110 10y ago
  LOL - typical MS software.
- Jare 10y ago
  I installed the basic C++ tools (precompiled modules, Win10 and 8.1 SDKs, etc) and it has taken 2.5GB out of my C: drive (hardcoded location for the Windows 10 Kit apparently) plus 2GB on my install location. Then I added NodeJS tools and everything went into the C: drive. If I select Cordova and other Android and mobile stuff it quickly complains that I do not have enough space - which suggests these tools and SDKs are hardcoded to C: as well. I have not investigated in more detail.
  - hackinthebochs 10y ago
    Windows junctions to the rescue
    - Jare 10y ago
      I recall from previous versions that attempting to use junctions would seriously screw up the updater. Given the amount of problems I had to completely uninstall vs2015 a while ago, I totally believe it.
cm2187 10y ago
Usually a new version of VS comes with a new version of the .net framework. It doesn't seem to be the case here. I can't see the tuples announced for VB for instance. I am getting an error with Dim p As (x As Integer, y As Integer) saying that I am missing a reference to 'System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TupleElementNamesAttribute' (but if tuples are part of the language why do I need an external reference? and this assembly doesn't seem to exist anyway). In fact right now a simple empty command line program containing nothing more than the below hangs the VS IDE completely... Module Module1 Sub Main() Dim p As (x As Integer, y As Integer) End Sub End Module
- louthy 10y ago
  I can't comment for VB or the error you're getting, but System.ValueTuple is a nu-get package that facilitates the new tuples in C#; so maybe try including that in your project?
  - cm2187 10y ago
    But how can it be called a new language feature if it's not supported unless I add some external references (and the what's new page doesn't make any reference to a nuget package).
    - louthy 10y ago
      The type is library code, the only part that's a language feature is the grammar. ValueTuple is a type like any other, and the CLR will need it referenced to use it.
      - cm2187 10y ago
        Microsoft seriously needs to rediscover the value of simplicity. I don't need to install some third party library to use tuples in python. Tuples being part of the language means it just works.
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suyash 10y ago
Most of the web dev features they are so excited about already have been in various IDE's (IDEA, Sublime with plugins, Netbeans etc) for couple of years. Some of which are source map, live reload, linter, ES5/6 support etc.
dmarlow 10y ago
What are the dependencies to C# 7? Is it only available on dotnet core and on some future version of full .net?
- Metasyntactic 10y ago
  Hey DMarlow, could you clarify your question? A C# 7.0 program should run on pretty much any version of .Net after 2.0. Similar to C# 2.0-6.0. The only thing we ever really adopted in C# that needed a new runtime version was Generics.
  - dmarlow 10y ago
    So with c# 7 all I need is VS 2017? It'll work with existing .net 4.5.x and 4.6.x projects? I tried tuples and VS complained. Are there instructions to get that working somewhere? In order to compile on a build server do I need an updated toolchain?
    - duncans 10y ago
      Yes. Download "Build Tools for Visual Studio 2017" from https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/ https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/ - then use `C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\2017\BuildTools\MSBuild\15.0\Bin\MSBuild.exe`. For the new Tuple support add a NuGet reference to System.ValueTuple.
    - Metasyntactic 10y ago
      > So with c# 7 all I need is VS 2017? All you really need is the new C# compiler. You can get that with VS2017, or standalone. But the programs produced by this compiler should be runnable on pretty much every runtime out there. > It'll work with existing .net 4.5.x and 4.6.x projects? Definitely. > I tried tuples and VS complained What was the complaint? in order to use Tuples, you need a reference to add the System.ValueTuple NuGet package as that's the type under-the-hood that packages up the tuple values so other people can consume them. This is a nice approach because it means your APIs can use Tuples, while people using C# 6.0 and earlier can still use them. effectively. > In order to compile on a build server do I need an updated toolchain? If you use C# 7.0 features, then use. You always need the appropriate compiler to use the latest language features. But you shouldn't need to really 'upgrade' anything else if you don't want to. (You can, of course, if you do want to).
duncans 10y ago
Finally seems that wildcards in project files are handled correctly by Visual Studio now, i.e. <Compile Include="**\*.cs" /> looking forward saying goodbye to the no.1 source of merge conflicts for us!
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242 points by JacobLinney 10y ago

I am on bazel learning curve and was searching to integrate Bazel build system with visual studio (xamarin) project, apparently Bazel support for windows is still too nascent. I home something comes up on this lines.

jhasse 10y ago

I really hope they add wildcard (e. g. src/*.cpp) support in C++ project files

TillE 10y ago
Does that feature exist in other Visual Studio project types? There's always CMake to help in situations like that.
- zamalek 10y ago
  It does and can most likely be enabled by editing the vcxproj directly. Edit: something along the lines of: <ItemGroup> <Content Include="**\*.h" /> <Content Include="**\*.cpp" /> </ItemGroup> Edit: see response.
  - ebattalio 10y ago
    This is correct, take a look at https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/msbuild/msbuild-items https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/msbuild/msbuil... and child topics on inclusion/exclusion. -eric PM, VC++ team
    - int_19h 10y ago
      While it does work in the builds, the IDE is not supporting this particularly well. As another comment pointed out, changes on the filesystem are not automatically detected. Also, some IDE functionality doesn't work propetly in a project with <ClCompile Include="*.cpp"/> - for example, Add New/Existing Item fails with an error.
  - stinos 10y ago
    That should probably be <ClCompile Include="**\*.cpp" /> at least if you want to get the sources compiled
cobalt 10y ago
It does support it (though, it can use a lot of CPU for some reason)
Pxtl 10y ago
Visual studio already supports this in 2015 and older iirc, at least for C# and SQL projects, but it's an undocumented feature. You have to close and re-open the project if you add/remove a file so it notices that it's different. part of the new project system that grew out of the ill-fated project.json is to make this a first-class experience, but again that's focusing on the .csproj, I have no idea if it applies to C++.
- int_19h 10y ago
  It also works in C++ projects. But it breaks a bunch of IDE stuff, e.g. Add New Item.

vladimirralev 10y ago

So is there a Mac version?

LyalinDotCom 10y ago
It's not GA yet (only Visual Studio 2017 for Windows is GA today) but we have shipped an update so Visual Studio for Mac Preview 4 is now available. Details: https://blog.xamarin.com/better-apps-visual-studio-2017/ https://blog.xamarin.com/better-apps-visual-studio-2017/
- evo_9 10y ago
  So this is full, 100% Visual Studio for Mac (soonish), or is it Xamarin Studio rebranded?
  - LyalinDotCom 10y ago
    Visual Studio for Mac will be our Mac IDE going forward and will grow in features, sure its past is Xamarin Studio but its future will have A LOT of investment so its worth checking out in Preview 4.
    - sigzero 10y ago
      I am pretty excited to see where MS takes this.
    - CyberDildonics 10y ago
      So the answer was no
      - baldfat 10y ago
        > So this is full, 100% Visual Studio for Mac (soonish), or is it Xamarin Studio rebranded? No isn't an answer to that question. > Visual Studio for Mac will be our Mac IDE going forward and will grow in features, sure its past is Xamarin Studio but its future will have A LOT of investment so its worth checking out in Preview 4. Is a good answer to that question.

MichaelApproved 10y ago

It's a live video stream, so you might be watching in the middle. Jump to the 1:10:00 mark to start watching at the beginning of the presentation.

LyalinDotCom 10y ago

Its a great sense of relief to finally ship this product, we really hope folks give it a try and join our live keynote which is streaming now at http://launch.visualstudio.com http://launch.visualstudio.com

erryoiruye 10y ago
Lyalin, the download links seems to be broken? Tried with multiple browsers now, no download is starting :( https://www.visualstudio.com/thank-you-downloading-visual-studio/?sku=Community&rel=15 https://www.visualstudio.com/thank-you-downloading-visual-st...
- argio 10y ago
  Worked after 10 tries or so. Just keep clicking retry
  - LyalinDotCom 10y ago
    hmm very strange ill report it to the team, thank you both
  - erryoiruye 10y ago
    Thanks, got the vs_Community.exe after a bunch of tries.
wmccullough 10y ago
I'm loving it already. I was able to update from RC to RTM within 20 minutes on two machines with no hiccups. I was expecting hours of downtime. This is great stuff!
- tracker1 10y ago
  Definitely sounds much better than <= 2015, where you may as well walk away for a few hours... and hope it doesn't hang for some weird reason.
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petercooper 10y ago

I don't use them very much, but this stream reminds me Microsoft really does a fantastic job of presenting its work in the developer tools space.

LyalinDotCom 10y ago
thank you, we worked very hard on this keynote and the two day agenda. Today after keynote we'll have various interviews with Brian Harry, Miguel de Icaza, Julia Liuson and others. We'll then do various technical demos on top product features. Tomorrow we have a full day of training for both a Web and App development track. Hope folks tune in and all the details are up on http://launch.visualstudio.com http://launch.visualstudio.com

partycoder 10y ago

I've used Visual Studio for many years. Visual Studio 5.0 was very responsive. Visual Studio 2015 is not as responsive. Nowadays it seemes a bit bloated, even after disabling unused plugins and features. Switched to CLion and Rider, which are not known for their speed, but feel more responsible than VS to me. That and a more affordable price and cross-platform support.

tony2016 10y ago
There's so much productivity features in VS there's no excuse to invest in a faster machine. Or add more memory. Memory is cheap.
LyalinDotCom 10y ago
I am sorry we lost you and we're very aware of the need to improve IDE performance and have invested a lot into this release towards that goal. Just one example to read is this blog series when the product was still codenamed VS "15". https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/14/improved-overall-visual-studio-15-responsiveness/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/10/14/imp... (VS "15" is Visual Studio 2017) We also have Visual Studio Code for those who want a lighter code editor, see: http://code.visualstudio.com http://code.visualstudio.com
- partycoder 10y ago
  The perceived performance might not be necessarily only due to Visual Studio itself. Could also have to do with the filesystem in newer versions of Windows (file operations seem slower in modern versions), the shell, background services and other characteristics of the OS.
  - LyalinDotCom 10y ago
    I help launch products here at Microsoft and run developer events (including this launch) but at heart and for 18+ years I'm a developer first, and I can totally relate to what you mean in terms of everything being part of the bigger story that matters. I am very biased so don't listen to me lol, but I do think Windows 10 and the various developer tools release we've done over the last few years have really pushed things forward but of course we are very much listening to our community so please make your voice heard.

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erryoiruye 10y ago

Where did the ISO:s go? Please give us something with a known hash. I attempted to create the offline installer [1] but the vs_community.exe just silently quit after some mintues, having downloaded only some certificates. The custom download idea is easily planted with malware and all those bad things. Also, please consider upgrading from SHA-1. > We understand that a lot of customers want an offline installer for Visual Studio 2017. Even though we don't offer an ISO image, it's easy to create your own. 1: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/install/create-an-offline-installation-of-visual-studio https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/install/create...

LyalinDotCom 10y ago
Due to licensing complexity of today's installer we just can't make the ISO for you but in the link above as you pointed out you can create your own. We're sorry for that but its what we can offer today.
- erryoiruye 10y ago
  Okay, well. Will MSDN subscribers get iso's eventually? It seems also to be broken, or your servers are choked :-(
  - LyalinDotCom 10y ago
    Demand is very high but honestly I'm not 100% aware of MSDN Subscriber ISO status. I will report this comment to that team though
- jasode 10y ago
  Fyi... I just tried the offline download and after 34 minutes, it is hung and won't finish. The command line I used: vs_Enterprise.exe --layout z:\VS2017_RTM --lang en-US last lines of the console: ... Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=823168' succeeded using engine 'WebClient' Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=833503' succeeded using engine 'WebClient' Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=833501' succeeded using engine 'WebClient' Download of 'https://download.microsoft.com/download/B/5/5/B55373E5-8948-41DF-B1D5-F60896104294/WinSdkInstall.ps1' succeeded using engine 'WebClient' Download of 'https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=838828' succeeded using engine 'WebClient' stats of the target directory so far: 2,631 Files, 1,005 Folders total 14,444,652,261 bytes I previously got the offline download to complete with version RC1 in November 2016 but RC2 in Janurary 2017 always hung in the same spot. I didn't pursue RC2 troubleshooting since RTM would be available a month later and I hoped whatever problem with RC2 would be resolved in RTM. Well, it still doesn't work. Please let the MS team know that there's something about the offline download ("--layout" option) that's fragile and prone to hang. I don't believe it's an issue with overloaded servers because when I tried multiple times with RC2, it always hung on the exact same file whether it was morning/night/ weekday/weekend. I suspect the current problem is similar. I took a screenshot of the hung process for RC2 in January and it seems to hang right after downloading WinSdkInstall.ps1 which is similar to RTM behavior: RC2 hung in January: http://imgur.com/a/uwfoj http://imgur.com/a/uwfoj RTM hung in March (today): http://imgur.com/a/QxqC3 http://imgur.com/a/QxqC3

LyalinDotCom 10y ago

Also folks should check out or comprehensive release notes: https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/news/releasenotes/vs2017-relnotes https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/news/releasenotes/vs2017-...

pornel 10y ago
Sadly no mention of any improvements to their C compiler :( The C99 support is still incomplete and it looks like MS has given up on C.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  It is called Visual C++ and hence the focus is on C++. The only C related updates are done to the extent as required by ANSI C++. For anyone else that still wants to write straight C, there are other compilers and Microsoft has integrated clang's frontend with VC++ backend. This has already been communicated in a few places. Cloudfare's crash just proved once more why the world needs less C.
  - xorblurb 10y ago
    Your last sentence is curious because it's highly debatable whether the world needs less C to get more C++ ...
    - pjmlp 10y ago
      C++ provides the tools that C lacks for writing safer code. Of course it doesn't help if people write "C with C++ compiler" and better alternatives are desired, where copy-pasting C code is not possible. Eventually one of the current candidates will won over the roles of C and C++, except for environments married with C, like UNIX derivatives. Until then, when the choice boils down only to C vs C++, there is no question that in regards to language features for writing safer code, C++ is the only possible answer.
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hackcrafter 10y ago

Very cool that their "Mobile Center" SDK has React Native support. [0] This looks very feature competitive with the "AWS Mobile Hub", even going beyond it with its CI app build integration with GitHub and device simulators! Also, although they announced Amazon Pinpoint in December, there is still no support for it in their "beta" React Native Mobile SDK [0] (Which has had no commits in 5 months) [0] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/mobile-center/sdk/getting-started/React-Native https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/mobile-center/sdk/getting-s... [1] https://github.com/awslabs/aws-sdk-react-native https://github.com/awslabs/aws-sdk-react-native

LyalinDotCom 10y ago
We also have a new video on Mobile Center if you're interested, we just released it as part of launch event: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Visual-Studio/Visual-Studio-2017-Launch/T116 https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Visual-Studio/Visual-Studio... (its by the product team)
- hackcrafter 10y ago
  I'm curious if CodePush[0] can be used along side (or integrated into) Mobile Center. That seems like a no-brainer if you are supporting React Native based apps. Also, I didn't see any support for platform native Notification APIs for React Native. The current notification service is for pure-JS / Cordova[1] [0] https://microsoft.github.io/code-push/ https://microsoft.github.io/code-push/ [1] https://azure.github.io/azure-mobile-apps-js-client/ https://azure.github.io/azure-mobile-apps-js-client/
  - axemclion 10y ago
    Yes, CodePush can be used with Mobile Center - here is a demo video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfqZ8Uy2p3U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfqZ8Uy2p3U) CodePush will also be integrated into Mobile Center, so that you can also making CodePush a part of your CI process. We are also working on adding support for Authentication, storage, testing and Push notifications. [I am the PM on CodePush and React Native Mobile Center stuff]

romanovcode 10y ago

I'm super excited about VS2017. But excuse me this launch video (beginning, with Chinese presenter) is super cringe-inducing. Horrible.

LyalinDotCom 10y ago
We're a worldwide company that embraces diversity and benefits hugely for it, so honestly I am disappointed very much with your comment.
- romanovcode 10y ago
  You can do that, but without pushing it down my throat using people who are clearly are not interested in participating in said activities.
  - nathanm412 10y ago
    This announcement wasn't targeted to just you individually. I don't see "Visual Studio 2017 Launch Video for overly sensitive romanovcode" anywhere in the title. Do you not think that the Corporate Vice President of Visual Studio would be a qualified person to be speaking during this event? No one is forcing you to participate in watching this video. The whole industry would do better without people like you. In fact, it is!
    - aanm1988 10y ago
      > Do you not think that the Corporate Vice President of Visual Studio would be a qualified person to be speaking during this event? Public speaking and the ability to give a presentation well don't necessarily follow from that title.
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- MichaelGG 10y ago
  FWIW I took the ethnic descriptor just as a bookmark not as a condemnation of the person. I think they were referring to the scripted father/daughter bits and the "oh wow you were 6 thats great", not anything about the presenters accent or background. Probably not relevant for an HN comment, but also probably not anti diversity.

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n00b101 10y ago

I'm excited to use VS 2017 and generally very pleased with their C++ language support and integrations like git and cmake. It's a minor nitpick, but I must say I was disappointed to see this issue unceremoniously closed: https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-studio-ide/suggestions/5672660-improve-intellisense-tooltip-for-make-shared-make https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-stud...

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sundvor 10y ago
Your comment must have been seen, as it was just reopened and put on backlog. Hi, MS team members! :)
ebattalio 10y ago
It has been reopened. I am curious, did you vote for this item? If so, did you receive an email when we closed it? Thanks! Eric, VC++ Team
- n00b101 10y ago
  Cool! No I had not voted, but did now.
  - ebattalio 10y ago
    :D

mistermann 10y ago

For those who don't know, VS community is feature wise almost identical to professional, less CodeLens, Azure benefits, and TFS features. https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/compare/ https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/compare/

gnud 10y ago
Note that you can't use VS community for your work if your organization has either of 1) more than 5 developers 2) more than $1 mill in revenue 3) more than 250 computers
- gruez 10y ago
  >more than 5 developers *more than 5 developers using visual studio community
  - gnud 10y ago
    Good point, thanks. Still close to useless for professional use, which I guess is Microsofts idea.
    - Raphmedia 10y ago
      Good enough if your company has a small but experienced IT department with a few designers, a bunch of front-end guys on SublimeText and a handful of .NET guys.
    - chrisbennet 10y ago
      Same as Apple - they don't have a free edition of the MacBook Pro. ;-) As a one man shop, I used to buy Visual Studio but now I don't, so I'm thankful for the Community Edition.
- user5994461 10y ago
  What happened to VS express?

douche 10y ago

Someday I hope it finally gets ported to x64 so that it can use more than a tiny fraction of the RAM in my desktop, instead of page thrashing all the time.

xorblurb 10y ago
There seems to be some people in the IDE team who believe that a 32-bits only IDE is a feature and not a bug, including for reasons as fun as because it crashes sooner in case of memory leaks... I guess eventually those people will move to other things and/or the market pressure will be such that we will see a 64-bits IDE. Just don't know exactly when...
- Metasyntactic 10y ago
  Hi Xorblurb :) I'm a dev on the "IDE team" :) We've actually done a huge amount of work investigating and addressing perf issues and working to create an architecture that can scale well. 64bits is not a panacea. And if we had simply moved to that, most people would find that their IDE was using much more ram AND behaving more sluggishly. We decided to invest our energies in work that would actually benefit the vast majority of customers. This led to efforts that we were able to demonstrably measure as producing better experiences for people. If there's a point that 64bit will actually produce better results for people, we'll gladly move to it. Thanks!
  - xorblurb 10y ago
    I'm sure you carefully evaluated the pro and cons and that for now the best option for customers, also maybe given the state of your code (I've got no idea if you have problems in that area or not, but hypothetically this is the kind of thing that could have an impact) and your resources and what you want to do with such resources, is to stick to 32-bits. Because, well, you did stick to 32-bits, and it does not suck (although I've never tried to open extremely huge projects in VS) But I also "know", and you also maybe secretly "know", that you will eventually move to 64-bits :P I completely don't know when, and I would completely understand that neither do you, and I would also understand that there is currently no immediate plan to move. But eventually you just will. Now, ok, I'm not 100% sure about that. But my mind would be overly blown if this does not happen (given I don't have a clue of when, I guess I could have to wait for 20 years to see if my mind is blown or not :P ). I mean come on, even iPhone programs are 64-bits now. (You know what this reminds me of a little bit?: Mozilla not working on a multiprocess architecture as a priority a while ago...)

interdrift 10y ago

VS 2017 is rounding up to be the best 2017 yet released. It's much faster and packed with tons of useful new features. Pretty happy with using it!

interdrift 10y ago
Now only if u would fix the damn XAML editor crashes!
- moogly 10y ago
  Have you checked out Ammy[1]? It's been great to me so far. It does hot code reloading during runtime, so no need for a crummy designer that crashes 30 times every day (the XAML designer isn't 100% WYSIWYG anyway). Plus, IMO, the language is a lot more readable and enjoyable to author in than overly verbose XAML. [1]: http://www.ammyui.com/ http://www.ammyui.com/

jra101 10y ago

What happen to Python support? It was supported in the release candidate.

int_19h 10y ago
Please read this: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/pythonengineering/2017/02/22/python-in-vs2017/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/pythonengineering/2017/02/2... And this: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/pythonengineering/2017/03/07/python-support-in-vs2017/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/pythonengineering/2017/03/0...
- jra101 10y ago
  Perfect, thank you.

snarfy 10y ago

I just want to say thanks to the VS team for all their hard work. VS is by far my favorite MS product.

DashRattlesnake 10y ago

Does anyone know how to unsubscribe from the "Your Visual Studio Subscriptions update for March" spam emails from Microsoft? I think they're super annoying, and have no unsubscribe instructions at all. I just got one announcing this launch.

will_hughes 10y ago
Microsoft emails are absurdly hard to unsubscribe from. I've had to resort to dropping MS domains at our exchange edge to stop receiving them. Their Azure sales team are even worse - I've actually had to shout (repeatedly) at them to stop them from calling me, all because I wanted to try Azure AD as a test. They're on my permanent blacklist now, I won't even consider Azure because of the constant harassment over email and phone.
- greggyb 10y ago
  The answer to any sales calls that won't stop (I found this out by happenstance): "We're a consultancy selling services for these tools/products." or "We're a competitor, and I registered for your free trial for competitive research." In my case, these are true answers, but I never get more than one sales call from anyone. I can't help you on the email front, but it's easy to set up filters for those.

Jare 10y ago

Is it viable for those of us with only a handful of GB free in our C: drives? 2015 and previous would only put a few bits in the "install location", and still pollute the C: drive with up to 20 GB of stuff of hardcoded paths.

yiwang110 10y ago
LOL - typical MS software.
Jare 10y ago
I installed the basic C++ tools (precompiled modules, Win10 and 8.1 SDKs, etc) and it has taken 2.5GB out of my C: drive (hardcoded location for the Windows 10 Kit apparently) plus 2GB on my install location. Then I added NodeJS tools and everything went into the C: drive. If I select Cordova and other Android and mobile stuff it quickly complains that I do not have enough space - which suggests these tools and SDKs are hardcoded to C: as well. I have not investigated in more detail.
- hackinthebochs 10y ago
  Windows junctions to the rescue
  - Jare 10y ago
    I recall from previous versions that attempting to use junctions would seriously screw up the updater. Given the amount of problems I had to completely uninstall vs2015 a while ago, I totally believe it.

cm2187 10y ago

Usually a new version of VS comes with a new version of the .net framework. It doesn't seem to be the case here. I can't see the tuples announced for VB for instance. I am getting an error with Dim p As (x As Integer, y As Integer) saying that I am missing a reference to 'System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TupleElementNamesAttribute' (but if tuples are part of the language why do I need an external reference? and this assembly doesn't seem to exist anyway). In fact right now a simple empty command line program containing nothing more than the below hangs the VS IDE completely... Module Module1 Sub Main() Dim p As (x As Integer, y As Integer) End Sub End Module

louthy 10y ago
I can't comment for VB or the error you're getting, but System.ValueTuple is a nu-get package that facilitates the new tuples in C#; so maybe try including that in your project?
- cm2187 10y ago
  But how can it be called a new language feature if it's not supported unless I add some external references (and the what's new page doesn't make any reference to a nuget package).
  - louthy 10y ago
    The type is library code, the only part that's a language feature is the grammar. ValueTuple is a type like any other, and the CLR will need it referenced to use it.
    - cm2187 10y ago
      Microsoft seriously needs to rediscover the value of simplicity. I don't need to install some third party library to use tuples in python. Tuples being part of the language means it just works.
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suyash 10y ago

Most of the web dev features they are so excited about already have been in various IDE's (IDEA, Sublime with plugins, Netbeans etc) for couple of years. Some of which are source map, live reload, linter, ES5/6 support etc.

dmarlow 10y ago

What are the dependencies to C# 7? Is it only available on dotnet core and on some future version of full .net?

Metasyntactic 10y ago
Hey DMarlow, could you clarify your question? A C# 7.0 program should run on pretty much any version of .Net after 2.0. Similar to C# 2.0-6.0. The only thing we ever really adopted in C# that needed a new runtime version was Generics.
- dmarlow 10y ago
  So with c# 7 all I need is VS 2017? It'll work with existing .net 4.5.x and 4.6.x projects? I tried tuples and VS complained. Are there instructions to get that working somewhere? In order to compile on a build server do I need an updated toolchain?
  - duncans 10y ago
    Yes. Download "Build Tools for Visual Studio 2017" from https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/ https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/ - then use `C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\2017\BuildTools\MSBuild\15.0\Bin\MSBuild.exe`. For the new Tuple support add a NuGet reference to System.ValueTuple.
  - Metasyntactic 10y ago
    > So with c# 7 all I need is VS 2017? All you really need is the new C# compiler. You can get that with VS2017, or standalone. But the programs produced by this compiler should be runnable on pretty much every runtime out there. > It'll work with existing .net 4.5.x and 4.6.x projects? Definitely. > I tried tuples and VS complained What was the complaint? in order to use Tuples, you need a reference to add the System.ValueTuple NuGet package as that's the type under-the-hood that packages up the tuple values so other people can consume them. This is a nice approach because it means your APIs can use Tuples, while people using C# 6.0 and earlier can still use them. effectively. > In order to compile on a build server do I need an updated toolchain? If you use C# 7.0 features, then use. You always need the appropriate compiler to use the latest language features. But you shouldn't need to really 'upgrade' anything else if you don't want to. (You can, of course, if you do want to).

duncans 10y ago

Finally seems that wildcards in project files are handled correctly by Visual Studio now, i.e. <Compile Include="**\*.cs" /> looking forward saying goodbye to the no.1 source of merge conflicts for us!

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